WingMakers Transformation

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

Let's put the part of the interview in question

First, I put that Neruda says that the Wingmakes want the New World Order, I didn't say Neruda want NWO.

Second, if all the people in the world is perfect a global order will work, otherwise NOT, it just make a world incapable of oposing a global totalitarian state.

Hi Ashatav and TWSUF,

First: Nowhere in the WMM will you read that the WingMakers want the NWO. First realize that this was your deduction (that seemed to make sense to you at the time) from what you read. What the WingMakers want is a global culture, which is vastly different from what you presumably are thinking of with respect to the NWO. I have hopefully clarified this below.

Second: Even in the distant future all the people of the world will not be perfect. Perfect, or perfection, is something we ever evolve towards, not something we ever are; this goes for the greatest of masters too. I realize perfection is all in the perception, and that you probably mean relatively perfect, in as much as all people will have overcome -- to all intents and purposes -- their lower nature. Joseph Campbell best covers this when he discusses how there are basically two schools of philosophy/mythology:
1. Everything is imperfect. Not even Source is perfect because it is evolving on and created us to be instruments to help in that regard, so how can it then even be perfect. If it were perfect it would not need to further evolve; and 2. All is perfect. Source has everything programmed to eventually return to Its unity and perfection and everything on the way no matter how "awry" is all in its own way a perfect expression towards that becoming. Basically people with a hard life full of trials tend to side with the former and those with an "easy" life the latter.

As Neruda states, the people of the USA, and indeed the world, will never accept a global totalitarian regime. Even if they did history reveals that every totalitarian regime eventually decays, rots, or falls apart; they simply lack the dynamism of self-modification and creative sustainability. So even if the NWO that so many are fearful of coming to power were to do so it would not and could not last. But on to the specifics of your questions they are of such general interest to so many...

Sarah: "I also read the memo that Dr. Sauthers [a colleague of Dr. Neruda] wrote about a global culture being an outcome of this technology from the WingMakers' sites. But how could these objects be used to build a global culture? It seems a little naive to me."

Dr. Neruda: "All I can tell you is that it's related to the Internet and a new communication technology that the WingMakers referred to as OLIN or the One Language Intelligent Network. If you read the glossary section that I left behind, you'll see it referenced there. The WingMakers seem to feel confident that the OLIN technology will help create the global culture through the Internet. This incidentally is consistent with prophecies that the Labyrinth Group was privy to dating as far back as 1,500 years ago. Of course the enabling technology wasn't called OLIN, but the notion of a global culture and unified governance has been predicted for many centuries."

You can see here that the global culture the WingMakers are talking of is OLIN technology and it is fundamentally Internet based. They are not talking of politics, economics or power here, though we will get to that momentarily. The WingMakers arrived on the scene 3 years after the Net in 1995. One reason is because the net is the platform for OLIN and the global culture. OLIN will be in development for the next 700 years, by which time we will likely have something equivalent to the LERM experience available online. (For more on LERM and on this whole issue of the NWO see Neruda interview 4 at http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda4ex.html). This will be a culture that via the Net will be virtually -- as far as that is possible -- wired to Source online and, of course, it will be global, or worldwide, as is the WWW already.

We are in the infantile stages of this now. And as with any infantile steps there will be falls and crashes along the way and the process needs to be watched carefully to ensure things don't get too dangerous; but the end result is assured: we will eventually become an enlightened planet with a magnificent future. As this whole process begins to take root and transform our planet, as it is already, there will be the need for global uniformity. Right now this is minimal, but the Net will increasingly become an economic center too as more and more economics and personal finance takes place online.

I have some minimal involvement with a couple of companies here in Japan that will kick start this economic presence next summer as people in Japan and from around the world will be entering some real Japanese downtown department stores, businesses and shops (though not all) in 3D online and conduct their business and shopping there in 3D. It is, as I and these companies see it, the beginning of real world economies going online. The Net is evolving into 3D and the real 3D world is going online. NTT, Japan's equivalent of Telecom or AT&T, will also be putting literally 10s of thousands of its workers out of their real 3D offices and having them work from home in 3D online via avatars sometime next year. This technology and infrastructure is now in place here. This movement or change will likely IMO grow exponentially from next summer when it opens here in Japan.

Sarah: "[COLOR="Red"]This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it? [/COLOR]

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."

Remember this is in 1997. Sarah is not referring to the fear-instilling NWO of Net pop culture. Sarah knows virtually nothing about all of that. A bit later in the interview she says she read up on the Illuminati (after this session) apparently for the first time. Sarah is saying all that she knows about the NWO, which is that George Bush gave oblique mention to it in the press once or twice. She has no idea of what GWB's idea of the NWO is. Neruda confirms this oblique reference by stating that 4 other presidents have mentioned it too. Those other 4 presidents have different, though unstated in public, views concerning the NWO and their and GWB's role within it. Leaving any of the the presidents' own egomaniac delusions of power out of it (for they are obviously only held by that individual and the few believing in him) they are basically looking at a new kind of world governance which is primarily political and economic as distinct from the WingMakers' world culture. The latter will require some form of loose governance to ensure stability and especially individual personal and financial security and safety.

You see, the Net is basically empowering the individual, not the super powerful. The Incunabular didn't envision the Net; it threw them sideways; and IMO will continue to do so.

It's difficult finding someone now who doesn't know about the Illuminati and the NWO, and this is largely due to the presence of the Net and its ubiquity in our lives. There is even a wrestling team out there called the NWO -- or have they already passed into history?

The Net serves the individual not the powers that be (ptb). This trend will continue. The businesses that will stream into the 3D Net will be after the individual and will offer the individual all they can, because that's what makes successful businesses. The power is already with the individual and anyone associated with the Net on a practical basis is realizing this more each passing day. The reason is, there are 8 billion of us.

In another one of James's online papers (at Lyricus.org) it says that as the planetary frequency changes the Tribes of Light just leave behind the animus (not just the negative ETs but all those who are seduced by the aphrodisiac of power) who cannot function to their optimum in the new octave. It will favor those who are not so seduced, and whom traverse the change. I look upon the NWO as the economic dinosaurs about to go extinct as the neo-Cambrian Age of mankind gets under way.

Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime."

Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

Sarah: "And as you said last night, this is supposed to occur in 2018?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to prophecy, that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerful, centralized authority, but rather a global public policy decision and enforcement organization for issues that effect the world at large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, terrorism, trade, commerce, OLIN technology upgrades, and general technology transfer programs."

I don't see the problem here it seems pretty self-explanatory to me. This is clearly not the NWO of conspiracy posts. The UN has many mansions within its makeup. Many of these are NGOs that almost anyone can set up. There is no one person controlling everything going on in all of the UN and its associated bodies. The areas in green above that Neruda mentions are areas that the UN is likely to have dealings with and work towards if not bring about global agreements, and this will indeed be, if it is not already, necessary for the peaceful evolution of the global community. Otherwise everyone will be at each others throats clamoring for this and that.

Sarah: "So what will happen to National sovereignty in this new role of the United Nations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm willing to answer your question in the form of a speculative response, but I'm also aware that you had asked me at the outset of this interview to remind you if you got off course. What would you like --"

I could give a speculative response too but see no real need to. I also have to go out. It is obvious from Neruda's response that there is not an easy, cut and dried answer to this. So we can deduce national sovereignty will not just disappear, neither will it be maintained exactly as it is now. What will happen to it is essentially up to us. There are reasons for concern and Neruda expresses this too. Things could go awry, as they always can when change is instigated, and this is a one big change. Let's look at an analogy:

In the bible it talks in one of its revelatory chapters of a woman travailing in birth. This is our earth at this time. She travails in the birth pains of bringing forth a new life form, a new earth. Just as in any pregnancy there are dangers; there are things to watch for; things can go wrong, even drastically so. But it is important to keep ones eye on the major event. The child will be born. It is a glorious time. A time when heads must be kept cool, if only because the mother to be cannot keep cool. We need to watch to see all is as it should be. Should the baby turn and start to be born incorrectly actions need to be taken to prevent that; but it is essential that we the midwives of the earth now being born keep our perspective so we can properly guide this process to fulfillment and the best possible outcome.

On a personal note, being British by birth I am somewhat aghast at what has happened in Europe and the complete lose of representation let alone say anyone in England has over the governance of themselves as a part of Europe; but IMO this is a bureaucracy so totalitarian and inefficient that it is clearly living on borrowed time. I expect it to dissolve or decay into an ineffectual organization that will soon pass on the world stage. I am not in a position to do anything about the bureaucracy myself as I have no vote and have only even visited England for two weeks in the last 30 years. But as I see the most likely result the dissolution of the EU I'm not overly worried about its absurd bureaucracy. It also seems somewhat distant to me as I have no plans to return to that part of the world.

All rotten fruit eventually falls. It is usually best just not to touch it. I handle the ripe and healthy fruit wherever it may be in the global environment we are inheriting.

I will attempt to address other posts when I can. There some comments I could give for some of them, but I must go for now.

Chris