WingMakers Transformation

[NancyV]

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

The Wingmakers material resonated very deeply with me as does Lyricus and I meditate at the event temples a few times daily.

I do not see myself writing a paper like you did, I did purchase yours by the way chamber 17, it was excellent, very well done and informative. It enabled me to view the painting in an entirely new way. Thank you.

How can one continue to evolve with the materials without doing an in depth paper?

In the first discourse, it said we are not able to have transformative experiences in our human instrument.

Teacher: Haven't I just told you you cannot experience this state in the human instrument?
From Lyricus First discourse

So if we are not able to have them, how can we/you have the kundalini experience you spoke of?
I have been working on attaining this state for years, not to have it like a prize rather as a consequence from all the work I do on my shadow aspects, letting go all that is not me, or my pure state, to transcend my ego, but now I am confused hearing this.

I know it is not something we earn or work for it sort of just happens. It should also not be the focus of ones spiritual practice, But why does Lyricus state that it is impossible?

Also, I have a feeling that James is Dr Neruda. Have you ever felt that too? I hope to hear from you soon.
Love & Light

Saying that "you cannot experience this state in the human instrument" may not be contradictory, just confusing. I take it to mean that you must leave your body to experience "higher" states and perhaps your body must "die" in order to have access to the ultimate state of being, if there actually is one.

Yes, you can experience some very ecstatic kundalini openings, you can develop all kinds of powers while within the body. You are able to merge with the earth, see and feel trees grow and communicate, see other dimensions and beings while in this state of increased vibrational frequencies. But when you leave your body it's a whole different level of experiences.

The Teacher also goes on to say that even then it is not the full experience, because we are still attached to our body. He also speaks of losing your ability to live in the world if you pursue these experiences excessively.

I can definitely relate to that and have had at least two of the different levels of experiences, and perhaps 3.

First I left my body to travel on other planes/dimensions for about 7 years, at least once a week and sometimes much more often. I found that it was more and more difficult to live in the world and relate to the normal human activities.

Next I stopped leaving my body and began experiencing the kundalini, which actually was like being on fire for many months at a time. I had times of merging with the earth, saw different beings and dimensions (all while totally awake with eyes open), developed some telepathic abilities and other various sensory enhancements. It was EXTREMELY sensual and ALSO made daily life somewhat uncomfortable most of the time, although it was fantastic I must admit! I was prone to bursting out in laughter at any time, which could be somewhat inappropriate! LOL... But it was fun.

The third and somewhat different experience I had was a death experience when I "died" from loss of blood in childbirth. This time I went to a completely different place which seemed to be one of a lot less ego and separation than the dimensions/planes I traveled to when out of body. I was supposedly gone for 20 minutes or so. Was I really dead? Who knows. But the experience was very different than my normal out of body travels. The beings I was with seemed to have very little in the way of agendas, although they DID kick me out to come back here after telling me it was not yet my time to stay! That certainly seems like an agenda or part of a plan.

When consciously travelling out of body all beings I encountered had ego and agendas. Yes, they often were highly benevolent and loving beings, or at least seemed to be so, but there was still a "play" going on. Even when merging with other beings and becoming more of myself, I was just a more powerful and fulfilled "player".

I will be excited to find out what happens after permanently leaving upon the death of my body! I'm in no hurry to "die" but I also have no fear of the death of the physical body. It truly is like a small prison in many ways, even if you can travel out of body. I'm still not sure why I'm here and have no clue about anyone else. Of course I've entertained all the different theories, studied religions, philosophy, spirituality, etc. At times I have believed certain teachers, but no longer. I respect their views but at this point I have concluded that they may also not really know any more than I, and certainly they have no more ability to access higher states than any one else.

Nancy