WingMakers Transformation

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Thanks Enman

This is why I kept having this niggling feeling that becoming global is not the enemy it is being purported to be. Thank you so much for posting that.

I have the First Source CD and where I got the interviews it only had three, is the 4th on the website?

Nancy- yes I can understand being out of body may be how the teacher is presenting that concept. Thank you for that.

In my own transformation I don't put much emphasis on experiencing anything as I am unattached from expectations. I have experienced many dimensions during my NDE and had the gift of experiencing a powerful energetic force within and why I was confused when it said the human instrument cannot experience this.
I continue working on myself to discard all that is not me through physical experiences and have learned much from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and through archetypal discovery of shadow aspects.

I too became my own teacher years ago as I knew I went as far as I could go with a teacher and the rest was on my own. I take information from those teachers that bring me back to my Self.

Gnosis I can totally relate and get my lessons daily from all the people in my lives who are a mirror in teaching me about myself!

Im sorry this is so rushed, I am going to the movies with my son to see The Changeling.

Much Love to all and thank you for such an enlightening conversation!

[Emman]

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

Thanks Enman

This is why I kept having this niggling feeling that becoming global is not the enemy it is being purported to be. Thank you so much for posting that.

I have the First Source CD and where I got the interviews it only had three, is the 4th on the website?

Nancy- yes I can understand being out of body may be how the teacher is presenting that concept. Thank you for that.

In my own transformation I don't put much emphasis on experiencing anything as I am unattached from expectations. I have experienced many dimensions during my NDE and had the gift of experiencing a powerful energetic force within and why I was confused when it said the human instrument cannot experience this.
I continue working on myself to discard all that is not me through physical experiences and have learned much from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and through archetypal discovery of shadow aspects.

I too became my own teacher years ago as I knew I went as far as I could go with a teacher and the rest was on my own. I take information from those teachers that bring me back to my Self.

Gnosis I can totally relate and get my lessons daily from all the people in my lives who are a mirror in teaching me about myself!

Im sorry this is so rushed, I am going to the movies with my son to see The Changeling.

Much Love to all and thank you for such an enlightening conversation!

Hi Truth,

Yes, the 4th interview is on the website. That 4th interview goes in depth about the PowersThatBe and what to expect in the next several years. That is now, since that interview was dated in 1997. It is very prescient to what is happening now. Neruda explains how the economy is going to fall. He nails it. It's what's going on now! I think that the last statement Neruda makes in the 4th and last interview is something to ponder:

“If you, the reader, wonder how the information I’ve presented about the Incunabula relates to all of the various conspiracy theories about the New World Order, intelligence community, Illuminati, Freemasonry, and all the other supposed clandestine organizations of the world, I would respectfully ask you to suspend your prior notions about the motivations of these various groups.


The thing about this viewpoint is that it is not in alignment with the voices of Jeff Rense, David Icke, Dr. Deagle, and the chorus of voices on Camelot and elsewhere that assumes that there is nothing but evil in the PTB's motives. It's a given that we've come to the conclusion that the illuminati, NWO, and their ilk are a bunch of Lucerferians/Satanists that want to reduce the human population 90 percent, destroying the Earth, and ultimately controling the remaining survivors. Neruda seems to be saying that not is all what it seems. Maybe the villains of our world are not as black and white as we believe them to be. I'm starting to feel that what I've invested myself in emotionally from the standpoint of certainty may not be so certain after all.

Neruda's sympathetic rendering of the core 5 of the Incunabula does throw me for a loop. But, as I reread his interview, he does not talk in absolutes. There are levels within these organizations that are populated with people with self-serving and evil motives. But, he believes that the top 5 of the Incunabula are enlightened and are really looking out for the highest good of humanity. I can't simply take his word on that. But, I may be able to suspend my prior notions about what I think globalization is.

Neruda ends the interview:

"And to those who prefer to strike out on their own path and believe that globalism is pure folly, I can only explain to you that it must happen. It is the outward expression of who we are and it is the natural progression of our species to unify around the inner essence of our identity, instead of the outer façade of our particular nation or religious belief.


“I believe everyone understands this to varying degrees, but it is the methods of this unification that concern people. And I share this concern. If we’re collectively informed about the plan and understand the end-goal is something that holds a great promise for humanity, we can pursue this goal with greater velocity and with added confidence that the methods will be in everyone’s best interest. This must be our goal.


“And finally, many of you may feel that globalization is a concept of the New World Order and therefore dismiss it as a movement borne out of greed and the lust for power. Yes, there are always those who will take advantage of this movement to achieve personal gain, but the reason to become a unified people on this earth is far greater than the personal gains of a few. Remember this as you read your conspiracy stories."

[Ashatav]

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I think it is wise advice to research everything and realize everyone has an agenda. Once an agenda is formulated and established, such as an Alex Jones or David Ick it is much more difficult for them to turn around and change their minds especially when their reputation and lively hood is attached to it.

This globalization will happen you can see it everywhere and why the world is going through economic upheaval. There are those that will fight it tooth and nail, but I do not think that guns and fear and anger are the answer, that to me is of the old paradigm.

We can pioneer this new frontier by co-creating it and making sure those in government are adhering to constitutional freedom especially now as Truth is bubbling up to the surface and people are more aware of what is going on and the consequence of having blind faith in our leaders, we can demand full disclosure in their plans.

I also think the Olin technology sounds fascinating. The internet has brought the world together, I can only imagine how Olin will continue to enhance that.

Again everything in life can be used for either positive or negative means.
There will always be both in the world because we live in third dimension of duality until their is a major shift to 5th dimension.

My last point is that I believe people experience their lives according to their individual perception which comes from whatever level of consciousness they are at. If they are of victim mentality, not only will they tend to be victimized more but see victimization everywhere. I believe we attract that which we need to work on karmically as well as where we operate from such as survival/fear or love. This is a simplistic example as their are many layers to a human being.

I will continue to read the information on the Wingmakers site and thanks again to everyone for their very insightful input.

The movie The Changeling was awesome! Angelina Jolie is amazing as always. I think this is one of my favorite roles that she has done.

Love & Light to all.

[Gnosis5]

There are "good" and "evil" beings much higher than the ill-illumined. Ashatav, in all your many lifetimes you cannot say that you were always good. Besides, after you have bought into more experiences you will get to the point where the concept of good and evil is only a subset of something much more varied.

The ill-illumined may be dramatizing evil, and you are also dramatizing their evil, but when you finally get to the source of good and evil they disappear. Please ponder how that could be. I just came out of a session today that covered one of the earliest beginnings that reflects our condition today.

But if you need to let off steam we're here for you

best,
gnosis

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

Thoughts are energy. Feeding energy to the reality of conspiracy perpetuates it. Starve it of this energy and it shall pass. There are many feeding energy to the reality that "they" are out to get us. In my reality "they" are just souls who have forgotten who they are. As such "they" use their creative powers in an attempt to manifest who they think they are. This is not in harmony with oneness and serves no higher purpose. Thus it will pass.

The sooner we stop giving power to this false reality, the sooner we can evolve to the next stage. A reality where there are no secrets.

Just my point of view. Hope it persuades those who read it to start thinking in terms of unity instead of division.

[becky]

When all of your interests in life come together within your work for the public, others, or the world, whatever it is, the transformation will be at your door; but you won't be aware of it because you'll be having such a wonderful time. So don't worry about it. Maybe yours will come at the Event Temples or somewhere else where you find yourself one day unknowingly totally fulfilling yourself because you are so absorbed in what you are doing for everyone.

A pleasure to talk with you TWSUF.

Chris




Wow Chris, you are such a gift to this forum and in my life right now. Thank you for all the work you have done on yourself--for us. I just took this above quote and put it on my wall. I find it to be profound.
Heaps of LOVE,
Becky

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

Hi again Ashatav,

With all due respect to Dr Deagle there is IMO no one being at the head of the Illuminati. Dr Deagle is somewhat influenced by his religious upbringing, as are so many others. This early training in the formative years can be extraordinarily difficult to eradicate from ones thinking on all levels, which makes it very difficult to engage in clear thinking with no preconceived ideas; and even more difficult for the development and usage of "uncontaminated" fluid intelligence. In my own experience it took more than all my 10 years exposure to such early religious conditioning to fully overcome it. Just when you think you're over it you can notice a concept rising from a psychological box or drawer hidden way down somewhere that has never been brought into the open for full re-examination in the light and truth of day.

There were IMO certain people/beings definitely influencing the Illuminati. And these were likely the Giza intelligences described by Meier and the Plejaren that also influenced Hitler and so many other worldly leaders and groups. These beings were removed from this planet in the latter part of the twentieth century and now, being in exile on a distant planet with no technology, can exert no influence whatsoever on the earth.

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

[eaglespirit]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

Here! Here! Chris, Thank You!

We ARE coming together as never before around the world!
And let me add that this is simply "Oneness" taking hold and it does not have to be misconstrued as 'global' or 'new world'(government/controllers/nwo terms) ...because it is simply a spiritual awakening taking hold through each individual's decisions from the heart to help themselves and those right in front of them see the "clarity" of Oneness on Mother Earth by deciding to live that Oneness right in front them.

You, Me, Us...changing the world to Oneness one beautiful and loving and selfless act at a time right in front of Us! : ) : ) : )

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

Hi again Ashatav,

With all due respect to Dr Deagle there is IMO no one being at the head of the Illuminati. Dr Deagle is somewhat influenced by his religious upbringing, as are so many others. This early training in the formative years can be extraordinarily difficult to eradicate from ones thinking on all levels, which makes it very difficult to engage in clear thinking with no preconceived ideas; and even more difficult for the development and usage of "uncontaminated" fluid intelligence. In my own experience it took more than all my 10 years exposure to such early religious conditioning to fully overcome it. Just when you think you're over it you can notice a concept rising from a psychological box or drawer hidden way down somewhere that has never been brought into the open for full re-examination in the light and truth of day.

There were IMO certain people/beings definitely influencing the Illuminati. And these were likely the Giza intelligences described by Meier and the Plejaren that also influenced Hitler and so many other worldly leaders and groups. These beings were removed from this planet in the latter part of the twentieth century and now, being in exile on a distant planet with no technology, can exert no influence whatsoever on the earth.

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

Dr deagle isn't religious, see it in the camelot interview.

The same plejadian that says that the earth must have at max 500 millions of persons just like the controllers of the illuminati? That "beings" tell billi meyer that the illuminati is a dinosaur institution? Who say that?

Some proof that the illuminati are dead please.

Cheerzo

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

Dr deagle isn't religious, see it in the camelot interview.

Hi Ashatav,

If you listen to the interview you hear he uses religious words that carry definite religious meanings, irrespective of whether or not he has a religion.

The same plejadian that says that the earth must have at max 500 millions of persons just like the controllers of the illuminati?

Yes; but the Plejaren say mankind must do this voluntarily in only humane ways of just reducing the number of births until that number is attained, because beyond that number the world enters into a non ecological condition of consuming more than the planet produces, and this eventually leads to disaster if the population continues increasing as ours is, with the exception of China, Japan, and perhaps a few others who are experiencing population reductions right now. There should according to them be no unnatural ways of reducing the population.

I assume the the NWO you talk of has plans to reduce the world to that number in completely inhumane and evil ways against the laws of the universe, assuming that version of them is correct. There is no comparing these two methodologies; they are poles apart.

That "beings" tell billi meyer that the illuminati is a dinosaur institution? Who say that?

I'm sorry Ashatav, I'm just not sure what it is you are trying to say here. My post makes it quite clear that the idea of the Illuminati being like a dinosaur heading for extinction is IMO (in my opinion) and that is all. It's just my opinion.

Some proof that the illuminati are dead please.Cheerzo

No one here has said the Illuminati is dead.

This is going off topic. Let's stick with the topic of this thread which is the WingMakers Transformation. I realize I have gone off topic too in answering some questions here, so this comment is aimed at myself as much as anyone else. This is not a thread for all my ideas or opinions (or all anyone else's), but for people to share their experiences of transformation with the WingMakers material and to discuss same.

Thank you,

Chris