Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?

there is no war. you will have a war only if you want to have one on purpose.

[Gnosis5]

How true. After eons of lifetimes I finally let go of a war I had created with a couple of beings. You should see the change in them -- all for the better. We all know now there is no more revenge to be gotten. Game over.

Why didn't I do this eons ago?

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

there is no war. you will have a war only if you want to have one on purpose.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

there is no war. you will have a war only if you want to have one on purpose.

I see what you mean. I would just add....

War has been declared against every soul on earth. The false hierarchy works in countless ways to prevent each soul from finding the presence and inspiration of inner-spirit.

They do this by appealing to the lower-ego of every person, group and nation. They have found success in this old war because most people are blind to the 'enemy within' (which is mainly subconscious and ) which is warring against the spirit for the soul's attention.

The focus of a soul's attention will determine where it's spiritual energy flows. It will attune to the Arc of spirit or it will reinforce the ego. Spiritual attunement is not just a positive mentality but is a deeper attunement of soul that enlightens it to spiritual 'being'.

When inner-attunement is made it guides us to fulfill our personal spiritual path. That inner realisation makes it possible to identify the forces of 'anti-being' (within and without) which have blinded the soul and which must be identified if they're to be transcended.

'Seeing' is seeing everything as it is. "Without vision the people perish"

[NancyV]

Sure there is a spiritual war going on here. Everything IS "spiritual" or spirit. When one vibrational frequency of spirit conflicts with another, you have a "war" or conflict.

There are different degrees of conflict. Some are a lot more malicious than others and have active malevolent intentions. Some are merely chaotic and ignorant while others are enjoying the stimulus of debate and attempting to reach some kind of understanding and/or agreement.

The Internet is a very powerful tool. Just like any other tool it can be used for positive or negative, but it IS influential. These are not merely words on a computer screen. They carry tremendous energies. One can even develop their extra sensory perceptions through communications on the Internet. It is a tool of focus, somewhat similar to tools like crystals, tarot, oija boards, pendulums, meditation, prayer etc. The results you get depend upon several factors, including but not limited to: Your intentions, your level of awareness and discernment, your ability to shield or ignore energies you consider to be counter-productive, the strength of your ego and the power of your will.

Many who are content in their knowledge and wisdom will not attempt to argue with others and do not care to share their knowledge often. They may know that each of us must find our own truths in order for that knowledge to have real meaning. You can only "follow" or seek for so long until you realize that there is no one to follow and nothing to search for.

In the meantime, here on the earthplane we all like to have fun in our own ways. So we are having fun on this forum. The battle goes on and will truly never end until and unless each of us, individually, reaches a place of oneness.

Nancy

[Kulapops]

Nice idea for a thread Burgundia. Thanks.

I'd never joined a forum before Avalon, so other experience at forums is non-existent. Could there be a spiritual war going on on all forums or just this one? That would make avalon special, different. My feeling is that it's not that special or different. I did in the beginning, but we're all growing up, hey?

From my own experience, I've started to wonder about the whole 'posting' business. Certainly posting for posting's sake. If there's a war on, I'm asking myself if that war is with my own ego.

I mean, why am I posting now? Does this make me feel better? Does it help anyone? How much is the post for my own benefit and how much is it for the benefit of others?

Originally, it seemed Avalon was spawned as a direct reaction to what seemed to be the possibility of imminent breakdown of social order. For people to get in contact with likeminded people and form communities. As the breakdown is a no show at present (even though we can all see that it's likely headed that way in the mid to long term), so it would seem are the communities (am I speaking out of turn here? ).

It would be an interesting poll to see just how many groups have been created and are currently meeting up on a regular basis. Any ideas?

From my own meagre efforts on the Devon and Cornwall thread I managed to meet two people. From the whole of Devon and Cornwall. As far as I know, no one else met anyone else (not that was posted anyway).

My point? Avalon has become a discussion group. the topics seem to be more about belief in various scenarios then they seem to be about ground crews.

So there's your spiritual war, people going on line to have a difference of opinion, because the root founding reason for avalon is not happening. If it was, there would be more unity of purpose, in my view.

It seems to me most people are prepared to take action when their lives are in immediate danger, and if not, then they'd rather argue about the price of fish.

Something spiritual is going on though, there is an awakening, and my feeling is that that will overtake the original fear and need for avalon. Setting up avalon was the right step, and I am very grateful to Bill and Kerry for that. But things are quickening and what was necessary even three months ago , may not be relevant today.

The spiritual war is within ourselves and how we relate to others. But if I feel I'm a good person, why would I want to prove that on a forum (that's just ego), or why would I point it out to someone else that they are not behaving ethically. It seems a limitation of the forum communication. A real spiritual war to me is if I am placed in an ethical/spiritual dilemma. I think that is more likely in the 'real' world than online. But that's not to say it could not happen here too, I think it depends on the thread.

there... why did I make you sift through all that ?! Oops... ego again probably...thanks for the thread, a great question, and made me think.

Peace n love

K

[symbolon]

It's a war alright...but this one is driven by ego, lack of understanding and also a lack of eloquence which hurt quite a number of members.

[macleodmunro]

A war exists between good and evil everywhere in the world.
Whether it is in our own minds or on a global scale.

This forum is no exception.

Peace from Paul

[Circlewerk]

The war is in each of us.
"In order to stop war, you can't hate it."
Hate is war in and of itself.
If you have any at all, you are at war, with you.

When you battle others, you are battling yourself. Beliefs, perspectives, conceptual ideas, are anchors for sanity in a chaotic world. Expression leads to exploration and confrontation leads to more learning. Growth from within reaches out. Then you take in what evolves another perspective.

Peace,
Suriel

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Suriel

When you battle others, you are battling yourself. Beliefs, perspectives, conceptual ideas, are anchors for sanity in a chaotic world. Expression leads to exploration and confrontation leads to more learning. Growth from within reaches out. Then you take in what evolves another perspective.

Peace,
Suriel

Happy Thanksgiving!

What if you are not battling others, but rather a force?

I believe that we can defeat hatred using love. Call me naive, but in the end, I have no fear.

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

What if you are not battling others, but rather a force?

I believe that we can defeat hatred using love. Call me naive, but in the end, I have no fear.

What is that force?
And is battling it the same as being a rock, trying to battle a river, by throwing itself into it?

I used to agree totally, Janitor, I used to think that all it took was love. I do adore me some good love..

However, I am finding that once I label something, be it love or hate, I have given power to not only that thing, but also it's opposite.
They exist on the same stick, although polar ends of it, making it unclear as to which is which or if they are even different outside of their man made names.

What if, we observe life unconditionally, with no emotional attachment such as love or hate..what then?
What if, we are that force that we battle, by labeling and thinking everything is or must be known?
What if, in an objective, neutral place, we realize we are the force and that surrendering to it, is all that is necessary to harmonize?

The mind wants to compete, to challenge, the mind wants to identify & think that it knows, the mind thinks in terms of becoming, as if now isn't enough..

What if the real beauty of oneness, beyond the egos, beyond time, is in the humility of uncertainty?

War is desire. War is fear. War is insecurity and shame and belief.

And they are all illusions that house the man in his mind, away from his highest vibration, that river that flows regardless of the rocks, without consequence.

What we know of love, probably pales in comparison to it's enormous, unfixed truth.
Can we be okay emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, where the unknown is what is?
I have a feeling there is no war there.

Peace~
CW

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

What is that force?
And is battling it the same as being a rock, trying to battle a river, by throwing itself into it?

I used to agree totally, Janitor, I used to think that all it took was love. I do adore me some good love..

However, I am finding that once I label something, be it love or hate, I have given power to not only that thing, but also it's opposite.
They exist on the same stick, although polar ends of it, making it unclear as to which is which or if they are even different outside of their man made names.

What if, we observe life unconditionally, with no emotional attachment such as love or hate..what then?
What if, we are that force that we battle, by labeling and thinking everything is or must be known?
What if, in an objective, neutral place, we realize we are the force and that surrendering to it, is all that is necessary to harmonize?

The mind wants to compete, to challenge, the mind wants to identify & think that it knows, the mind thinks in terms of becoming, as if now isn't enough..

What if the real beauty of oneness, beyond the egos, beyond time, is in the humility of uncertainty?

War is desire. War is fear. War is insecurity and shame and belief.

And they are all illusions that house the man in his mind, away from his highest vibration, that river that flows regardless of the rocks, without consequence.

What we know of love, probably pales in comparison to it's enormous, unfixed truth.
Can we be okay emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, where the unknown is what is?
I have a feeling there is no war there.

Peace~
CW

Thanks. You blew my mind with this response.

Perhaps I have been looking at this the wrong way.

[Myplanet2]

blown mind? check the fuses.

But seriously, epic answer, Circlework. nothing to add to that.

[Frank Samuel]

Anyone ever heard of the elders. Desmond Tutu is the heart of this foundation. What it takes to make peace is love compassion and forgiveness. We as parents know all too well that children often deviate and commit mistakes but you don't stop loving your chidren because they have commited horrendous mistakes, in whatever manner shape or form. The heart of a parent loves unconditionally. This wisdom was shown by Mandela and Tutu in dealing with the oppresors in SA. No one in the history of mankind had done this before. Paraphrasing Tutu," humans are good in getting into trouble by the same token they are always looking for solutions to getting themselves out of the messes they create." He use apartheid as the prime example. http://theelders.org/

[Dusty Nothing]

The spiritual war has existed for a very long time, but I don't think you can compare that to the few problems here on avalon, I for one don't have any problems with it, I believe most people on this forum are good people who are on their own spiritual journey, their radical attitudes way seem harsh to those who may have a more enlightened perspective, But looking back I remember a time when I may have been considered by some to be a fear mongerer, all of this information may be totally new and exiting to some and the way they react to it can sometimes be a shock to their system. Be patient with those who still act by their egos, for we all do from time to time.

[dayzero]

Some great posts here.

I think the 'war' or 'conflict' ['words', eh!] is not so much within 'Avalon' the
structure/org or the sometimes mean and riling posts, but between 'us' and the forces who are trying to disrupt what we represent.

I think it is to be expected If what we are involved in is real.
Which it is.

It works for a bit [the disruption], but then we start working
around it, and so on and so on.

We are flexible, 'they' are not.

This place has been [and will continue to be]
a Crucible for many great new things that will
go off and have multiplications and bifurcations of their own.

Pebble, Pond, Ripple.......................Wave.......

And for this, I want to massively thank ALL involved in the conception
and running of this place, and this whole idea.

Welcome to the winning side!


A brilliant poem If I may;
__________________________________________________ _________

INVICTUS


Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.



* by William Ernest Henley (1849-1903) ,
\_______________________________________

Peace be upon you all.

[msv]

The battle that I see happening is that the "elders" are stepping up to the plate to take back their long lost authority and planetary guidance after generations of damage by younger souls whose need for power, dominance, greed, division, etc have left a wasteland physically, mentally and spiritually in desparate need of restoration. Young souls aren't happy about it ...good! It has been so painful to sit back for over 50 years and watch all this happening and be powerless to do anything about it. I though the Cuban crisis was the doorway to restoring balance, then the hippies and after that it felt all was lost, but here we are on the threashold of that restoration of balance and authority back where it should be with the sto "elders".

Love is indeed a powerful force but it will not neutralise the threat of all other forces. A force can be transformed if it cooperates. Some forces need to be dissapated. Food for thought.

[Frank Samuel]

Having the courage to step into enemy territory with the heart of love and forgiveness is not welcome but when found to be genuine it melts the hearts of your worse enemy. I seem Iraelis and Palistanies embracing each other with genuine love, knowing that hate and revenge is not the way. Few can forgive the enemy let alone learn to love your opressor. As Mandela and Tutu taught us this heart melt the hate and mended the wounded hearts of a whole country.

[efields]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Thanks. You blew my mind with this response.

Perhaps I have been looking at this the wrong way.

Yeah he definitely nailed it..

The what are called the negative responses are really always out best friends. They are showing us where we are still asleep. It something brings us out of our bliss it shows us we need to give attention to the response that this 'barb' was able to 'move' us. Thus the need to respond to attack shows us areas we are still asleep. We have areas of ignorance in our own consciousness that need awakening for surely there is no response that should have the power to move us from our center of Bliss. So all 'upsetting' energies are our best friends as they offer the opportunity for us to Grow past the faulty response that would cause us to 'argue' the position at all.

Whenever we are suffering, we are asleep. It our task to awaken. When we come across a challenge that upsets us, and makes us unhappy or we perceive that we are injured, we have 'forgotten ' our true nature . We have lapsed into the condition of 'sleep'. 95% of the collective is asleep most of the time. How does one know they are asleep? They 'suffer'. When we suffer we have been given a great gift. We have been shown an area of our being that has 'forgotten', and needs to be brought to awareness. Thus awakened the pain is transformed to Love with our awareness and we become a more powerful light to shine on the 'forgetting' of the world. Our job in this incarnation is to remain Awake as much as possible. This has been termed Enlightenment. How does one know if they have achieved Enlightenment? They have ceased 'suffering'. This the great need of this world. To have the collective Awaken. To have awareness. To cease the needless suffering that ensues as they are sleeping... ...

[efields]

It would be great if we could awaken before the harvest. To have as many wake up before that is our greatest goal and importance.

[deb003]

Sorry, I mean this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfYMI97ksdg

[conjuredUp]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

What is that force?
And is battling it the same as being a rock, trying to battle a river, by throwing itself into it?

I used to agree totally, Janitor, I used to think that all it took was love. I do adore me some good love..

However, I am finding that once I label something, be it love or hate, I have given power to not only that thing, but also it's opposite.
They exist on the same stick, although polar ends of it, making it unclear as to which is which or if they are even different outside of their man made names.

What if, we observe life unconditionally, with no emotional attachment such as love or hate..what then?
What if, we are that force that we battle, by labeling and thinking everything is or must be known?
What if, in an objective, neutral place, we realize we are the force and that surrendering to it, is all that is necessary to harmonize?

The mind wants to compete, to challenge, the mind wants to identify & think that it knows, the mind thinks in terms of becoming, as if now isn't enough..

What if the real beauty of oneness, beyond the egos, beyond time, is in the humility of uncertainty?

War is desire. War is fear. War is insecurity and shame and belief.

And they are all illusions that house the man in his mind, away from his highest vibration, that river that flows regardless of the rocks, without consequence.

What we know of love, probably pales in comparison to it's enormous, unfixed truth.
Can we be okay emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, where the unknown is what is?
I have a feeling there is no war there.

Peace~
CW

My gods, woman.
As if I could have observed you more...

[macrostheblack]

There is no spiritual war here as far as I can see.

Just a large group of spiritual people.

We all have questions and concerns dont we.

Were all here on this site to help, assist and heal.

Macros

[dayzero]

and, so, Welcome to the Winning Side!

[Handbook for the New Paradigm]