Aliens Invade Mass Media Headlines!!!

[gibonos]

There do seem to be a lot of alien life articles of late. I have to say I agree with the above article that I referenced. We had better plan on meeting aliens that do all the nasty things humans do.

don't you think they would've done it already?
with their technology it would be easy< i guess they are not that bad, we ARE

gibonos

[Majorion]

Correct, our understanding of aliens is limited to our understanding of ourselves.

We have little to no comparison or framework other than UFO cases, so here you have the scientists who've probably never investigated UFOs saying aliens will be like us. On what basis or logic is that? the fact we're so destructive so the entire Universe must be the same? fooey.

Others have argued it before, if we were dealing with such a malevolant species and so technologically advanced and they intended us any harm, we wouldn't still be here. I also recall Edgar Mitchell stressing that point more than once.

[burgundia]

So...is someone going to play the alien card in the near future?

[Majorion]

I predict in at least another 50 years till enough momentum will have built up necessary for such disclosures. And even then, there's gonna be a spin to the disclosure, it won't be totally forthcoming. For instance, the propaganda 'against' aliens has already begun far before disclosure ever comes, so by the time you hear a world announcement about first contact, the governments or whoever is in charge at the time will also tell us they need our support for a war against the 'evil' aliens who are intent on killing or enslaving us, but of course that's yet another lie.

Just don't get your hopes too high expecting the same liars who've been suppressing this information for so long suddenly 'tell the whole truth'. Personally don't need any government to validate anything for me especially when their lies and cover ups have been blatantly obvious.

[gibonos]

I predict in at least another 50 years till enough momentum will have built up necessary for such disclosures.

I disagree with you. Information flow is to fast right now and it's becoming faster
and people are getting smarter in general, morphogenic field anyone
Right now people intake more data each day than they use to during all their life, 100/200 years ago, and our (at least mine does) brains become more powerful.

gibonos

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Here is another:

Aliens visiting Earth will be just like humans, scientist claims

There do seem to be a lot of alien life articles of late. I have to say I agree with the above article that I referenced. We had better plan on meeting aliens that do all the nasty things humans do.

I dont agree with you on this...For one, all the bad nasty things done buy humans are done buy a minority... We the masses, we have to be lied to becouse the real resons for war are not justifible the public would demostate and make a huge fuss more than we do already with the made up resons..

Humans are good... Its just to get into power you have to be a certain way and these people run the show... The nice people dont get a chance.

Originally Posted by Majorion

I predict in at least another 50 years till enough momentum will have built up necessary for such disclosures.

Im hoping for a bit sooner..

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I predict in at least another 50 years till enough momentum will have built up necessary for such disclosures. And even then, there's gonna be a spin to the disclosure, it won't be totally forthcoming. For instance, the propaganda 'against' aliens has already begun far before disclosure ever comes, so by the time you hear a world announcement about first contact, the governments or whoever is in charge at the time will also tell us they need our support for a war against the 'evil' aliens who are intent on killing or enslaving us, but of course that's yet another lie.

Just don't get your hopes too high expecting the same liars who've been suppressing this information for so long suddenly 'tell the whole truth'. Personally don't need any government to validate anything for me especially when their lies and cover ups have been blatantly obvious.

It is gonna happen within the next 10-15 years my guess. The doors are

opening and as this flow of information comes to the public there going to

want to know more and more as the veils of secrecy begin to unfold.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by joe2288

It is gonna happen within the next 10-15 years my guess. The doors are

opening and as this flow of information comes to the public there going to

want to know more and more as the veils of secrecy begin to unfold.

Just to put it out there. According to Bashar, the probability of alien contact will happen around 2032. Which is a date that crops up quite a lot as a heralding of a 'cosmic moment' and the ushering in of a 'golden age'.

Just a probability mind.

Love,

Kriya

[gibonos]

There is another school of thought that postulates that a sufficiently advanced civilization could in effect complete an invasion and occupation program without the knowledge of its target. Any student of Sun Tzu recognizes the superiority of "winning without fighting". It seems logical that a sufficiently advanced alien society would find it more advantageous to assume control through nonviolent and perhaps not so obvious means if it found cause to do so. I put the Western World's manipulation of Third World countries through covert means as a primitive example of what I mean.

that's exactly what I mean by saying we are bad

winning without fighting would be the situation we are at now,
many things point out to et at the top of the piramid,
we let them do it, we have to excercise our free will and break it

If there are many et races, there sure must be some interplanetary un,
where rules are set and enforced.
That's why I wouldn't be afraid of an outside threat,
don't you think they would be here by now and kill us all?
if they take us by surprise and lets say make us beg for salvation, that's another story.

gibonos

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gibonos

don't you think they would be here by now and kill us all?
gibonos

No. Why would they? Why destroy a valuable resource? The whole "they would have already killed us all" argument is really baseless as I have already illustrated. A sufficiently advanced society wouldn't find it necessary or in their best interests to openly invade or kill. It doesn't mean they want to be your friend and hand you a free-energy device so you can power your I-Pod though. It might mean they want to use you as a resource to suit their own needs and desires.

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by kriya

Just to put it out there. According to Bashar, the probability of alien contact will happen around 2032. Which is a date that crops up quite a lot as a heralding of a 'cosmic moment' and the ushering in of a 'golden age'.

Just a probability mind.

Love,

Kriya

I think that date is correct on actual contact, but the point at which actual

knowledge of the existence of them, being a widespread belief is sooner. I

think it will take the average person quite a while before they are ready to

confront a actual alien and have one on one contact. I know we have already

been in touch with the negative races, because they do not play by the rules

like the positives. in the near future, when humanity is ready they will begin

contacts.

[joe2288]

You know honestly I think If they just came flat out and told us today, I don't

think that many people will be that shocked considering the fact that it is so

blatantly put out in front of peoples faces. Disclosure is inevitable, but the can of

worms it will open,when smacked in the face of the planet is not. I think well be

seeing more questions than answers, when this plays out.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by gibonos

don't you think they would've done it already?
with their technology it would be easy< i guess they are not that bad, we ARE
gibonos

There is another school of thought that postulates that a sufficiently advanced civilization could in effect complete an invasion and occupation program without the knowledge of its target. Any student of Sun Tzu recognizes the superiority of "winning without fighting". It seems logical that a sufficiently advanced alien society would find it more advantageous to assume control through nonviolent and perhaps not so obvious means if it found cause to do so. I put the Western World's manipulation of Third World countries through covert means as a primitive example of what I mean.

I don't think we should assume anything. We shouldn't even rule out that a truly advanced species wouldn't simply be engaged in expansionism or even predation for that matter.

We have to prepare ourselves for the worst and hope for the best. We should view and treat any off-world or non-human intelligent beings like we would a highly dangerous animal or a representative of an unfamiliar foreign government. That is with a great deal of respect, caution, and self-preservation in mind. To do otherwise seems irresponsible.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

There is another school of thought that postulates that a sufficiently advanced civilization could in effect complete an invasion and occupation program without the knowledge of its target. Any student of Sun Tzu recognizes the superiority of "winning without fighting". It seems logical that a sufficiently advanced alien society would find it more advantageous to assume control through nonviolent and perhaps not so obvious means if it found cause to do so. I put the Western World's manipulation of Third World countries through covert means as a primitive example of what I mean.

I don't think we should assume anything. We shouldn't even rule out that a truly advanced species wouldn't simply be engaged in expansionism or even predation for that matter.

We have to prepare ourselves for the worst and hope for the best. We should view and treat any off-world or non-human intelligent beings like we would a highly dangerous animal or a representative of an unfamiliar foreign government. That is with a great deal of respect, caution, and self-preservation in mind. To do otherwise seems irresponsible.

It's quite possible that this had already happened. Apparently reptilians are running the world and the greys are abducting our children. If this is true then non violent infilitration has already occurred.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by kriya

It's quite possible that this had already happened. Apparently reptilians are running the world and the greys are abducting our children. If this is true then non violent infilitration has already occurred.

Excellent! You have made the connection to "Alien Abduction" accounts and so forth. It does really seem to have already happened ...depending on if you believe the likes of Jacobs, Mack, and Hopkins. The history of UFO encounters seems to suggest that they have been living on the earth in underground bases for some time. Maybe thousands of years now. They come and go as they please and seem to be conducting an ongoing project that includes human beings. The true nature and purpose of this project is truly a mystery if this is so. The often offered reasoning that the aliens are trying to genetically rescue their own race via our own has too many holes in it for me to believe it. I think that is just another misdirection or misunderstanding of the whole business.

With what I think I know so far, it looks to me like the aliens are already here, they influence human events, their purposes do not encompass human desire, want, or need but rather serve some ultimate purpose of their own. Therefore they have no real motivation to be truthful, fair, or meet any other human concept of interspecies relations and we shouldn't expect them to. I think we're in their grip and we may not even possess the means to be aware of what is actually going on. Or ... it could just all be a lot circumstance and speculation about strange and incomprehensible phenomena. I think its somewhere in between.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Therefore they have no real motivation to be truthful, fair, or meet any other human concept of interspecies relations and we shouldn't expect them to.

I think this is a bit of a bleak outlook.
I look upon the stories that's are shown or given to abductees in some cases can be largely different, this doesn't negate their validity but are given to abductees for the reason to misdirect from the true course.. That being our own governments involvement...

Also I dont think Homosapians or the general populous in their current mind set are looked upon as ready to come into contact with more advanced beings. This I believe is changing as time passes and the psyche of the general populous becomes more advanced in a spiritual sense.

When we can understand whats on earth with us already then we will be ready for a first contact. Are we near that point? I don't know.

As a civilization advances, it advances in technology and ethics hand in hand or at least to give the illusion of being ethical, with technology and Internet, companies are having to become more ethical as the veil is lifted.. The psyche of the majority is of good nature and its only the few that are able to skew this in the wrong direction. This I believe is changing, we are advancing.

To think that the only reason for contact from other beings as purely explotational is in my mind not the case.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

I think this is a bit of a bleak outlook.
... This I believe is changing, we are advancing.

To think that the only reason for contact from other beings as purely explotational is in my mind not the case.

My point is not that they would necessarily be that way but that there is nothing that says they wouldn't be and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

We can't afford to pull a Chamberlain with this business.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

My point is not that they would necessarily be that way but that there is nothing that says they wouldn't be and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

We can't afford to pull a Chamberlain with this business.

Polarity is a worrying thing... I like to think as we become more advanced
we can become less of how we have been so far.. If that makes sense.


Being dilligent is a good thing.

[Bilko]

Show someone the X files or a film where we meet aliens and people get all scared and dismissive even to the point of ridicule. Show someone a film where alien races live among us ie, starwars, startrek, babylon 5 et-all and they are completely at ease with it.
Go figure

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Bilko

Show someone the X files or a film where we meet aliens and people get all scared and dismissive even to the point of ridicule. Show someone a film where alien races live among us ie, starwars, startrek, babylon 5 et-all and they are completely at ease with it.
Go figure

When dealing with an unknown such an alien civilization, to error on the side of caution would be no great shame. To error the other way could be disastrous for the human race, Earth, and future episodes of Family Guy.

They could just like us or similar enough for it not to matter or they could be so different as to be unintelligible to us. In other words we may have to deal with just like we do with any other human government ...with a great deal of caution or we might not even be able to understand what they are or what they are actually doing. In either case and everything in between we should very careful and deliberate and assume nothing about them including their honesty.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

As a civilization advances, it advances in technology and ethics hand in hand or at least to give the illusion of being ethical, ...

It is an illusion. There is no practical evidence that technology and ethics are linked in the slightest. Having worked for many years in what was termed the 'High-Tech' Industry I can assure you ethics and morality have nothing to do with the development and use of technology. In fact, it would seem to be to the contrary.

As a quick survey of history will show technological advances are often in response to the needs of warfare. Nazi Germany and the U.S.A. during WWII are two excellent examples. Modern military institutions invest heavily into advanced technology and are the first to adopt new technologies to complete their mission. This is an undeniable fact in human history and development. There is no basis for assuming another civilization would be any different. One would hope for it while simultaneously planning for the opposite.

The truth is that a civilization with technology so advanced as to appear to be magic could at the same time be predatory, expansionist, imperialistic, or just mischievous. We have no real way of knowing.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

It is an illusion.

The truth is that a civilization with technology so advanced as to appear to be magic could at the same time be predatory, expansionist, imperialistic, or just mischievous. We have no real way of knowing.

Very true.. My point was kinda that it has to be done in a illusionary manner or there would be problems with the population.... But you have made all very valid points.

I hope we meet the good ones and not the bad... My father when I asked the question "Who are the goodies" He would reply "there are no goodies" Mosty watching war films or cow boys and indians.... I digress....

[gibonos]

@trainedobserver

No. Why would they? Why destroy a valuable resource? The whole "they would have already killed us all" argument is really baseless as I have already illustrated. A sufficiently advanced society wouldn't find it necessary or in their best interests to openly invade or kill. It doesn't mean they want to be your friend and hand you a free-energy device so you can power your I-Pod though. It might mean they want to use you as a resource to suit their own needs and desires.

I get your point and it's valid.
What I'm talking about is as if it wasn't already true, meaning we are somebody's slaves! Why would be afraid of this, when we are living it?
Your argument also shows that not all et's are friendly and have high vibrations
and like us their technology exceeds their spirituality.
Unless it's their purpose in universe:
exploit and make r/evolution possible, no crisis= no change

gibonos

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I don't think we should assume anything. We shouldn't even rule out that a truly advanced species wouldn't simply be engaged in expansionism or even predation for that matter.

We have to prepare ourselves for the worst and hope for the best. We should view and treat any off-world or non-human intelligent beings like we would a highly dangerous animal or a representative of an unfamiliar foreign government. That is with a great deal of respect, caution, and self-preservation in mind. To do otherwise seems irresponsible.

That is a very valid point.