Aliens Invade Mass Media Headlines!!!

[kriya]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

There is another school of thought that postulates that a sufficiently advanced civilization could in effect complete an invasion and occupation program without the knowledge of its target. Any student of Sun Tzu recognizes the superiority of "winning without fighting". It seems logical that a sufficiently advanced alien society would find it more advantageous to assume control through nonviolent and perhaps not so obvious means if it found cause to do so. I put the Western World's manipulation of Third World countries through covert means as a primitive example of what I mean.

I don't think we should assume anything. We shouldn't even rule out that a truly advanced species wouldn't simply be engaged in expansionism or even predation for that matter.

We have to prepare ourselves for the worst and hope for the best. We should view and treat any off-world or non-human intelligent beings like we would a highly dangerous animal or a representative of an unfamiliar foreign government. That is with a great deal of respect, caution, and self-preservation in mind. To do otherwise seems irresponsible.

It's quite possible that this had already happened. Apparently reptilians are running the world and the greys are abducting our children. If this is true then non violent infilitration has already occurred.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by kriya

It's quite possible that this had already happened. Apparently reptilians are running the world and the greys are abducting our children. If this is true then non violent infilitration has already occurred.

Excellent! You have made the connection to "Alien Abduction" accounts and so forth. It does really seem to have already happened ...depending on if you believe the likes of Jacobs, Mack, and Hopkins. The history of UFO encounters seems to suggest that they have been living on the earth in underground bases for some time. Maybe thousands of years now. They come and go as they please and seem to be conducting an ongoing project that includes human beings. The true nature and purpose of this project is truly a mystery if this is so. The often offered reasoning that the aliens are trying to genetically rescue their own race via our own has too many holes in it for me to believe it. I think that is just another misdirection or misunderstanding of the whole business.

With what I think I know so far, it looks to me like the aliens are already here, they influence human events, their purposes do not encompass human desire, want, or need but rather serve some ultimate purpose of their own. Therefore they have no real motivation to be truthful, fair, or meet any other human concept of interspecies relations and we shouldn't expect them to. I think we're in their grip and we may not even possess the means to be aware of what is actually going on. Or ... it could just all be a lot circumstance and speculation about strange and incomprehensible phenomena. I think its somewhere in between.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Therefore they have no real motivation to be truthful, fair, or meet any other human concept of interspecies relations and we shouldn't expect them to.

I think this is a bit of a bleak outlook.
I look upon the stories that's are shown or given to abductees in some cases can be largely different, this doesn't negate their validity but are given to abductees for the reason to misdirect from the true course.. That being our own governments involvement...

Also I dont think Homosapians or the general populous in their current mind set are looked upon as ready to come into contact with more advanced beings. This I believe is changing as time passes and the psyche of the general populous becomes more advanced in a spiritual sense.

When we can understand whats on earth with us already then we will be ready for a first contact. Are we near that point? I don't know.

As a civilization advances, it advances in technology and ethics hand in hand or at least to give the illusion of being ethical, with technology and Internet, companies are having to become more ethical as the veil is lifted.. The psyche of the majority is of good nature and its only the few that are able to skew this in the wrong direction. This I believe is changing, we are advancing.

To think that the only reason for contact from other beings as purely explotational is in my mind not the case.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

I think this is a bit of a bleak outlook.
... This I believe is changing, we are advancing.

To think that the only reason for contact from other beings as purely explotational is in my mind not the case.

My point is not that they would necessarily be that way but that there is nothing that says they wouldn't be and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

We can't afford to pull a Chamberlain with this business.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

My point is not that they would necessarily be that way but that there is nothing that says they wouldn't be and we should be prepared for any eventuality.

We can't afford to pull a Chamberlain with this business.

Polarity is a worrying thing... I like to think as we become more advanced
we can become less of how we have been so far.. If that makes sense.


Being dilligent is a good thing.

[Bilko]

Show someone the X files or a film where we meet aliens and people get all scared and dismissive even to the point of ridicule. Show someone a film where alien races live among us ie, starwars, startrek, babylon 5 et-all and they are completely at ease with it.
Go figure

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Bilko

Show someone the X files or a film where we meet aliens and people get all scared and dismissive even to the point of ridicule. Show someone a film where alien races live among us ie, starwars, startrek, babylon 5 et-all and they are completely at ease with it.
Go figure

When dealing with an unknown such an alien civilization, to error on the side of caution would be no great shame. To error the other way could be disastrous for the human race, Earth, and future episodes of Family Guy.

They could just like us or similar enough for it not to matter or they could be so different as to be unintelligible to us. In other words we may have to deal with just like we do with any other human government ...with a great deal of caution or we might not even be able to understand what they are or what they are actually doing. In either case and everything in between we should very careful and deliberate and assume nothing about them including their honesty.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

As a civilization advances, it advances in technology and ethics hand in hand or at least to give the illusion of being ethical, ...

It is an illusion. There is no practical evidence that technology and ethics are linked in the slightest. Having worked for many years in what was termed the 'High-Tech' Industry I can assure you ethics and morality have nothing to do with the development and use of technology. In fact, it would seem to be to the contrary.

As a quick survey of history will show technological advances are often in response to the needs of warfare. Nazi Germany and the U.S.A. during WWII are two excellent examples. Modern military institutions invest heavily into advanced technology and are the first to adopt new technologies to complete their mission. This is an undeniable fact in human history and development. There is no basis for assuming another civilization would be any different. One would hope for it while simultaneously planning for the opposite.

The truth is that a civilization with technology so advanced as to appear to be magic could at the same time be predatory, expansionist, imperialistic, or just mischievous. We have no real way of knowing.

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

It is an illusion.

The truth is that a civilization with technology so advanced as to appear to be magic could at the same time be predatory, expansionist, imperialistic, or just mischievous. We have no real way of knowing.

Very true.. My point was kinda that it has to be done in a illusionary manner or there would be problems with the population.... But you have made all very valid points.

I hope we meet the good ones and not the bad... My father when I asked the question "Who are the goodies" He would reply "there are no goodies" Mosty watching war films or cow boys and indians.... I digress....

[gibonos]

@trainedobserver

No. Why would they? Why destroy a valuable resource? The whole "they would have already killed us all" argument is really baseless as I have already illustrated. A sufficiently advanced society wouldn't find it necessary or in their best interests to openly invade or kill. It doesn't mean they want to be your friend and hand you a free-energy device so you can power your I-Pod though. It might mean they want to use you as a resource to suit their own needs and desires.

I get your point and it's valid.
What I'm talking about is as if it wasn't already true, meaning we are somebody's slaves! Why would be afraid of this, when we are living it?
Your argument also shows that not all et's are friendly and have high vibrations
and like us their technology exceeds their spirituality.
Unless it's their purpose in universe:
exploit and make r/evolution possible, no crisis= no change

gibonos