SNOW CIRCLES ...instead of CROP CIRCLES

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by chelmostef

If you have no constuctive information to give PLEASE give none.

Here are four short videos chock full of constructive information and actual demonstrations you can watch. There is someone (truthseekers) posting to this thread who has been arrested and convicted under British law for making crop circles and he has offered to answer your questions. What more could you ask for?

Testing of Crop Circles
How to work out a crop circle is man made
The science and "experts" exposed
Crop Circles being made

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Here are four short videos chock full of constructive information and actual demonstrations you can watch. There is someone (truthseekers) posting to this thread who has been arrested and convicted under British law for making crop circles and he has offered to answer your questions. What more could you ask for?

Testing of Crop Circles
How to work out a crop circle is man made
The science and "experts" exposed
Crop Circles being made

Are you saying all crop circles are man made?

[truthseekers]

There arent any I see that dont look like they couldnt be made by people. Theres nothing so complicated that it would be too hard.. so basically yes. However I can verify i know most of the UK circlemakers and do not know people from abroad... apart from a few who I have infrequent contact with. Seeing as I know every person doing them in the UK I know who does what. Its just part of being in the loop. I dont know who is doingh what overseas.

[371]

Originally Posted by truthseekers

There arent any I see that dont look like they couldnt be made by people. Theres nothing so complicated that it would be too hard.. so basically yes. However I can verify i know most of the UK circlemakers and do not know people from abroad... apart from a few who I have infrequent contact with. Seeing as I know every person doing them in the UK I know who does what. Its just part of being in the loop. I dont know who is doingh what overseas.

Oh?



You sir, are full of it.

I know this for FACT.... "it's just part of being in the loop"

[Soulcrafter]

Yawn, here are the oneliners again...nite all !

[371]

Originally Posted by truthseekers

. Seeing as I know every person doing them in the UK I know who does what. Its just part of being in the loop..

Who made this?




Or this?




Names and details, please.... since you are in the LOOP.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by 371

Who made this?


Names and details, please.... since you are in the LOOP.

The answer is people, the rest is up to you.

It doesn't work like that, you should have known that by now.
The arrogance of some people shees!

This is not what circlemakers do you know.
They might as well put their names near the formations.

It's art without the signature.
The rest is up for the people who admire them and see symbolism in them.

And IF we would say who made what are you gonna post the thousands of formations here and ask who, what and where? Think about it

[371]

Originally Posted by Soulcrafter

The answer is people, the rest is up to you.

Wrong, MOST- but not all.

This guy says he knows everyone who has made every cropcircle in the UK. Okay, names is a stretch. Details then.

My point is- this guy is talking out is a$$ and he knows it. Wants to feel important. ARMCHAIR EXPERT.

[truthseekers]

Originally Posted by 371

Wrong, MOST- but not all.

This guy says he knows everyone who has made every cropcircle in the UK. Okay, names is a stretch. Details then.

My point is- this guy is talking out is a$$ and he knows it. Wants to feel important. ARMCHAIR EXPERT.

Your quite the little expert arent you and rude to boot. Armchair expert he is not. I have seen the circles he has created and he is active each year. I think the only armchair expert is probably you im afraid to say.

We are here to answer your questions but if you are going to insist on taking the high ground on this when as far as I am aware you havent been on any TV or Radio shows or featured in books or magazines on this subject then why should we bow down to you telling us "fact" in this abusive manner?

[371]

.

[371]

OK- know what?

I'll take everything back, I said... just explain this to me:



What do they MEAN, and what are they FOR?

And don't give me the 'artistic expression' line...

[truthseekers]

Originally Posted by 371

OK- know what?

I'll take everything back, I said... just explain this to me:



What do they MEAN, and what are they FOR?

And don't give me the 'artistic expression' line...

The circles were started by Doug and Dave as a way to see if people would believe it was a Saucer had landed. It certainly did givethat impression to people. However it developed into a research effort which then went on to say that perhaps whirlwinds or plasma vortex had created the circles even Gaia theories. These days circlemakers are happy for people to believe what ever they want to believe but it is sad that the whole subject has been beset by researchers who are peddling books and theories to make some money when it is clear to those researchers people make circles. The interpretations those researchers put on circles are often nothing to do with the intention that was put in by the circlemakers.

What do the circles represent, well ask most circlemakers and they would probably tell you they create designs which reflect current news events or spiritual ideas that will excite the minds of the people who visit them. Not all circlemakers are spiritually minded but they will still draw upon a database of ideas that we all know and see as spiritual and adapt these ideas into easier to make circle designs. When I say easier, that doesnt mean easy to understand for you or the man in the streetbut to an accomplished artist and circlemaker easy for us to make.

Designs may be literal such as pyramids with all seeing eyes. When a design is this literal its hard not to get the message of what it means. However what is sometimes lost is whether these images are supposed to promote or denegrate the idea that is put forward in the design. Such as in the case of the pyramid it was done by someone who hates freemasonry and yet they did this design, which is then ambigious to the meaning. Its almost as if they should have drawn a line through the pyramid as its just giving credit to freemasons otherwise. Subtleties like issues over designs like this are something which few people ever get to hear about.

Most of the designs are just inspired ideas which come to the circlemakers when they are playing around on paper with things that work well or seem visually different. Where the inspiration comes from for what to do and the honing process which allows a design to take off if open to question. However we know as circlemakers that some design ideas have been put down only to see others out on the same night doing a similar design even though those circlemakers had not shared their info. Tis came to a spectacular head when two teams ended up working on similarish design in the same field on the same night and they were working close to each other without knowing. I have had inspiration to do designs which other people have been meditating on. This elads me to think the designs are sometimes "asked for" but is that by us person to person telepathy or is it that we are all connecting into a higher mind or group conciousness for all humanity or are we being infuenced from somewhere else or something else... perhaps down from aliens even. Nobody can be sure at this stage.

All we know is that every year the idea of creating deisgns for other people to enthuse over excites the circlemakers. The thought of getting some unusual events or synchronicities makes the prospect even more appealing.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by 371

OK- know what?

I'll take everything back, I said... just explain this to me:



What do they MEAN, and what are they FOR?

And don't give me the 'artistic expression' line...

If you would have taken the time to watch some of Matt's videos you would have those answers.

Modern crop circle making spawned from a couple of guys trying to 'recreate' or 'simulate' what used to be referred to as saucer nests or landing impressions. Being artists they introduced various other elements to the design. Being illegal the works were anonymous. Also taking credit for the art was thought to diminish the mystery and interest. Copy cats arose and produced their own circles. The mythos that the crop circles are in some way produced in some paranormal fashion rather than by human beings is perpetuated by the crop circle 'community' itself for various reasons.

While some may be designed to convey some sort of message a great deal of them are just interesting patterns and like a Rorschach blot can be interpreted in various ways.

The really sad thing here is this. Here you have at least two real crop circle makers (I'm not one of them) posting to this thread trying to give the honest to goodness truth about the phenomena. Multiple videos have been provided for review that explain all aspects of the phenomena (every question asked so far are answered in them), even how to detect that they are man made and the methods used to construct them. Yet ...they are not believed. It really is a sad/funny thing to watch happening.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Nykki

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Probably should be careful of what you disrespect next time.

Sorry to spoil your fun but this is NOT the place for this kind of conflict.

It is not the place for you to make insults either. I know I can't catch everyone who does it but I need as much help as I can get - not hindrance, and I dont want people fighting fire with fire here - it just makes things worse.

Yes people need to be polite. Just because some are not, that does not give you license to get the big guns out.

Please help by not furthering conflict.

A..

[Northern Boy]

Thanks for stepping in Anchor you seemed rather nice in some of your posts Nikki maybe I was wrong about you . There is such thing as providing a civil answer without resorting to the disrespect of forum members and if you have the answer to the crop circles all you had to do was post it and that would have been enough . No need to let your temper or your emotions get the better of you because of a discussion that you were not even involved in

[Northern Boy]

then I have nothing to lose it seems so I`ll stay to see if you can keep your short fuse in check

[Northern Boy]

thankies back too you and don`t be afraid to take a shot at it yourself

[Northern Boy]

Nik you just want to look like your in control here and think by telling me to move on that you may have some authority over me you don`t so understand that you jumped in on some one else`s post and posted stuff you then felt you needed to remove I don`t have to go any where now I`m prepared to leave it at that if you are but if you want to continue so will i the call is yours to make

[Northern Boy]

I feel the same way my Friend

[THE eXchanger]

The SNOW CIRCLE ...
http://www.rense.com/general88/snowc.htm


modifying this entry into a chart

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Nykki

Edit by Nykki

This ain't making it easier. Why did you re-edit (deleted) your post?
Have you changed your mind? If so, for what reason?

[Northern Boy]

Soulcrafter this was part of the original post that was deleted as you can see It appears to me to have been out of line with what the original topic that some members here were talking about so 371s explanation about Nicki not being out of line may be a bit exaggerated Or there would have been no reason to delete her posts

Originally Posted by Nikki

So, here's the BET. Your SOUL is on the Line HERE. You have to prove, some how that you know who and why these C.C. are made. You have 24 hours. Then I WILL SHOW YOU who made them and why. MY prize is your SOUL.
OR, simply bow out. The choice is yours. Write down what your choice is.

FYI, don't post your Picture on the net. (if you're going to be stupid)
Probably should be careful of what you disrespect next time.

[371]

Stop.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by 371

Stop.

Stop what? Come on, the less words the less others will understand what we are discussing about.

[Soulcrafter]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Soulcrafter this was part of the original post that was deleted as you can see It appears to me to have been out of line with what the original topic that some members here were talking about so 371s explanation about Nicki not being out of line may be a bit exaggerated Or there would have been no reason to delete her posts

Originally Posted by Nikki

Ok thx for that, you know i didn't even had the chance to read her post.
So it must have been happening in a very short time.
I'm not online 24 hours.
Now i understand. Let's move on.