The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell

TruthWillSetUFree · 12-17-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Argante

Please checkout the following video. It has 9 parts of 10 minutes each. It explains where Hall and Jordan get their opinions from, and why they believe what they say. I thought it was a mind blowing series...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmvMNWlWOEA

Here is a link to the playlist so you do not have to search for the other parts:

The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 2009 Final Cut 1/9

Excellent videos highly recommend

I agree with the stuff on channeling.

Thanks for posting!

Seashore · 12-17-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

Excellent videos highly recommend

I agree with the stuff on channeling.

Thanks for posting!

Now I'm going to have to move these up on my "To Do" list!!

Moxie · 12-17-2009, 07:51 PM

Ok, so I'm watching the first part of the video series "The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 2009"....which I can already tell is Christian biased..

wherein they cite that the Illuminati & Freemasonry hold to the belief that Jesus is a personification of the sun itself (astrotheology), which was later distorted into Christian religious dogma as being a literal interpretaton that of the physical man Jesus was saviour. Ok I get that because I have read Acharya's book The Christ Conspiracy and, from my view, did a great job reducing all the world's religions to the same sources, that of sun god worship, study of the stars. Ex: IsRaEl, Isis, Ra the son God.

Then this producer goes on to say that the Zeitgeist movies are an implant by the Illuminati to destroy Christianity because that religion is a rip off of the truth, that of celestial bodies including the sun. The producer of this film even uses Acharya as a source for backup support by citing her research showing that there is no evidence of FreeMasons in ancient times to support the theory that of sun god worship.

HowEver... Acharya is not even an evemerist (someone who believes that Jesus existed but was not the son of God or the saviour), she stands that he never even existed at ALL. (the greatest story ever sold). So I think it's funny that he uses her material where it suits him.

Acharya is not a new age junkie whatsoever. I think, in this short snippet, that this is a fundamental Christian trying to defend his Jesus (which I understand), as it has been devastating & crushing to many who have learned of this deception, which in my educated view, is true, Jesus is a myth. (don't jump on me guys, I'm just stating my view)...

But this thing goes much further... because it goes into the stars as to our origins, that of off planet and has nothing to do with God, the ultimate creator. Anyone following me?

It's apparent to me that this producer has it backwards. The Illuminati are not pee'd off w/Christianity because they stole their religion & twisted it up... the Illuminati are the ones that implanted the religions, all of them, to begin with in my view, causing division & warring to continue.

As I mentioned earlier, I think, on this thread or the other one started w/Masons... check out keyofsolomon.com... this is getting REALLY good because I can see how the Illunimati will be exposed for having covered up the truth of our origins to begin with and the truth seeking christian may very well get their truth and they won"t like it one bit>>> what"s acharya"s saying: the truth will set you free but first it will **** you off.

later...
I have more to watch and more thinking to do.

Moxie · 12-17-2009, 07:55 PM

ps: why are some people allowed to write P*** (pee-pee slang) and mine gets censored?... there's your "click" for ya... later

Seashore · 12-17-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Moxie

ps: why are some people allowed to write P*** (pee-pee slang) and mine gets censored?... there's your "click" for ya... later

I think the system does this automatically. But it should be the same for everyone. The other person used the exact same word? Or am I misunderstanding you?

MargueriteBee · 02-10-2010, 02:11 AM

Unfortunately the videos have been removed.

truth and integrity · 02-10-2010, 08:06 AM

You can still find it on Google when you type a title. Chris White, the author of “The infiltration of a New Age Movement”, also did “My rant to the truth movement” and “Debunking Jordan Maxwell by Chris White”. A year ago, I did not agree with him.

However, after my research about Madame Blavatsky, Bailey, M.P. Hall to name a few, I am on the same page.

Best regard,

Stardustaquarion · 02-10-2010, 10:20 AM

The problem is "divide and conquer" theme, keep humas fighting each other while TPTB do their deeds behing the curtains.

Yes, the masons are satanists and luciferianist and so are many churches, Kryst or Christ has nothing to do with either, is just the name of the first sound of creation

Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La

And yes, there seems to be a plot to keep us in the dark of what is really happening here and about to happen in 2012

We are being told by the New Age disinfomation that we are going to ascend just because they say so

Even if we take the parts that are still authentic in the Bible and other texts, they all say that we have to change, they do not tell you how, but they all coincide that we are not fine just as we are and certainly not fit to live in higher worlds

We just have to look around us to see that if society does not work is because the individuals that form it are disfunctional...

We need to wake up and wise up as soon as possible, if we are interested in trascending this convoluted world in which we are dweling in this moment. All signs are there and it appears that the intentions of TPTB is to take us to a much worse paradigm; otherwise why will they take so much trouble in trying to keep us ignorant (amused with Tv, video games, reality shows etc, dog eat dog competition in workplace, school, sports etc) and drugged (with GMO foods, prozac, fluoride, etc?

Love

Moxie · 02-10-2010, 02:51 PM

Brilliant post Stardust! Exactly!
quote: The problem is "divide and conquer" theme.

Stop with trying to publish which person is bogus or lieing... as they all can & do offer snippets to the big picture, the "parts that are still authentic".

I think by now, we have a good grasp on what the big picture is.
Do they offer you a WAY for true change? Maxwell has some great eye-openers, but does he ever tell you what he is doing to effect change other than exposing what is wrong?

Awareness alone does not change anything!!! It does no good to KNOW what is screwed up if there is NO WAY to direct your energies toward change.

Thank you Stardustacquarian, perhaps more people here might heed your beautiful direction!
MIght want to buy the book "Dare To Prepare" also.

Traverser · 03-07-2010, 10:39 PM

Greeting to you All,

Not posted in some months, but I have been looking in when time allowed.

Well, Talk about synchronicities!

Firstly, I'd been thinking about this very subject over the past while and how the New Age Movement could be the New World Religion.
When I came across this...

The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 1 of 9

I searched Avalon and came across this thread by seashore.

I don't mind saying. This is really giving me food for thought...

Be really intereted in what y'all think..?

Namaste,
Trav.

Mercuriel · 03-07-2010, 11:34 PM

I always find that Knowledge is Power and removes the need for Blind Faith of anything. Once One knows - One simply knows. In this Spirit of this and that alone I place it so They can read for Themselves if They wish to. Please find linked in My Reply the following two Books...

Manly P Hall - The Lost Keys of Freemasonry - Or - The Secret of Hiram Abiff

The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff by Manly P. Hall

And...

The Secret Teachings of All Ages

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall

Now that We have the two Books linked above - This Discussion can continue in an Academic fashion - With the appropriate Documents placed into the Arena for disection of pertinent facts - About the above Teachings - If necessary...

Traverser · 03-08-2010, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercuriel

Now that We have the two Books linked above - This Discussion can continue in an Academic fashion - With the appropriate Documents placed into the Arena for disection of pertinent facts - About the above Teachings - If necessary...

Greetings Mercuriel,

Thanks for the links, I'll certainly read them...

Just so as we're clear from the outset, are you advocating the works of Manly P. Hall, Blavatsky, Bailey, Jordan Maxwell, New Age Movement etc...

Just Curious.

Namaste,
Trav.

MichalPtacnik · 03-08-2010, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Firstly, I'd been thinking about this very subject over the past while and how the New Age Movement could be the New World Religion.
When I came across this...

The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 1 of 9

I searched Avalon and came across this thread by seashore.

I don't mind saying. This is really giving me food for thought...

Be really intereted in what y'all think..?

Namaste,
Trav.

The problem is that Christianity in the old times most likely WAS about a Christ Consciousness, at least the once mainstream gnostic path was, and that it is a natural way with earthly things that they grow corrupt; so any ancient "ism" is most likely greatly watered down and warped.

Also, New Age does not want to make people slaves. New Age is in fact much less usable to enslave the masses than Christianity, as evidenced by the middle ages.

Instead, we should assume, that the Elite want to corrupt New Age more than likely, or as they would probably say, adapt it, just as Pagan Rome adapted Christianity and turned it into what it is now - a human bashing, doublethink based religion.

Oh and by the way, the Bible has been explained with esotheric ideas since the beginning, and the old christians correctly assumed that such explanations reinforced christianity, and were witnesses for it's truthfulness.

And for Christ's sake, once more: NEW AGE IS NOT THEOSOPHY. Repeat 400 times on the blackboard until you really get it.

I guess this is not for most of the people here on the forum, but boy, how many times I've heard that misconception.

MichalPtacnik · 03-08-2010, 04:22 PM

Addendum: You either seek God earnestly, and want to participate in His plan, or you do not and instead seek something of this world. The former, in whatever garb they are clad, will be the true Initiates, whereas the latter will be invariably drawn by the powers of their soul to their real, temporal goals.

Traverser · 03-08-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercuriel

No - I AM not advocating these Works per se. Merely that They do exist and that if People are going to debate or discuss these Literary Works - They should have the Books in front of Them so as to be able to discuss Them from a factual perspective. Not a "He said" - "She said" - "They said" - Etc. perspective. This is why I placed Them here in this Thread.

That there are some very sound concepts in these two Books is to be sure but as with anything - Knowledge is Power but It's also what One does with that Knowledge/Power once They've attained It.

Hi Mercuriel,

I send You my Heart felt Thanks for supplying these two Books. It's Grately Appreciated...
Also, I totally agree with you; 'Knowledge IS Power' and 'With that Power comes Great Responsibility'

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Originally Posted by MichalPtacnik

The problem is that Christianity in the old times most likely WAS about a Christ Consciousness, at least the once mainstream gnostic path was, and that it is a natural way with earthly things that they grow corrupt; so any ancient "ism" is most likely greatly watered down and warped.

Also, New Age does not want to make people slaves. New Age is in fact much less usable to enslave the masses than Christianity, as evidenced by the middle ages.

Instead, we should assume, that the Elite want to corrupt New Age more than likely, or as they would probably say, adapt it, just as Pagan Rome adapted Christianity and turned it into what it is now - a human bashing, doublethink based religion.

Oh and by the way, the Bible has been explained with esotheric ideas since the beginning, and the old christians correctly assumed that such explanations reinforced christianity, and were witnesses for it's truthfulness.

And for Christ's sake, once more: NEW AGE IS NOT THEOSOPHY. Repeat 400 times on the blackboard until you really get it.

I guess this is not for most of the people here on the forum, but boy, how many times I've heard that misconception.

Hi MichalPtacnik,

Thanks for your reply...

Interesting stuff and I must say that I agree with you for the most part especially the sections highlighted in blue.
And this is what I suspect the plagiarism and hijacking of another religion.
It happened with the religion of Christianity.
So, Why not the religion of the 'New Age'?

I must however, respectfully disagree with your last sentence...

The 'NEW AGE' Movement is all too comfortable in quoting 'Blavatsky', arguably the most famous of the 'THEOSOPHISTS'.
So at the very-very least, it has a real influence on the New Age Movement. A simple search on the net makes this clear.

Love and Light to All,

Namaste,
Trav.

Moxie · 03-09-2010, 01:21 AM

I don't see that it matters much what affiliation one might have with another.
There is much to be learned even tho you might disagree philosophically with someone... did not Maxwell inherit Hall's library? THAT is a big deal!!!

Even lawyers in a courtroom of law fight each other to win and then shake hands afterwards and have lunch together & a drink... so what's the problem?

One's own enemy can be the most valuable tool to learn.

Maxwell has done a great job revealing symbolics & the sources to religions & law etc... just an amazing job. Why must we dissect his philosophy and who his friends are?... does that dismiss his work exposing esoterics? I think not.

The message or the messenger, that is the question.

MichalPtacnik · 03-17-2010, 01:46 PM

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The 'NEW AGE' Movement is all too comfortable in quoting 'Blavatsky', arguably the most famous of the 'THEOSOPHISTS'.
So at the very-very least, it has a real influence on the New Age Movement. A simple search on the net makes this clear.

Yes, but I am in many ways comfortable with what little I know of Blavatsky myself. I think she might have been a true initiate, she might have lost her way along the road, or she might not; I certainly have not read all her works to be able to decide that, and even if I had, chances are I would not be able to do it. Either you sincerely seek God, or you don't, and only you can know which one is true in your heart.

Of course she influenced the New Age, but her Theosophy is one hundred years older than New Age; the world changed. Most of the Race stuff was modern in Blavatski's days, so they used it; it fell out of use one hundred years later and New Age does not use it anymore; so what? These are just props to show the eternally real truths with; call the message Christianity, Islam, Theosophy or New Age, Esotherica is Esotherica as long as the soul is the soul and the world is the world and God is God.

Of course, the true Esotherica usually disappears over time from the body of the teaching; chances are, if Theosophy is REALLY the religion of the Illuminati, that this happened and they changed it from the worship of God to the worship of Mammon, or the Lord of this World; chances are that Mme Blavatski would cry seeing the corruption of her handiwork; or she would not. I am honestly not her so I can't say.

BUT to say that because of a few quotes an entire esotheric teaching is corrupt and because Hitler adopted it and corrupted the original message was wrong in the first place uses the same logic as "hitlers used messershmitts, hitler was evil, and messershmitts were planes, so let's ban the evil arts of air travel!"

Ludicrous.

Mercuriel · 03-08-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traverser

Just so as we're clear from the outset, are you advocating the works of Manly P. Hall, Blavatsky, Bailey, Jordan Maxwell, New Age Movement etc...

Just Curious.

Namaste,
Trav.

No - I AM not advocating these Works per se. Merely that They do exist and that if People are going to debate or discuss these Literary Works - They should have the Books in front of Them so as to be able to discuss Them from a factual perspective. Not a "He said" - "She said" - "They said" - Etc. perspective. This is why I placed Them here in this Thread.

That there are some very sound concepts in these two Books is to be sure but as with anything - Knowledge is Power but It's also what One does with that Knowledge/Power once They've attained It.

Majorion · 03-08-2010, 05:30 PM

I've known a gentleman before who was a Freemason and we were friends for a while, I learned more from this man than probably anyone I've ever met before and he was a very cordial and polite individual, in terms of what these people are learning behind the scenes, being 'initiated' and all that, he both gave me a new perspective and confirmed some of my long held suspicions about the occult. He was no different than many of us here that have an interest in studying esoteric subjects and the like.

Re the topic of "profanes", it is true some of them view others that way, but definitely not all of them.

Seashore · 03-08-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorion

I've known a gentleman before who was a Freemason and we were friends for a while, I learned more from this man than probably anyone I've ever met before and he was a very cordial and polite individual, in terms of what these people are learning behind the scenes, being 'initiated' and all that, he both gave me a new perspective and confirmed some of my long held suspicions about the occult. He was no different than many of us here that have an interest in studying esoteric subjects and the like.

Re the topic of "profanes", it is true some of them view others that way, but definitely not all of them.

Did he ever tell you why they insist on being secret?

Majorion · 03-08-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Seashore

Did he ever tell you why they insist on being secret?

Hiyas Seashore, my understanding is that secrecy was necessary for them in those "olden" days where they would have either been convicted of heresy or sentenced to death. It may have been appropriate for those times under the circumstances and all, but we can see today how the secrecy has become a vital component of the occult and has evolved into a negative thing. The thing is, most Freemasons are victims and haven't a clue about who ultimately runs this whole entire brotherhood/fraternity. Many Freemasons are just normal people like you and me who want to learn certain things with like minded individuals and they find that within the fraternity they are not subjected to accusations of being luciferian or devil worshipers, etc, just for wanting to study the esoteric, ancient knowledge, and magick.

The main problem is they have been infiltrated at the highest ranks, just for a second; imagine Avalon was infiltrated at the highest level? (purely hypothetical), it is a bit similar to that. How do some outsiders view Avalon? "oh those nutjobs, spiritual nonsense, cults, truthers, ufo believers, disinfo agents".

Not exactly the same but there are situational similarities and thats my point.
Hope I'm making sense.

Seashore · 03-08-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorion

Hiyas Seashore, my understanding is that secrecy was necessary for them in those "olden" days where they would have either been convicted of heresy or sentenced to death. It may have been appropriate for those times under the circumstances and all, but we can see today how the secrecy has become a vital component of the occult and has evolved into a negative thing. The thing is, most Freemasons are victims and haven't a clue about who ultimately runs this whole entire brotherhood/fraternity. Many Freemasons are just normal people like you and me who want to learn certain things with like minded individuals and they find that within the fraternity they are not subjected to accusations of being luciferian or devil worshipers, etc, just for wanting to study the esoteric, ancient knowledge, and magick.

The main problem is they have been infiltrated at the highest ranks, just for a second; imagine Avalon was infiltrated at the highest level? (purely hypothetical), it is a bit similar to that. How do some outsiders view Avalon? "oh those nutjobs, spiritual nonsense, cults, truthers, ufo believers, disinfo agents".

Not exactly the same but there are situational similarities and thats my point.
Hope I'm making sense.

I was wondering whether your friend ever talked about this...

Majorion · 03-08-2010, 07:08 PM

Yeah, he talked about these things when the Mason subject were brought up, but I never directly asked him a question like that might come off a little offensive. My personal experience has lead me to keep an open mind in all situations and especially when I'm an outsider... we will never know exactly what its like on the 'inside' cause we've never been in there... people are much more "willing to talk" when we aren't so presumptuous... I still have many questions, but the most important ones; I feel I got the answers.

12-17-2009, 07:51 PM	#3
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Ok, so I'm watching the first part of the video series "The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 2009"....which I can already tell is Christian biased.. wherein they cite that the Illuminati & Freemasonry hold to the belief that Jesus is a personification of the sun itself (astrotheology), which was later distorted into Christian religious dogma as being a literal interpretaton that of the physical man Jesus was saviour. Ok I get that because I have read Acharya's book The Christ Conspiracy and, from my view, did a great job reducing all the world's religions to the same sources, that of sun god worship, study of the stars. Ex: IsRaEl, Isis, Ra the son God. Then this producer goes on to say that the Zeitgeist movies are an implant by the Illuminati to destroy Christianity because that religion is a rip off of the truth, that of celestial bodies including the sun. The producer of this film even uses Acharya as a source for backup support by citing her research showing that there is no evidence of FreeMasons in ancient times to support the theory that of sun god worship. HowEver... Acharya is not even an evemerist (someone who believes that Jesus existed but was not the son of God or the saviour), she stands that he never even existed at ALL. (the greatest story ever sold). So I think it's funny that he uses her material where it suits him. Acharya is not a new age junkie whatsoever. I think, in this short snippet, that this is a fundamental Christian trying to defend his Jesus (which I understand), as it has been devastating & crushing to many who have learned of this deception, which in my educated view, is true, Jesus is a myth. (don't jump on me guys, I'm just stating my view)... But this thing goes much further... because it goes into the stars as to our origins, that of off planet and has nothing to do with God, the ultimate creator. Anyone following me? It's apparent to me that this producer has it backwards. The Illuminati are not pee'd off w/Christianity because they stole their religion & twisted it up... the Illuminati are the ones that implanted the religions, all of them, to begin with in my view, causing division & warring to continue. As I mentioned earlier, I think, on this thread or the other one started w/Masons... check out keyofsolomon.com... this is getting REALLY good because I can see how the Illunimati will be exposed for having covered up the truth of our origins to begin with and the truth seeking christian may very well get their truth and they won"t like it one bit>>> what"s acharya"s saying: the truth will set you free but first it will **** you off. later... I have more to watch and more thinking to do. Last edited by Moxie; 03-09-2010 at 01:03 AM.

12-17-2009, 07:55 PM	#4
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell ps: why are some people allowed to write P*** (pee-pee slang) and mine gets censored?... there's your "click" for ya... later

02-10-2010, 02:11 AM	#6
MargueriteBee Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 216	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Unfortunately the videos have been removed.

02-10-2010, 08:06 AM	#7
truth and integrity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 169	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell You can still find it on Google when you type a title. Chris White, the author of “The infiltration of a New Age Movement”, also did “My rant to the truth movement” and “Debunking Jordan Maxwell by Chris White”. A year ago, I did not agree with him. However, after my research about Madame Blavatsky, Bailey, M.P. Hall to name a few, I am on the same page. Best regard,

02-10-2010, 10:20 AM	#8
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell The problem is "divide and conquer" theme, keep humas fighting each other while TPTB do their deeds behing the curtains. Yes, the masons are satanists and luciferianist and so are many churches, Kryst or Christ has nothing to do with either, is just the name of the first sound of creation Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La And yes, there seems to be a plot to keep us in the dark of what is really happening here and about to happen in 2012 We are being told by the New Age disinfomation that we are going to ascend just because they say so Even if we take the parts that are still authentic in the Bible and other texts, they all say that we have to change, they do not tell you how, but they all coincide that we are not fine just as we are and certainly not fit to live in higher worlds We just have to look around us to see that if society does not work is because the individuals that form it are disfunctional... We need to wake up and wise up as soon as possible, if we are interested in trascending this convoluted world in which we are dweling in this moment. All signs are there and it appears that the intentions of TPTB is to take us to a much worse paradigm; otherwise why will they take so much trouble in trying to keep us ignorant (amused with Tv, video games, reality shows etc, dog eat dog competition in workplace, school, sports etc) and drugged (with GMO foods, prozac, fluoride, etc? Love

02-10-2010, 02:51 PM	#9
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Brilliant post Stardust! Exactly! quote: The problem is "divide and conquer" theme. Stop with trying to publish which person is bogus or lieing... as they all can & do offer snippets to the big picture, the "parts that are still authentic". I think by now, we have a good grasp on what the big picture is. Do they offer you a WAY for true change? Maxwell has some great eye-openers, but does he ever tell you what he is doing to effect change other than exposing what is wrong? Awareness alone does not change anything!!! It does no good to KNOW what is screwed up if there is NO WAY to direct your energies toward change. Thank you Stardustacquarian, perhaps more people here might heed your beautiful direction! MIght want to buy the book "Dare To Prepare" also.

03-07-2010, 10:39 PM	#10
Traverser Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Where I'm Supposed To Be - Scotland Posts: 72	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Greeting to you All, Not posted in some months, but I have been looking in when time allowed. Well, Talk about synchronicities! Firstly, I'd been thinking about this very subject over the past while and how the New Age Movement could be the New World Religion. When I came across this... The New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement 1 of 9 I searched Avalon and came across this thread by seashore. I don't mind saying. This is really giving me food for thought... Be really intereted in what y'all think..? Namaste, Trav.

03-07-2010, 11:34 PM	#11
Mercuriel Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 362	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell I always find that Knowledge is Power and removes the need for Blind Faith of anything. Once One knows - One simply knows. In this Spirit of this and that alone I place it so They can read for Themselves if They wish to. Please find linked in My Reply the following two Books... *Manly P Hall - The Lost Keys of Freemasonry - Or - The Secret of Hiram Abiff* The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff by Manly P. Hall And... *The Secret Teachings of All Ages* The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall Now that We have the two Books linked above - This Discussion can continue in an Academic fashion - With the appropriate Documents placed into the Arena for disection of pertinent facts - About the above Teachings - If necessary...

03-08-2010, 04:22 PM	#14
MichalPtacnik Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 16	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Addendum: You either seek God earnestly, and want to participate in His plan, or you do not and instead seek something of this world. The former, in whatever garb they are clad, will be the true Initiates, whereas the latter will be invariably drawn by the powers of their soul to their real, temporal goals. Last edited by MichalPtacnik; 03-08-2010 at 04:30 PM.

03-09-2010, 01:21 AM	#16
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell I don't see that it matters much what affiliation one might have with another. There is much to be learned even tho you might disagree philosophically with someone... did not Maxwell inherit Hall's library? THAT is a big deal!!! Even lawyers in a courtroom of law fight each other to win and then shake hands afterwards and have lunch together & a drink... so what's the problem? One's own enemy can be the most valuable tool to learn. Maxwell has done a great job revealing symbolics & the sources to religions & law etc... just an amazing job. Why must we dissect his philosophy and who his friends are?... does that dismiss his work exposing esoterics? I think not. The message or the messenger, that is the question.

03-08-2010, 05:30 PM	#19
Majorion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ∞ Posts: 654	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell I've known a gentleman before who was a Freemason and we were friends for a while, I learned more from this man than probably anyone I've ever met before and he was a very cordial and polite individual, in terms of what these people are learning behind the scenes, being 'initiated' and all that, he both gave me a new perspective and confirmed some of my long held suspicions about the occult. He was no different than many of us here that have an interest in studying esoteric subjects and the like. Re the topic of "profanes", it is true some of them view others that way, but definitely not all of them.

03-08-2010, 07:08 PM	#23
Majorion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ∞ Posts: 654	Re: The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell Yeah, he talked about these things when the Mason subject were brought up, but I never directly asked him a question like that might come off a little offensive. My personal experience has lead me to keep an open mind in all situations and especially when I'm an outsider... we will never know exactly what its like on the 'inside' cause we've never been in there... people are much more "willing to talk" when we aren't so presumptuous... I still have many questions, but the most important ones; I feel I got the answers.