The Freemasons - "The Profane" - Manly P. Hall - Jordan Maxwell

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I've known a gentleman before who was a Freemason and we were friends for a while, I learned more from this man than probably anyone I've ever met before and he was a very cordial and polite individual, in terms of what these people are learning behind the scenes, being 'initiated' and all that, he both gave me a new perspective and confirmed some of my long held suspicions about the occult. He was no different than many of us here that have an interest in studying esoteric subjects and the like.

Re the topic of "profanes", it is true some of them view others that way, but definitely not all of them.

Did he ever tell you why they insist on being secret?

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Did he ever tell you why they insist on being secret?

Hiyas Seashore, my understanding is that secrecy was necessary for them in those "olden" days where they would have either been convicted of heresy or sentenced to death. It may have been appropriate for those times under the circumstances and all, but we can see today how the secrecy has become a vital component of the occult and has evolved into a negative thing. The thing is, most Freemasons are victims and haven't a clue about who ultimately runs this whole entire brotherhood/fraternity. Many Freemasons are just normal people like you and me who want to learn certain things with like minded individuals and they find that within the fraternity they are not subjected to accusations of being luciferian or devil worshipers, etc, just for wanting to study the esoteric, ancient knowledge, and magick.

The main problem is they have been infiltrated at the highest ranks, just for a second; imagine Avalon was infiltrated at the highest level? (purely hypothetical), it is a bit similar to that. How do some outsiders view Avalon? "oh those nutjobs, spiritual nonsense, cults, truthers, ufo believers, disinfo agents".

Not exactly the same but there are situational similarities and thats my point.
Hope I'm making sense.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Hiyas Seashore, my understanding is that secrecy was necessary for them in those "olden" days where they would have either been convicted of heresy or sentenced to death. It may have been appropriate for those times under the circumstances and all, but we can see today how the secrecy has become a vital component of the occult and has evolved into a negative thing. The thing is, most Freemasons are victims and haven't a clue about who ultimately runs this whole entire brotherhood/fraternity. Many Freemasons are just normal people like you and me who want to learn certain things with like minded individuals and they find that within the fraternity they are not subjected to accusations of being luciferian or devil worshipers, etc, just for wanting to study the esoteric, ancient knowledge, and magick.

The main problem is they have been infiltrated at the highest ranks, just for a second; imagine Avalon was infiltrated at the highest level? (purely hypothetical), it is a bit similar to that. How do some outsiders view Avalon? "oh those nutjobs, spiritual nonsense, cults, truthers, ufo believers, disinfo agents".

Not exactly the same but there are situational similarities and thats my point.
Hope I'm making sense.

I was wondering whether your friend ever talked about this...

[Majorion]

Yeah, he talked about these things when the Mason subject were brought up, but I never directly asked him a question like that might come off a little offensive. My personal experience has lead me to keep an open mind in all situations and especially when I'm an outsider... we will never know exactly what its like on the 'inside' cause we've never been in there... people are much more "willing to talk" when we aren't so presumptuous... I still have many questions, but the most important ones; I feel I got the answers.