October Surprise

joet1980 · 10-20-2008, 01:50 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

My theory is Hillary will become president.

2+2=5 · 10-20-2008, 03:07 AM

At first I was pretty sure George W. would find a way to stay president, that however is looking less and less likely. I think Obama is going to win it, pending some kind of event.

Interesting times indeed.

munkey · 10-20-2008, 03:19 AM

different puppets, same puppeteers

NeoEmc2 · 10-20-2008, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joet1980

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

My theory is Hillary will become president.

Do people actually believe this c rap??

munkey · 10-20-2008, 03:28 AM

I would go as far as Palin after McCain dies during his acceptance speach.

http://io9.com/5058447/homer-votes-f...ins-death-bots

Koyaanisqatsi · 10-20-2008, 03:34 AM

does it matter who is president?

is america democratic?

does our government respect our wishes?

has the governments machinations influenced all the peoples hearts?

are the people waking up?

does it matter who is president?

Frank Samuel · 10-20-2008, 03:39 AM

Hey I heard Obama was hynotizing people at the rallies, so here's my take

vote for Obama !!! Did it work ? Did not think so !!!

runcable · 10-20-2008, 04:09 AM

If there are truely people "pulling the strings" and the President Elect is a farse, I would still vote for the candidate who I thought would be best for the country and quite possibly the planet in the HOPE that I am wrong.

I'm not saying that there aren't people behind the scenes calling the shots but deep inside, I don't want to believe that. Vote with the best of intentions and react appropriately as reality unfolds.

DoctorWho · 10-20-2008, 05:17 AM

Vote Ralph Nader if you don't want McCain or Obama. People still have this stigma about 3rd parties. It's time to shoot that line of thinking down and bring it to the forefront.
Bill "the Doctor"

Brinty · 10-20-2008, 05:44 AM

I'm reminded of a situation years ago in little old New Zealand. Local council elections were approaching and in one of the counties on the outskirts of Auckland city, the sitting mayor was not the flavour of the month and his main opposition was not much better liked. A young tearaway who was a bit of a rebel and public nuisance threw his hat into the ring. Come election day and some of the voters thought they would give the mayor a fright by voting for the least likely candidate. When the counting was over, bless my soul if this young tearaway hadn't stolen the mayor's majority. It was a landslide victory. This fellow knew as much about council matters as I do about flying a UFO BUT in the following election, he got the mayor's job again so he must have learnt pretty quickly.

He missed out on the next election but I heard that he then moved down to the South Island and picked up one of the mayor's jobs down there. So it just goes to show what power the disgruntled voter has.

Humble Janitor · 10-20-2008, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

Do people actually believe this c rap??

Unfortunately, yes.

I propose a ban on the use of the phrase "October Surprise" at least until October is over.

joet1980 · 10-20-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

Do people actually believe this c rap??

Thanks for the contribution. We could use more intelligence like this.

Ali Quadir · 10-20-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joet1980

Thanks for the contribution. We could use more intelligence like this.

Here's my contribution..
He founded a movie company named "Illuminati pictures"
That triggered my "Whoa reflex"...
He claims he's independant but always works on conservative projects...
So that makes him a liar..
He believes abortion is the most important issue on the american political agenda...
That shows clearly his agenda is fundamentalist christian.
He has the word ZEALOT tattood on his right forearm in old english!!!
Can you hear the sirens going off? Danger Will Robinson !!!

Zealot is defined as "a fervent and even militant proponent of something"... In this case obviously his Christian right winged principles. The man is clearly not interested in the truth, only in his own right wing Christian agenda....

in case of doubt....

The guy is pathetic... Don't take him serious...
If I can do this in 5 minutes.. Obama's guys can rip him to shreds...

Now can we forget about this. eh... man?

malcolmpearson · 10-20-2008, 04:40 PM

This is a very interesting interview. Going back many months Bill and Kerry did an interview where it was stated that Hilary Clinton was going to be elected president and I remember Bill saying "You heard it here first".

I had thought that Barak Obama would be assasinated but perhaps 'they' don't want the intrigue of other assasination in the public arena and so they are moving towards their goal via another route. This would make sense.

Let's see what develops. This is a good post. Thanks to JOET1980

Waterman · 10-20-2008, 04:57 PM

Actually there is an interesting position being taken by astologers that Hillary could take a very powerful position in this up coming election. I don't think that they say president but some type of position that let's her manifest the bad side of her scorpio sign.

Maybe she will be head of homeland security for Obama....

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 10-20-2008, 05:53 PM

didnt burisch say that if hillary got into the top job we are screwed.. ?? maybe we just get haarped or terrorised pre election or jsut in between the facrce of GW stepping down and nobama starting up..

so many things can happen, im out of the matrix so i occassionally dip in to see what i should be doing next to stay one step ahead.. just like reading tv paper to what comes next as jones says..
be preprared for anything and everythingthat you have heard may happen imo.. im almost totally prepared for anything.. just food to get now.. nik naks for wilderness preparedness, fire lighters and tools, then warm clothing

Myra · 10-20-2008, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

Here's my contribution..
He founded a movie company named "Illuminati pictures"
That triggered my "Whoa reflex"...
He claims he's independant but always works on conservative projects...
So that makes him a liar..
He believes abortion is the most important issue on the american political agenda...
That shows clearly his agenda is fundamentalist christian.
He has the word ZEALOT tattood on his right forearm in old english!!!
Can you hear the sirens going off? Danger Will Robinson !!!

Zealot is defined as "a fervent and even militant proponent of something"... In this case obviously his Christian right winged principles. The man is clearly not interested in the truth, only in his own right wing Christian agenda....

in case of doubt....

The guy is pathetic... Don't take him serious...
If I can do this in 5 minutes.. Obama's guys can rip him to shreds...

Now can we forget about this. eh... man?

Yeah that lawyer is extremely annoying to say the least.

Seems like the only best thing he is good at doing is running his mouth.

It's a bogus lawsuit that will not work.

joe2288 · 10-20-2008, 06:42 PM

all ive got to say is the peson who said hillary was gonna be president needs some help about how politics work

TAXMASTER · 10-20-2008, 06:48 PM

i too think that anything is possible this year. how many times have you heard that this is the most important presidential race in some time? it's rockefeller obama verses rothchild mccain....anything is possible/probable. could it be that rockefeller may have overlooked the birth certificate issue or thought that base had been covered before he put his eggs into barack's basket? here is some food for thought....remember the army brigade being called home to be assigned to homeland security? what do you think will happen if at the last minute, the court rules that obama is not eligible to run for president or maybe find that after he is elected he is not eligible to be president? don't you think that the black voter will feel like they have been cheated by the system again. if you think the rodney king riots were bad just wait and see how they react to that.

another food for thought. i always thought it was a little strange how hillary refused to release and let her delagates go and vote for obama before the convention as other candidates had done in the past. i told my wife that i bet there is some kind of rule that if something happens to obama before the election or is somehow deemmed to be ineligible, then hillary would automatically take his place. (it may be a nonissue but if she would have released them then the democratic national committee could name who they wanted to replace obama.)

Namaste'

Greg10036 · 10-20-2008, 07:00 PM

You bring up some good point TAXMASTER. There are currently two law suits filed against Obama regarding his birth certificate, or lack of it. I have always thought that should McCain be elected, he would choose someone outside the loop as his VP to take over after perhaps a year in office. That this will be his legacy and he can at least leave congress as the leper with the most fingers. I think this is a legacy issue for McCain. I am glad you noticed she has yet to release her delegates to Obama. This is very interesting. Also of note was the stumping of McCain by the Clintons for a while. Then after the not so secret meeting between Bill Clinton and Obama, the Clintons started stumping for Obama and the Rothschilds started stumping for McCain. Noam Chomsky said we have one party and two factions, which is a dangerous situation. Peace.
g.

TAXMASTER · 10-20-2008, 07:31 PM

it wasn't but a couple weeks ago that clinton and mccain were at the same fundraiser and bill introduced mccain and called him a great american and a good friend. i thought it was a little too chummy for an election year.

Namaste'

NeoEmc2 · 10-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAXMASTER

i too think that anything is possible this year. how many times have you heard that this is the most important presidential race in some time? it's rockefeller obama verses rothchild mccain....anything is possible/probable. could it be that rockefeller may have overlooked the birth certificate issue or thought that base had been covered before he put his eggs into barack's basket? here is some food for thought....remember the army brigade being called home to be assigned to homeland security? what do you think will happen if at the last minute, the court rules that obama is not eligible to run for president or maybe find that after he is elected he is not eligible to be president? don't you think that the black voter will feel like they have been cheated by the system again. if you think the rodney king riots were bad just wait and see how they react to that.

I sure hope nothing like this happens. If it does, it will be one ugly scene country-wide. It would definitely suck.

10-20-2008, 07:44 PM

Honestly, I have never counted Hillary out. I don't know why but I just don't believe O'Bama will be in Oval Office. It's like it's playing out too easily for him. Not that all elections aren't staged but this one is so obvious. Guess we'll know soon enough.

peace,
julie

10-20-2008, 07:51 PM

I have a question for the group. Let's say O'Bama wins the election. Then he's President-Elect. Now until he's sworn in W is still steering the ship, right? So what would keep him (W) from declaring martial law after the election? Thanks for you input.

peace,
julie

deb003 · 10-20-2008, 08:22 PM

Hi Julie,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the next presidency would officially begin on January 2009???

I also need clarification but I think that's how it works...

10-20-2008, 01:50 AM	#1
joet1980 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 23	October Surprise http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w My theory is Hillary will become president.

10-20-2008, 03:07 AM	#2
2+2=5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 11	Re: October Surprise At first I was pretty sure George W. would find a way to stay president, that however is looking less and less likely. I think Obama is going to win it, pending some kind of event. Interesting times indeed.

10-20-2008, 03:19 AM	#3
munkey Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: just outside the box next to the box you where thinking outside of Posts: 143	Re: October Surprise different puppets, same puppeteers

10-20-2008, 03:28 AM	#5
munkey Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: just outside the box next to the box you where thinking outside of Posts: 143	Re: October Surprise I would go as far as Palin after McCain dies during his acceptance speach. http://io9.com/5058447/homer-votes-f...ins-death-bots

10-20-2008, 03:34 AM	#6
Koyaanisqatsi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: lake pontchartrain Posts: 125	Re: October Surprise does it matter who is president? is america democratic? does our government respect our wishes? has the governments machinations influenced all the peoples hearts? are the people waking up? does it matter who is president?

10-20-2008, 03:39 AM	#7
Frank Samuel Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: i live in puerto rico Posts: 643	Re: October Surprise Hey I heard Obama was hynotizing people at the rallies, so here's my take vote for Obama !!! Did it work ? Did not think so !!!

10-20-2008, 04:09 AM	#8
runcable Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	Re: October Surprise If there are truely people "pulling the strings" and the President Elect is a farse, I would still vote for the candidate who I thought would be best for the country and quite possibly the planet in the HOPE that I am wrong. I'm not saying that there aren't people behind the scenes calling the shots but deep inside, I don't want to believe that. Vote with the best of intentions and react appropriately as reality unfolds.

10-20-2008, 05:17 AM	#9
DoctorWho Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central, IL Posts: 395	Re: October Surprise Vote Ralph Nader if you don't want McCain or Obama. People still have this stigma about 3rd parties. It's time to shoot that line of thinking down and bring it to the forefront. Bill "the Doctor"

10-20-2008, 05:44 AM	#10
Brinty Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Blackbutt, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,004	Re: October Surprise I'm reminded of a situation years ago in little old New Zealand. Local council elections were approaching and in one of the counties on the outskirts of Auckland city, the sitting mayor was not the flavour of the month and his main opposition was not much better liked. A young tearaway who was a bit of a rebel and public nuisance threw his hat into the ring. Come election day and some of the voters thought they would give the mayor a fright by voting for the least likely candidate. When the counting was over, bless my soul if this young tearaway hadn't stolen the mayor's majority. It was a landslide victory. This fellow knew as much about council matters as I do about flying a UFO BUT in the following election, he got the mayor's job again so he must have learnt pretty quickly. He missed out on the next election but I heard that he then moved down to the South Island and picked up one of the mayor's jobs down there. So it just goes to show what power the disgruntled voter has.

10-20-2008, 04:40 PM	#14
malcolmpearson Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hornsea, East Yorkshire, UK Posts: 7	Re: October Surprise This is a very interesting interview. Going back many months Bill and Kerry did an interview where it was stated that Hilary Clinton was going to be elected president and I remember Bill saying "You heard it here first". I had thought that Barak Obama would be assasinated but perhaps 'they' don't want the intrigue of other assasination in the public arena and so they are moving towards their goal via another route. This would make sense. Let's see what develops. This is a good post. Thanks to JOET1980

10-20-2008, 04:57 PM	#15
Waterman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 345	Re: October Surprise Actually there is an interesting position being taken by astologers that Hillary could take a very powerful position in this up coming election. I don't think that they say president but some type of position that let's her manifest the bad side of her scorpio sign. Maybe she will be head of homeland security for Obama....

10-20-2008, 05:53 PM	#16
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: October Surprise didnt burisch say that if hillary got into the top job we are screwed.. ?? maybe we just get haarped or terrorised pre election or jsut in between the facrce of GW stepping down and nobama starting up.. so many things can happen, im out of the matrix so i occassionally dip in to see what i should be doing next to stay one step ahead.. just like reading tv paper to what comes next as jones says.. be preprared for anything and everythingthat you have heard may happen imo.. im almost totally prepared for anything.. just food to get now.. nik naks for wilderness preparedness, fire lighters and tools, then warm clothing

10-20-2008, 06:42 PM	#18
joe2288 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Illinois USA Posts: 652	Re: October Surprise all ive got to say is the peson who said hillary was gonna be president needs some help about how politics work

10-20-2008, 06:48 PM	#19
TAXMASTER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 117	Re: October Surprise i too think that anything is possible this year. how many times have you heard that this is the most important presidential race in some time? it's rockefeller obama verses rothchild mccain....anything is possible/probable. could it be that rockefeller may have overlooked the birth certificate issue or thought that base had been covered before he put his eggs into barack's basket? here is some food for thought....remember the army brigade being called home to be assigned to homeland security? what do you think will happen if at the last minute, the court rules that obama is not eligible to run for president or maybe find that after he is elected he is not eligible to be president? don't you think that the black voter will feel like they have been cheated by the system again. if you think the rodney king riots were bad just wait and see how they react to that. another food for thought. i always thought it was a little strange how hillary refused to release and let her delagates go and vote for obama before the convention as other candidates had done in the past. i told my wife that i bet there is some kind of rule that if something happens to obama before the election or is somehow deemmed to be ineligible, then hillary would automatically take his place. (it may be a nonissue but if she would have released them then the democratic national committee could name who they wanted to replace obama.) Namaste'

10-20-2008, 07:00 PM	#20
Greg10036 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 144	Re: October Surprise You bring up some good point TAXMASTER. There are currently two law suits filed against Obama regarding his birth certificate, or lack of it. I have always thought that should McCain be elected, he would choose someone outside the loop as his VP to take over after perhaps a year in office. That this will be his legacy and he can at least leave congress as the leper with the most fingers. I think this is a legacy issue for McCain. I am glad you noticed she has yet to release her delegates to Obama. This is very interesting. Also of note was the stumping of McCain by the Clintons for a while. Then after the not so secret meeting between Bill Clinton and Obama, the Clintons started stumping for Obama and the Rothschilds started stumping for McCain. Noam Chomsky said we have one party and two factions, which is a dangerous situation. Peace. g.

10-20-2008, 07:31 PM	#21
TAXMASTER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 117	Re: October Surprise it wasn't but a couple weeks ago that clinton and mccain were at the same fundraiser and bill introduced mccain and called him a great american and a good friend. i thought it was a little too chummy for an election year. Namaste'

10-20-2008, 07:44 PM	#23
CosmicFever Guest Posts: n/a	Re: October Surprise Honestly, I have never counted Hillary out. I don't know why but I just don't believe O'Bama will be in Oval Office. It's like it's playing out too easily for him. Not that all elections aren't staged but this one is so obvious. Guess we'll know soon enough. peace, julie

10-20-2008, 07:51 PM	#24
CosmicFever Guest Posts: n/a	Re: October Surprise I have a question for the group. Let's say O'Bama wins the election. Then he's President-Elect. Now until he's sworn in W is still steering the ship, right? So what would keep him (W) from declaring martial law after the election? Thanks for you input. peace, julie

10-20-2008, 08:22 PM	#25
deb003 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 297	Re: October Surprise Hi Julie, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the next presidency would officially begin on January 2009??? I also need clarification but I think that's how it works...