WingMakers Transformation

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

I stoped believing in the wingmakers material when I read in the second interview with Dr. Neruda that the Bush senior's New World Order is what they want to this world.
Read it in the second interview!

The people must know these kind of information about wingmakers.

Cheers

Hi Ashatav,

Dr Neruda, didn't want Bush's New World Order. Read it again -- carefully.

Also the WingMakers material is not something to be believed in, it is not a new religion of any sort. It is something for people so inclined to research into for where it will lead them. Since it is a mixture of fact and fiction and referred to as a myth (in the modern Joseph Campbell sense of the word) it is a catalyst for change and evolution not something to just be believed in.

Chris

[Gnosis5]

Chris, I agree. CAVEAT EMPTOR with anything that comes from exterior viewpoints. I always assume any higher level being has some personal issues, simply because I have yet to meet one who did not. As all of us would agree, none of us is perfect, not even the Wingmakers or the Central Race.

Anyone who emphasizes that one learns to access truth from oneself is being of service. I could perhaps have chosen the guru path, but I choose to honor the font of truth within the individual. Exterior viewpoints simply give me ideas for my "truthing" path.

NWO gets a bad name because it has not proceeded from pure hearts. Enough people need to let go of their greeds and compulsions before any type of government will work. In fact, no government is necessary when beings are truly egalitarian. I am sure those anonymous higher level beings can conceive of this at some point in our re-development.

[becky]

Thank you for the depth of the responses here. It is food for me right now.

Sending golden love and compassion,
Becky

[Gnosis5]

Aaaahhhhh, thank you, I needed that golden love and compassion, thank you.

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

Hi Ashatav,

Dr Neruda, didn't want Bush's New World Order. Read it again -- carefully.

Also the WingMakers material is not something to be believed in, it is not a new religion of any sort. It is something for people so inclined to research into for where it will lead them. Since it is a mixture of fact and fiction and referred to as a myth (in the modern Joseph Campbell sense of the word) it is a catalyst for change and evolution not something to just be believed in.

Chris

Let's put the part of the interview in question

First, I put that Neruda says that the Wingmakes want the New World Order, I didn't say Neruda want NWO.

Second, if all the people in the world is perfect a global order will work, otherwise NOT, it just make a world incapable of oposing a global totalitarian state.

Let's see...


Sarah: "I also read the memo that Dr. Sauthers [a colleague of Dr. Neruda] wrote about a global culture being an outcome of this technology from the WingMakers' sites. But how could these objects be used to build a global culture? It seems a little naive to me."

Dr. Neruda: "All I can tell you is that it's related to the Internet and a new communication technology that the WingMakers referred to as OLIN or the One Language Intelligent Network. If you read the glossary section that I left behind, you'll see it referenced there. The WingMakers seem to feel confident that the OLIN technology will help create the global culture through the Internet. This incidentally is consistent with prophecies that the Labyrinth Group was privy to dating as far back as 1,500 years ago. Of course the enabling technology wasn't called OLIN, but the notion of a global culture and unified governance has been predicted for many centuries."

Sarah: "[COLOR="Red"]This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it? [/COLOR]

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."

Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime."

Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

Sarah: "And as you said last night, this is supposed to occur in 2018?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to prophecy, that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerful, centralized authority, but rather a global public policy decision and enforcement organization for issues that effect the world at large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, terrorism, trade, commerce, OLIN technology upgrades, and general technology transfer programs."

Sarah: "So what will happen to National sovereignty in this new role of the United Nations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm willing to answer your question in the form of a speculative response, but I'm also aware that you had asked me at the outset of this interview to remind you if you got off course. What would you like --"

Sarah: No, you're absolutely right. Sorry. Let's go back to the artifacts--what was the condition of the site when you first entered--or better still, why don't you just describe your first encounter going inside the site."

Cheers and judge by yourselve.

[Gnosis5]

I guess it depends on how important "National Sovereignty" is to you as a spiritual being having a human experience :-)

[TruthWillSetUFree]

The Wingmakers material resonated very deeply with me as does Lyricus and I meditate at the event temples a few times daily.

I do not see myself writing a paper like you did, I did purchase yours by the way chamber 17, it was excellent, very well done and informative. It enabled me to view the painting in an entirely new way. Thank you.

How can one continue to evolve with the materials without doing an in depth paper?

In the first discourse, it said we are not able to have transformative experiences in our human instrument.

Teacher: Haven't I just told you you cannot experience this state in the human instrument?
From Lyricus First discourse

So if we are not able to have them, how can we/you have the kundalini experience you spoke of?
I have been working on attaining this state for years, not to have it like a prize rather as a consequence from all the work I do on my shadow aspects, letting go all that is not me, or my pure state, to transcend my ego, but now I am confused hearing this.

I know it is not something we earn or work for it sort of just happens. It should also not be the focus of ones spiritual practice, But why does Lyricus state that it is impossible?

Also, I have a feeling that James is Dr Neruda. Have you ever felt that too?

I hope to hear from you soon.

Love & Light

[TruthWillSetUFree]

One more thing. In another Wingmakers thread there is a copy of the interview with Dr Neruda concerning the plans of the NWO.

When the interviewer pressed further with the question, Dr Neruda changed the subject.

This is worrisome to me that he didn't give any sort of response.

In an age where there is so much disinformation I feel this should be cleared up once and for all, especially for the people who support Wingmaker's.

It is not uncommon to hear about many different religions and organizations where the members at the bottom think it is a legitimate only to find the members at the top belong to secret societies and work against the common good of man and their freedom.

Thank you for your time

I would hate to think this of Wingmaker's but everything should be questioned since we have been so grossly misled with just about everything.

[Gnosis5]

Yes, I have experienced what you brought up. Last night I listened to the James Interviews. He postulates that the consciousnesses that he is interacting with are merely our "quantum selves".

The only defense against this possibility is to carefully look for the tiniest, often overlooked details, such as what you brought up. If you watch the Ben Fulford interview of David Rockefeller you will catch on. Also, non-responses need to be looked at too, because often that is the area of deepest abberration in an individual.

However, the BEST DEFENSE, is to develop your own ability to go and look for yourself. You might need a facilitator -- I'm lucky to have my husband.

In the James Interview I took what rang true to me and the rest I simply lightly took it in. The best disinformation artists skillfully mix truth with mix-ups.

My motto: Take the Goodies and run!!!

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

One more thing. In another Wingmakers thread there is a copy of the interview with Dr Neruda concerning the plans of the NWO.

When the interviewer pressed further with the question, Dr Neruda changed the subject.

This is worrisome to me that he didn't give any sort of response.

In an age where there is so much disinformation I feel this should be cleared up once and for all, especially for the people who support Wingmaker's.

It is not uncommon to hear about many different religions and organizations where the members at the bottom think it is a legitimate only to find the members at the top belong to secret societies and work against the common good of man and their freedom.

Thank you for your time

I would hate to think this of Wingmaker's but everything should be questioned since we have been so grossly misled with just about everything.

[Gnosis5]

Re the James Interviews: http://www.wingmakers.com/whats-new.html


James did put some emphasis on people following some sort of "clearing" path or process or methodology, and he left the details up to the individual. That felt like a big gap to me, but I understand his reluctance to specifically endorse any one process because there are many.

Right off the top of my head, some effective clearing methodologies are the meridian-based processes such as EFT and PEAT. Other clearing methodologies are Mace Method, R3X, Idenics -- I call this category the "psychotechs", or identity management processes.

I know personally that all of the above methodologies work when applied correctly, but EFT is probably the easiest because all of the others require two people working together.

A real simple semi-clearing trick is to give a neutral acknowledgement when one experiences a negative reaction to something or someone. For example, "I acknowledge that I'm afraid". Be as specific as possible.

The man who interviewed James, IMHO, has a very valid concern that people might not be able to immediately do what James says we must do, and that is my ongoing concern. Even, myself, as wholehearted and devoted as I am to clearing myself, I cannot do all of the things that James admonishes us, but I do notice that I am "getting there" due to having my weekly R3X sessions.

Can anyone else add to this short list of clearing methods?

[TruthWillSetUFree]

In the James Interview I took what rang true to me and the rest I simply lightly took it in. The best disinformation artists skillfully mix truth with mix-ups.

My motto: Take the Goodies and run!!! [/QUOTE]

Good advice Gnosis, I agree.

I use, "By their fruits you shall know them" unfortunately "fruits" can be what is purposely put out there as propaganda, such as the Bill Gates Foundation then the conspiracy theories of these organizations reveals them as fronts for eugenics programs.

The one flaw in the human being is not being able to tell truth from falsehood.

As one opens the third eye in spiritual discernment we see all is of God and all a part of the plan for evolution. Still for me, continually choosing to be of the light, I must know that whatever I am affiliated with or choose to allow into my auric field is pure in heart, word and deed.

We are always in the process of change and as such a one world government is not a bad idea per se IF all are able to remain free individuals.
It is only because of what we have heard regarding the United Nations as being luciferic that we oppose a one world government. I think anything can be either good or bad depending on who is running the show and what their intentions are.

It was from this perspective, given the content of all three websites, that I continued my 'faith' in it as 'good' for the planet.

I am interested in what Chris has to say on this.

In Love & Light

[Emman]

I came upon the Wingmakers site over three years ago. I felt a strong urging that made me seek out this information. I wasn't looking for the Wingmakers per se. I came upon it in my searching. Immediately, I was drawn in to the website and spent several months reading everything possible on that site. I even purchased Chamber 3 painting and had it framed and put on the wall in my house. I think that my experience with getting to know the Wingmakers materials was the start of a stage of an awareness that has blossomed to where I am at now.

After some months I began to have doubt about the Wingmakers. There were people who were saying that the original Wingmakers site changed into something else. It was "hijacked" according to people who followed the original 1998 website. I wasn't sure. I began to wonder if this were true. I began to wonder if this was a misinformation site designed to lead you down a false path. I began taking apart the Neruda interviews and Ancient Arrow Book to see if there was any hint of deception. Neruda spoke about the Incunabula in a way that appeared sympathetic towards it. I'm not sure if the Incunabula is the illuminati. I was thinking that it is (don't know). And if so, I found it disturbing Neruda was painting this cabal in a benevolent way. So, basically, after months of studying Wingmakers/Lyricus materials, I moved on, didn't look back, and didn't talk about it anymore with friends. Since that time of now three years I have been in this state of transforming my views of the world. I know the world is not as it seems. The journey has brought me here to Avalon via Project Camelot and countless other sites and sources for information, inspiration, and sobering reality. It continues.

I have come back to the Wingmakers recently. I listened to the interviews of James that were made in April this year. Just a week ago I listened to the third and last interview James gave. I must say that in spite of whatever doubts I have, I was very moved by it. I felt a deep resonance with what he said. Hearing him speak and listening to the eloquence of his answers to the interviewer's questions really had an impact for me. In a sort of long wide arc, I have come back to the Wingmakers site again to revisit it. This time with a new perspective and shift from where I used to be. The Event Temples is something I briefly glanced at when introduced about a couple years ago. I recently registered and will participate in it. In a way, the Event Temples is really similar in purpose to Project Avalon. It's a gathering of people who resonate with the material but want to shift the consciousness of humanity to the next stage of evolution.

Right now, I am open once again to the teaching of Lyricus/Wingmakers. I am less open now to channeled messages in general. Instead of trying to split hairs in the details of the mythological Ancient Arrow Book and Neruda interviews, I am allowing myself to open up to the broader concepts that resonate deep within me.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Enman-

I don't know if you have read my posts regarding the sites but I too believe they are 'good' too.

I still would like a definitive answer to the NWO and United Nations references just for my own piece of mind. In light of what all of us here have been through in having everything we believed in stripped away, I believe it is of utmost importance.

I believe darkness can be transformed into light and believe this is primarily what the meditations are for, transferring healing energy to the grid of the planet and all its inhabitants.

I read what your post referred to and believe James explained why they put out a 'condensed' version because of people stealing the information and making it their own, as time went on they could add more to the true story as people were more receptive to it and the ones who stole it had an incomplete version. This made sense to me.

I can also see having compassion for the Illuminati instead of fear or hate because the negative is acting as a catalyst for change/evolution, still with all this in consideration, I would like a straight answer!

[Emman]

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

Enman-

I don't know if you have read my posts regarding the sites but I too believe they are 'good' too.

I still would like a definitive answer to the NWO and United Nations references just for my own piece of mind. In light of what all of us here have been through in having everything we believed in stripped away, I believe it is of utmost importance.

I believe darkness can be transformed into light and believe this is primarily what the meditations are for, transferring healing energy to the grid of the planet and all its inhabitants.

I read what your post referred to and believe James explained why they put out a 'condensed' version because of people stealing the information and making it their own, as time went on they could add more to the true story as people were more receptive to it and the ones who stole it had an incomplete version. This made sense to me.

I can also see having compassion for the Illuminati instead of fear or hate because the negative is acting as a catalyst for change/evolution, still with all this in consideration, I would like a straight answer!

I just reread the last half of the 4th Neruda interview. Funny how I just randomly clicked the link and started reading. I think I may have found the explanation you are looking for regarding the NWO, UN, globalization, etc.
Here is the last statement Neruda made in the 4th interview:

Sarah: “Anything you want to say before we sign off?”


Dr. Neruda: “Yes.


“If you, the reader, wonder how the information I’ve presented about the Incunabula relates to all of the various conspiracy theories about the New World Order, intelligence community, Illuminati, Freemasonry, and all the other supposed clandestine organizations of the world, I would respectfully ask you to suspend your prior notions about the motivations of these various groups.


“These are not evil-minded organizations regardless of how some portray them. Their members have children and families just like you, and they take pleasure and disgust in the very same things as you do. They are humans with all the same weaknesses for vice and greed, but they also have a strong energy to improve the world, it is simply that their definition of what a better world is may differ from yours.


“If your interest is to conjure an antagonist for your amusement, that’s your prerogative. But the issues I’ve related tonight are too serious to be amusing. They are deserving of your attention and discernment. Do your own investigation into the energy supplies of our world. You may come up with different numbers than what I mentioned, but only because the technology of the ACIO is more advanced than the petroleum industry. Nonetheless, you’ll see confirmation of this general condition.


“Look at the current events of your time whenever you read this interview. You’ll see how this plan is progressing. It may seem to take detours, but the general course is what I’ve described. It is moving in this direction not out of accident or because of the whims of the world’s leaders, you can be sure. It is all part of the orchestration of events that are played out according to the well-designed blueprints of the Incunabula planners.


“You may feel a certain anguish that you’re being led to a future not of your choosing, but if you want to have influence, then you need to be educated and aware of the real forces that are defining your future. This is a free-will universe. There is no hierarchy of angelic beings guiding the destiny of earth. There is no ascended master who dictates the pathway to enlightenment for humanity or the individual.


“If you truly want to express and apply your freewill, make it a personal religion to know the facts. Learn how to look behind the stories that are being sold by the media and politicians, and form your own conclusions. Keep your doubt intact about everything you’re told from the political stage, especially when you’re induced to be patriotic. It is one of the clearest signals to be suspicious of what you’re being told.


“When enemies are created – especially new ones, be wary of the motivations of those who claim them to be enemies. Investigate the facts. Look under all the rocks and verify your evidence. Each of you must become investigators and learn the art of research and analytical study if you want to feel more a part of the movement to globalization.


“Your insights and understandings may not change humanity’s course one millimeter, but it will change your ability to feel a part of this migration and have a sense of where humanity is moving and why.


“And to those who prefer to strike out on their own path and believe that globalism is pure folly, I can only explain to you that it must happen. It is the outward expression of who we are and it is the natural progression of our species to unify around the inner essence of our identity, instead of the outer façade of our particular nation or religious belief.


“I believe everyone understands this to varying degrees, but it is the methods of this unification that concern people. And I share this concern. If we’re collectively informed about the plan and understand the end-goal is something that holds a great promise for humanity, we can pursue this goal with greater velocity and with added confidence that the methods will be in everyone’s best interest. This must be our goal.


“And finally, many of you may feel that globalization is a concept of the New World Order and therefore dismiss it as a movement borne out of greed and the lust for power. Yes, there are always those who will take advantage of this movement to achieve personal gain, but the reason to become a unified people on this earth is far greater than the personal gains of a few. Remember this as you read your conspiracy stories.


“I’m finished, Sarah. Thank you for your indulgence.”


Sarah: “Thank you for your comments.”


End of Session

[Gnosis5]

Perhaps the Ill-illumined know something we do not know and they are reacting to it and if we knew what they know then we might react the same too. History shows that none of us have been too good at solving problems.

For example, if you knew that you were in a big trap of someone else's design wouldn't you try to blow the trap up?

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Thanks Enman

This is why I kept having this niggling feeling that becoming global is not the enemy it is being purported to be. Thank you so much for posting that.

I have the First Source CD and where I got the interviews it only had three, is the 4th on the website?

Nancy- yes I can understand being out of body may be how the teacher is presenting that concept. Thank you for that.

In my own transformation I don't put much emphasis on experiencing anything as I am unattached from expectations. I have experienced many dimensions during my NDE and had the gift of experiencing a powerful energetic force within and why I was confused when it said the human instrument cannot experience this.
I continue working on myself to discard all that is not me through physical experiences and have learned much from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and through archetypal discovery of shadow aspects.

I too became my own teacher years ago as I knew I went as far as I could go with a teacher and the rest was on my own. I take information from those teachers that bring me back to my Self.

Gnosis I can totally relate and get my lessons daily from all the people in my lives who are a mirror in teaching me about myself!

Im sorry this is so rushed, I am going to the movies with my son to see The Changeling.

Much Love to all and thank you for such an enlightening conversation!

[Emman]

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

Thanks Enman

This is why I kept having this niggling feeling that becoming global is not the enemy it is being purported to be. Thank you so much for posting that.

I have the First Source CD and where I got the interviews it only had three, is the 4th on the website?

Nancy- yes I can understand being out of body may be how the teacher is presenting that concept. Thank you for that.

In my own transformation I don't put much emphasis on experiencing anything as I am unattached from expectations. I have experienced many dimensions during my NDE and had the gift of experiencing a powerful energetic force within and why I was confused when it said the human instrument cannot experience this.
I continue working on myself to discard all that is not me through physical experiences and have learned much from Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj and through archetypal discovery of shadow aspects.

I too became my own teacher years ago as I knew I went as far as I could go with a teacher and the rest was on my own. I take information from those teachers that bring me back to my Self.

Gnosis I can totally relate and get my lessons daily from all the people in my lives who are a mirror in teaching me about myself!

Im sorry this is so rushed, I am going to the movies with my son to see The Changeling.

Much Love to all and thank you for such an enlightening conversation!

Hi Truth,

Yes, the 4th interview is on the website. That 4th interview goes in depth about the PowersThatBe and what to expect in the next several years. That is now, since that interview was dated in 1997. It is very prescient to what is happening now. Neruda explains how the economy is going to fall. He nails it. It's what's going on now! I think that the last statement Neruda makes in the 4th and last interview is something to ponder:

“If you, the reader, wonder how the information I’ve presented about the Incunabula relates to all of the various conspiracy theories about the New World Order, intelligence community, Illuminati, Freemasonry, and all the other supposed clandestine organizations of the world, I would respectfully ask you to suspend your prior notions about the motivations of these various groups.


The thing about this viewpoint is that it is not in alignment with the voices of Jeff Rense, David Icke, Dr. Deagle, and the chorus of voices on Camelot and elsewhere that assumes that there is nothing but evil in the PTB's motives. It's a given that we've come to the conclusion that the illuminati, NWO, and their ilk are a bunch of Lucerferians/Satanists that want to reduce the human population 90 percent, destroying the Earth, and ultimately controling the remaining survivors. Neruda seems to be saying that not is all what it seems. Maybe the villains of our world are not as black and white as we believe them to be. I'm starting to feel that what I've invested myself in emotionally from the standpoint of certainty may not be so certain after all.

Neruda's sympathetic rendering of the core 5 of the Incunabula does throw me for a loop. But, as I reread his interview, he does not talk in absolutes. There are levels within these organizations that are populated with people with self-serving and evil motives. But, he believes that the top 5 of the Incunabula are enlightened and are really looking out for the highest good of humanity. I can't simply take his word on that. But, I may be able to suspend my prior notions about what I think globalization is.

Neruda ends the interview:

"And to those who prefer to strike out on their own path and believe that globalism is pure folly, I can only explain to you that it must happen. It is the outward expression of who we are and it is the natural progression of our species to unify around the inner essence of our identity, instead of the outer façade of our particular nation or religious belief.


“I believe everyone understands this to varying degrees, but it is the methods of this unification that concern people. And I share this concern. If we’re collectively informed about the plan and understand the end-goal is something that holds a great promise for humanity, we can pursue this goal with greater velocity and with added confidence that the methods will be in everyone’s best interest. This must be our goal.


“And finally, many of you may feel that globalization is a concept of the New World Order and therefore dismiss it as a movement borne out of greed and the lust for power. Yes, there are always those who will take advantage of this movement to achieve personal gain, but the reason to become a unified people on this earth is far greater than the personal gains of a few. Remember this as you read your conspiracy stories."

[Ashatav]

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I think it is wise advice to research everything and realize everyone has an agenda. Once an agenda is formulated and established, such as an Alex Jones or David Ick it is much more difficult for them to turn around and change their minds especially when their reputation and lively hood is attached to it.

This globalization will happen you can see it everywhere and why the world is going through economic upheaval. There are those that will fight it tooth and nail, but I do not think that guns and fear and anger are the answer, that to me is of the old paradigm.

We can pioneer this new frontier by co-creating it and making sure those in government are adhering to constitutional freedom especially now as Truth is bubbling up to the surface and people are more aware of what is going on and the consequence of having blind faith in our leaders, we can demand full disclosure in their plans.

I also think the Olin technology sounds fascinating. The internet has brought the world together, I can only imagine how Olin will continue to enhance that.

Again everything in life can be used for either positive or negative means.
There will always be both in the world because we live in third dimension of duality until their is a major shift to 5th dimension.

My last point is that I believe people experience their lives according to their individual perception which comes from whatever level of consciousness they are at. If they are of victim mentality, not only will they tend to be victimized more but see victimization everywhere. I believe we attract that which we need to work on karmically as well as where we operate from such as survival/fear or love. This is a simplistic example as their are many layers to a human being.

I will continue to read the information on the Wingmakers site and thanks again to everyone for their very insightful input.

The movie The Changeling was awesome! Angelina Jolie is amazing as always. I think this is one of my favorite roles that she has done.

Love & Light to all.

[Gnosis5]

There are "good" and "evil" beings much higher than the ill-illumined. Ashatav, in all your many lifetimes you cannot say that you were always good. Besides, after you have bought into more experiences you will get to the point where the concept of good and evil is only a subset of something much more varied.

The ill-illumined may be dramatizing evil, and you are also dramatizing their evil, but when you finally get to the source of good and evil they disappear. Please ponder how that could be. I just came out of a session today that covered one of the earliest beginnings that reflects our condition today.

But if you need to let off steam we're here for you

best,
gnosis

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

[hueyii]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

Thoughts are energy. Feeding energy to the reality of conspiracy perpetuates it. Starve it of this energy and it shall pass. There are many feeding energy to the reality that "they" are out to get us. In my reality "they" are just souls who have forgotten who they are. As such "they" use their creative powers in an attempt to manifest who they think they are. This is not in harmony with oneness and serves no higher purpose. Thus it will pass.

The sooner we stop giving power to this false reality, the sooner we can evolve to the next stage. A reality where there are no secrets.

Just my point of view. Hope it persuades those who read it to start thinking in terms of unity instead of division.

[becky]

When all of your interests in life come together within your work for the public, others, or the world, whatever it is, the transformation will be at your door; but you won't be aware of it because you'll be having such a wonderful time. So don't worry about it. Maybe yours will come at the Event Temples or somewhere else where you find yourself one day unknowingly totally fulfilling yourself because you are so absorbed in what you are doing for everyone.

A pleasure to talk with you TWSUF.

Chris




Wow Chris, you are such a gift to this forum and in my life right now. Thank you for all the work you have done on yourself--for us. I just took this above quote and put it on my wall. I find it to be profound.
Heaps of LOVE,
Becky

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

It's funny because a lot of ill-uminati thinks they are doing good, and some others, the ones who are in top of the pyramid knows the opposite.

All these organizations named by neruda are ill-uminati ones.

That's because they are followers of a being who are so deceptive that the organization run by him does everithing who is necesary to keep his folowers working.

See bill schnoebelen

C R Hamlett

Icke to.

Deagle

Cheers

Hi again Ashatav,

With all due respect to Dr Deagle there is IMO no one being at the head of the Illuminati. Dr Deagle is somewhat influenced by his religious upbringing, as are so many others. This early training in the formative years can be extraordinarily difficult to eradicate from ones thinking on all levels, which makes it very difficult to engage in clear thinking with no preconceived ideas; and even more difficult for the development and usage of "uncontaminated" fluid intelligence. In my own experience it took more than all my 10 years exposure to such early religious conditioning to fully overcome it. Just when you think you're over it you can notice a concept rising from a psychological box or drawer hidden way down somewhere that has never been brought into the open for full re-examination in the light and truth of day.

There were IMO certain people/beings definitely influencing the Illuminati. And these were likely the Giza intelligences described by Meier and the Plejaren that also influenced Hitler and so many other worldly leaders and groups. These beings were removed from this planet in the latter part of the twentieth century and now, being in exile on a distant planet with no technology, can exert no influence whatsoever on the earth.

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

[eaglespirit]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

Here! Here! Chris, Thank You!

We ARE coming together as never before around the world!
And let me add that this is simply "Oneness" taking hold and it does not have to be misconstrued as 'global' or 'new world'(government/controllers/nwo terms) ...because it is simply a spiritual awakening taking hold through each individual's decisions from the heart to help themselves and those right in front of them see the "clarity" of Oneness on Mother Earth by deciding to live that Oneness right in front them.

You, Me, Us...changing the world to Oneness one beautiful and loving and selfless act at a time right in front of Us! : ) : ) : )

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Chris1617

Hi again Ashatav,

With all due respect to Dr Deagle there is IMO no one being at the head of the Illuminati. Dr Deagle is somewhat influenced by his religious upbringing, as are so many others. This early training in the formative years can be extraordinarily difficult to eradicate from ones thinking on all levels, which makes it very difficult to engage in clear thinking with no preconceived ideas; and even more difficult for the development and usage of "uncontaminated" fluid intelligence. In my own experience it took more than all my 10 years exposure to such early religious conditioning to fully overcome it. Just when you think you're over it you can notice a concept rising from a psychological box or drawer hidden way down somewhere that has never been brought into the open for full re-examination in the light and truth of day.

There were IMO certain people/beings definitely influencing the Illuminati. And these were likely the Giza intelligences described by Meier and the Plejaren that also influenced Hitler and so many other worldly leaders and groups. These beings were removed from this planet in the latter part of the twentieth century and now, being in exile on a distant planet with no technology, can exert no influence whatsoever on the earth.

IMO the Illuminati is currently the proverbial chicken running around with its head cut off. It's ultimate power source has been erased but the organization is still functioning on its own auto and purely terrestrial mode now. Although their size is still large they just do not have the power they once had or the mad leadership.

Some of its prominent leaders have left and even turned up at Camelot with Bill and Kerry, so it has definitely lost its appeal, and power of control over its common terrestrial leadership. IMO it's now just another dinosaur on the way to extinction, though it still does possess great power and exerts considerable influence on worldly affairs.

Dr deagle isn't religious, see it in the camelot interview.

The same plejadian that says that the earth must have at max 500 millions of persons just like the controllers of the illuminati? That "beings" tell billi meyer that the illuminati is a dinosaur institution? Who say that?

Some proof that the illuminati are dead please.

Cheerzo