The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

those who believe they have valuable contributions to make, might consider joining the researchers team. They will not be required to pay subscription fees as long as they contribute substantially to the ground crew library data base.

along with a movement and strong encouragement to gift two memberships..

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

those who believe they have valuable contributions to make, might consider joining the researchers team. They will not be required to pay subscription fees as long as they contribute substantially to the ground crew library data base.

so what is valuable information then? i know how to survive in the wods with a knife for a extent of time? is that valuable info? i also kno argiculture, is that valuable? i know computers and haf many classess from this and haf been a teatcher of this. i also haf runned a sheep farm since i was little, is this valuable info for the ground crew? or is it info just some gets to decide if is valuable, and is this just abopot spirituallity and aliens, and stuff that most of uss havent experienced

[Alcyone11]

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

That's right,
and just why I am leaving the forum.
Always this money-issue...it's not the amount, but the principle.
Bless you all,

Alcyone11

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

You're going to lose a lot more than whiney babies- especially if that's how you stereotype people who are having a moral issue with what is happening here.

What I'm seeing is a reinforcement of the old paradigm, not a new one, and I'm quite sad about it.

Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

[slywinkl]

lol. a free ride? its the ground crew givin you all the info to support this site.

i suggest u think aboot that for a sec, becouse i haf, and i think i am blessed to haf the privilage to read what others think, in my mind, its we who should pay each individual becouse they provide the info, they provide the numbers that enter this page, they provide the time and effort so you can sitt there and judge them...

[slywinkl]

exuse me, are you arguing to say that not all are inn the ground crew? child as old ones, smart and not so smart, u want to divide them couse u think u dont need them? or aint of their kin?

no i havent red that book, i know the meaning put here, and what was original idea here, it was for so all could come toghether and get anwsers, not be afraid anymore, support EVERYONE. not divide em more, and copying the rules of the elites and goverment

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by slywinkl

exuse me, are you arguing to say that not all are inn the ground crew? child as old ones, smart and not so smart, u want to divide them couse u think u dont need them? or aint of their kin?

no i havent red that book, i know the meaning put here, and what was original idea here, it was for so all could come toghether and get anwsers, not be afraid anymore, support EVERYONE. not divide em more, and copying the rules of the elites and goverment

Then we're simply talking about different things. I'm talking specifically about Ground Crew as described in George Greens books, and which is the definition in mind in the creation of this site.

Not just "people on the ground". Lol.

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Then we're simply talking about different things. I'm talking specifically about Ground Crew as described in George Greens books, and which is the definition in mind in the creation of this site.

Not just "people on the ground". Lol.

then why are you here? why are you imposing that belif system here? when its mostly written here that the ground crew is all.

its not diveded, its not looking down on ANYONE, its not casting anyone out of the flock.

it is all are equall, we are here as the ground crew to give and get INFORMATION (do i haf to spell it?)

we are here to help, and give anwsers, and as many say here, its so that all can have the chance to speak upp, many here just surf and look and read and not catching everything here, but something resonates with someone, so they search upp info of the subject, be it books, be it youtube vids, or interviews, or announsments u dont get from the mainstream.

or its like giving tips to survive in the nature, as for me i rang my farmer friends to get little more detailed info how to survive in the forest. since i didnt remmember all i learned from growing upp in the woods, and i count those persons i rang as fully fledged ground crew members

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by slywinkl

or its like giving tips to survive in the nature, as for me i rang my farmer friends to get little more detailed info how to survive in the forest. since i didnt remmember all i learned from growing upp in the woods, and i count those persons i rang as fully fledged ground crew members

You'll still be able to read all you want, but if that farmer gave you some awesome tips on surviving in a forest you'd be paying to share that with the people here. That's my issue. Would you pay to do that or post elsewhere or keep it yourself? That's why the force to pay to post makes so little sense to me. You pay to post and all posts are property of Project Avalon...

This is just not settling well with me at all and I still haven't seen a good reason other avenues aren't being tried first, especially given the divisiveness of this issue. This is not new paradigm, at all.

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

Uuh......excuse me, but what makes you believe that anyone on this site wants a "free ride"? All I am seeing here is people with an inability to pay, or a moral issue as you say.

You probably shouldn't make assumptions unless you have solid basis for them.

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

What do you think Ground Crew is?

There is no intention to weed out ground crew. But I personally feel we can do without, and thrive in the absence of whiney babies, who've never conceived of doing anything for anyone else, who think everything should be free to them, even if it costs someone else.

The old paradigm is dying. I'm all for giving it a burial now and getting on with the work of creating our new paradigm. Read the books. They're FREE.

That is very mature and diplomatic of you to start labelling people whiney babies and telling them to get back on their donkeys who have INTEGRITY and high morals. You have probably persauded another 100 or more people to leave from your statements.

I'm certain you will find the positive path in your life soon. Peace be with you brother

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Reunite

That is very mature and diplomatic of you to start labelling people whiney babies and telling them to get back on their donkeys who have INTEGRITY and high morals. You have probably persauded another 100 or more people to leave from your statements.

I'm certain you will find the positive path in your life soon. Peace be with you brother

I'm sure all the whiney babies will find a nice place for themselves. Oh wait. didn't you already post that link?

[capreycorn]

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

I have faith in you. You'll come to your senses soon.

Just stop digging your grave.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

That's a bit much. You're being incredibly rude and not doing a thing to help the cause of getting people to want to pay to post here so they can be ridiculed by comments like this.

I've said my piece if it matters but I sense it doesn't and minds have been made up. I'm out of this thread and will be a lurker when the changes come. If I have something valuable to share I will do it elsewhere because it appears to me that the principles we are fighting for are ignored here.

I have one last comment that I don't think I brought up earlier. This "gifting" of memberships. It's a nice thing to do but for many it may seem elitist- telling people to hold out their tin cups. Again, all of the icky feelings brought up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. It's going to be interesting to see how much the info changes once this goes into effect and only those willing (or able for some who refuse to ask for charity) to pay will be posting and all other insights and ideas are lost. You will not hear from many of the poorest people- many don't like to advertise how destitute they are and will simply disappear.

It's really sad that this has happened here. I wish you all the best.

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. :

The button has been there at project camelot for the last two years.
"Would have" doesn't pay their rent. For many of the posters here "Will you"
won't work either. That is their first mistake. People tie value and cost. It didn't cost, therefore the public has not and does not value B&K's contribution.

The second mistake was not charging for Avalon from the very first day.

Given their commitment to the Camelot information being available for free,
I would like to see them CHARGE for the videos, then release the transcripts later at no cost. You get the information but you pay for timeliness and convenience. But that is just me.

[franciejones]

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by franciejones

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

do u truly belive this? all ive come to speak with here, and haf invited to look at this site has come here to look for what others say, to connfirm that we arent crazy, to see that we are not alone, to find anwsers for all.

i doo see alotta me me me me here, but when i read through the forum randomly i see alotta souls who have gotten it and are doin a real awsome job of opening ppl upp, jhelping them without a inch of self thought. i see ppl anwser with long threads to explain to not so gifted ppl. with great sucsess. that is a really beutifull thing.

now what ur saying here is that u want all this alone and close all out of yer "club" and yeah bein selfish :/

this is also what "great" leaders haf said. and starting to Divide and qonquer couse u cant handle ppl speaking against what u think is true.

it is a really hard thing to do, to accept other ppls thoughts and words. it can crush you for weeks, months years. i kno, i was a imbesil when it came to speaking with others before. i thought what i knew was the ultimate anwser. until a 12 year old taught me that we are all one.

[franciejones]

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

Originally Posted by franciejones

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. .

I love it.

A donation based board with one requirement for membership; you must pass
a one hundred question multiple choice exam with 70% or better covering the
Camelot material.

Hardly too much to ask to require an informed membership, and it might help some poor wayward soul who stumbled in here thinking it was a quilting guild..

[capreycorn]

[franciejones]

Yes! Yes! Baggywrinkle...I was thinking the same THING....lol. So awesome. Love to you ....membership test would be beautiful. Probably not realistic but boy it sure would help.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by franciejones

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

Nobody is being attacked by me though I certainly feel attacked. I find it appalling that you think it's okay that only people who can pay should be able to post unless they resort to asking for charity. I think it's elitist and a sad way to be. It also saddens me that so many were/are unable to see any other way to raise money than to charge people to post thus shutting out ideas from anyone who can't pay and as well as those who refuse to participate in the OLD PARADIGM of pay to play. Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. Read my posts again. All of them. I'm all for donations and helping B & K. I truly respect what they have done and look forward to the future- but I won't contribute to the elitism energetically. It's bad karma and doesn't feel right. Enlighten yourself a bit, it's a good feeling.

I have read the rules and guidelines. I know that under a paid subscription that I would pay to post information to help others and in return those posts belong to PA as their property. Interesting.

Please don't stick your words in my mouth. You have no idea what I'm thinking or why I'm standing up right now. It is FOR the people who won't have a voice. It's for a forum that would suffer if it went paid because there are MANY people here who refuse to participate. All these cool threads you read with all the great ideas- many of those contributors will be gone and have said so already. Many others will just be lurking, never posting or sharing valuable information here- it will go elsewhere.

I'm not ranting, it's called a discussion. Conflicting ideas does not equal ranting. It's how we grow and learn. Look at post histories before you make empty accusations. You might want to look at the thread that Karen started before jumping on people you know NOTHING about and see that some of us have willingly offered to DONATE more than enough to cover our membership and more. And for future reference, it's more mature to express your opinions without using foul language. It's also smart to get your facts straight before calling someone out.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by franciejones

I agree with GregorArturo 100%

Also, I think it is important to respect the opinion of the threadstarter. It is important that we do not "attack" people for stating their viewpoint.

It might help some if before you reply to a thread-

Check your motives
Step outside of yourself first..some replies turn into arguments that are not always needed

This is just my opinion of course...

Sound advice given in another thread. You might want to take it yourself.

Oh also, I think it is bloody marvelous that those who can afford a few extra quid, are willing to help someone who cannot afford to pay any form of dues to continue, I will happily pay for some one elses dues but can only afford one.