The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

What do you think Ground Crew is?

There is no intention to weed out ground crew. But I personally feel we can do without, and thrive in the absence of whiney babies, who've never conceived of doing anything for anyone else, who think everything should be free to them, even if it costs someone else.

The old paradigm is dying. I'm all for giving it a burial now and getting on with the work of creating our new paradigm. Read the books. They're FREE.

You're going to lose a lot more than whiney babies- especially if that's how you stereotype people who are having a moral issue with what is happening here.

What I'm seeing is a reinforcement of the old paradigm, not a new one, and I'm quite sad about it.

[Jenny]

Hi Ruby,

even in the new paradigm you will have to eat and have shelter.

I do.

And so do Kerry and Bill.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Hi Ruby,

even in the new paradigm you will have to eat and have shelter.

I do.

And so do Kerry and Bill.

Of course. I also assume it won't be based on fiat dollars and that there will be a sense of community where people contribute what they do best- cooperation of give and take and trust that each person will contribute what he/she can. That's why I suggested a donation system, repeatedly. I've yet to see a sound reason that isn't being tried first other than "there's a paypal button" but I'm not donating anything until decisions have been made and I know my money isn't going to shut people out. The way we exchange money has our energy attached.

That's more in line with a new paradigm, not forcing people people to pay to share information that would benefit others. And food and shelter isn't that expensive unless you plan on living at a high price exclusive ark or something- which I don't begrudge but when you're going to throw out the food/shelter reason then the ark should be brought up.

[Jenny]

Hi Ruby,

Maybe you want to read up again on how all info will stay available for all on the forum.
Info is free and will be free in the future.
Bill and Kerry are passionate about all the info to be free...no charge.
I was mordicus against subscription until I heard all the details. and then I surrendered without hesitation.
It is about shelter and food and doing the work they have been doing so courageously.
I want to support that and help them.


As for Bill and The Ark in Australia....grinn...at this time it is a dream he voiced...a dream he wants to pursue. I wish him all the best in attaining that dream and make it come true.

I have different dreams and I can't afford them either......

[RubyTuesday]

I want to help and support that, too but not at the expense of losing information. I've read up on all the information, repeatedly. I do not make my statements without researching first and- if you've read my previous posts- you'd know why I feel this way and wouldn't assume I haven't read up.

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

My only point about the ark is it costs several hundred thousand to join. So saying they need to pay for food and shelter- it isn't like we're talking about regular rent and groceries here. Good for them but it isn't fair to throw that out as a reason for a paid subscription, especially when many are struggling to pay a regular mortgage/rent. It's kind of "in your face" really. Sort of like tax money going to bailout out banks who use the money for luxury retreats.

Again, why not a donation system? And have my previous posts been read at all? And how is doing the same thing "a new paradigm"? What's so new about forcing people to pay to play?

to you all. I have no ill will, just questions and concerns. I'm okay with what you guys decide because it's your forum, your path. I hope it works out for you, I really do, but I think membership will decline and the variety of insights we see now will vanish as people become lurkers.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

I want to help and support that, too but not at the expense of losing information. I've read up on all the information, repeatedly. I do not make my statements without researching first and- if you've read my previous posts- you'd know why I feel this way and wouldn't assume I haven't read up.

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

My only point about the ark is it costs several hundred thousand to join. So saying they need to pay for food and shelter- it isn't like we're talking about regular rent and groceries here. Good for them but it isn't fair to throw that out as a reason for a paid subscription, especially when many are struggling to pay a regular mortgage/rent. It's kind of "in your face" really. Sort of like tax money going to bailout out banks who use the money for luxury retreats.

Again, why not a donation system? And have my previous posts been read at all? And how is doing the same thing "a new paradigm"? What's so new about forcing people to pay to play?

to you all. I have no ill will, just questions and concerns. I'm okay with what you guys decide because it's your forum, your path. I hope it works out for you, I really do, but I think membership will decline and the variety of insights we see now will vanish as people become lurkers.

It's not my place to go into it, Ruby, but it is about food and shelter at this point. I believe that to be true. Solid provision needs to be put in place if it's to continue.

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Hi Ruby,


As for Bill and The Ark in Australia....grinn...at this time it is a dream he voiced...a dream he wants to pursue. I wish him all the best in attaining that dream and make it come true.

I have different dreams and I can't afford them either......

Enough wasted energy here, bye bye.

Peace and blessings to all

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Reunite

Enough wasted energy here, bye bye.

Peace and blessings to all

Can it be true?

[Flying Pyramid]

The mods and admins here are blind or they choose to stay silent.
I posted twice now and everybody just passed them by and kept posting the same thing.
All you keep saying is "the content will be free" "you can still read the info".
How can i come here and post new info, valuable info?
How is anyone with anything relevent to say supposed to come here and post? YOU ARE CHARGING TO SPEAD KNOWLEDGE.
Knowledge is power. YOU are charging to have power.
This place is now the JASON Scholors & The tri-lateral Commision.

1.) Yes i personally believe in Bill & Kerry's mission.
Yes i believe they have started the foundation of something good and pure.

2.) Yes, i believe they need more money or help to keep this going.

3.) NO, i dont not agree that making a forum a subscription is the way to make money.

Trust me, i ran REVforums for 6 years and i know what i'm talking about.
Project Camelot & Project Avalon are new and very, very, controversial.
Do you really think that "others" are not watching, posting, directing?
This is a test. Why doesn't anyone see that?
If you decide to do something for the betterment of mankind the evil entities wile try to devour you by turning what you built into thier tool.
Let me be very very blunt:

Bill, Kerry, If you decide that this is the only way to make the money you need without looking at other ventures, you will fail.
You must understand how humans work.
It's the message that counts, thats what really matters.
What message are you sending to the powers that be if you use their system to get your "positive" message across.
You are the navigators of this ship. You control where the destination is.
But there are huge waves and attacking ships trying to vere you of course so those that follow will lose their way and once again be lost.

I can not say it any other way, please look inside and you will know what i say is true. Do not feed the hate.
I proposed to move to your town, get a $400-$500 dollor an hour job, still take on CGI jobs which pay $1000's for each job, and hand it all over to you to fund your venture so you did not have to start charging for ANYTHING! The dvd's , t-shirts and others are also fantastic ideas that will make way more money than 10,000 subscriptions.
And it sends a message that we dont need the "system" to create a new world. We dont need their "system" to live happy or healthy.

I love you both, but if this is your only avenue to take, if you refuse to accept any other means of support then it is clear that the "intent" or your venture lies elsewhere and not with the people. And if this is true then Avalon has fallen And they win!

Pease, Love & Light

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

How is anyone with anything relevent to say supposed to come here and post?

We are brainstorming that right now. The idea is a maildrop like you might
have in your front door where information could be deposited. Rather like
comments in a blog. It would, however, be heavily moderated and would be discarded if it did not add value to the information at hand.

Or you could go to Alpha Rubicon, or Another Voice of Warning, where the restrictions are even more strenuous. At Alpha it is publish or perish. They do not tolerate rubbish and require one quality original article monthly or you are out. AVOW has over 1900 active members btw. Must be something good going on in there, but you will never know cause you can't read it unless you JOIN UP

[Flying Pyramid]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

We are brainstorming that right now. The idea is a maildrop like you might
have in your front door where information could be deposited. Rather like
comments in a blog. It would, however, be heavily moderated and would be discarded if it did not add value to the information at hand.

Or you could go to Alpha Rubicon, or Another Voice of Warning, where the restrictions are even more strenuous. At Alpha it is publish or perish. They do not tolerate rubbish and require one quality original article monthly or you are out.

Baggtwrinkle reread what i posted and then read what you just posted and if you can not see the heavy programming then my friend you too are lost.
I love you and i do not blame you, i just wish i new the right words to come across with what i'm trying to say.

So i post free dc energy and it is decided that it's not relevent so it's discarded and the world never sees it because the people who will listen and can do something about it are HERE. If you help Avalon fall then you too will share that burdon apon your soul.

Wake up dude.

Peace, Love & Light

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

Baggtwrinkle reread what i posted and then read what you just posted and if you can not see the heavy programming then my friend you too are lost.
I love you and i do not blame you, i just wish i new the right words to come across with what i'm trying to say.

So i post free dc energy and it is decided that it's not relevent so it's discarded and the world never sees it because the people who will listen and can do something about it are HERE. If you help Avalon fall then you too will share that burdon apon your soul.

Wake up dude.

Peace, Love & Light

I'll look for you at otherpower.com Dude. Meanwhile, B&K have interviews that they can't do because they don't have the finances.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Flying Pyramid

The mods and admins here are blind or they choose to stay silent.
I posted twice now and everybody just passed them by and kept posting the same thing.
All you keep saying is "the content will be free" "you can still read the info".
How can i come here and post new info, valuable info?
How is anyone with anything relevent to say supposed to come here and post? YOU ARE CHARGING TO SPEAD KNOWLEDGE.
Knowledge is power. YOU are charging to have power.
This place is now the JASON Scholors & The tri-lateral Commision.

1.) Yes i personally believe in Bill & Kerry's mission.
Yes i believe they have started the foundation of something good and pure.

2.) Yes, i believe they need more money or help to keep this going.

3.) NO, i dont not agree that making a forum a subscription is the way to make money.

Trust me, i ran REVforums for 6 years and i know what i'm talking about.
Project Camelot & Project Avalon are new and very, very, controversial.
Do you really think that "others" are not watching, posting, directing?
This is a test. Why doesn't anyone see that?
If you decide to do something for the betterment of mankind the evil entities wile try to devour you by turning what you built into thier tool.
Let me be very very blunt:

Bill, Kerry, If you decide that this is the only way to make the money you need without looking at other ventures, you will fail.
You must understand how humans work.
It's the message that counts, thats what really matters.
What message are you sending to the powers that be if you use their system to get your "positive" message across.
You are the navigators of this ship. You control where the destination is.
But there are huge waves and attacking ships trying to vere you of course so those that follow will lose their way and once again be lost.

I can not say it any other way, please look inside and you will know what i say is true. Do not feed the hate.
I proposed to move to your town, get a $400-$500 dollor an hour job, still take on CGI jobs which pay $1000's for each job, and hand it all over to you to fund your venture so you did not have to start charging for ANYTHING! The dvd's , t-shirts and others are also fantastic ideas that will make way more money than 10,000 subscriptions.
And it sends a message that we dont need the "system" to create a new world. We dont need their "system" to live happy or healthy.

I love you both, but if this is your only avenue to take, if you refuse to accept any other means of support then it is clear that the "intent" or your venture lies elsewhere and not with the people. And if this is true then Avalon has fallen And they win!

Pease, Love & Light

those who believe they have valuable contributions to make, might consider joining the researchers team. They will not be required to pay subscription fees as long as they contribute substantially to the ground crew library data base.

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

those who believe they have valuable contributions to make, might consider joining the researchers team. They will not be required to pay subscription fees as long as they contribute substantially to the ground crew library data base.

along with a movement and strong encouragement to gift two memberships..

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

those who believe they have valuable contributions to make, might consider joining the researchers team. They will not be required to pay subscription fees as long as they contribute substantially to the ground crew library data base.

so what is valuable information then? i know how to survive in the wods with a knife for a extent of time? is that valuable info? i also kno argiculture, is that valuable? i know computers and haf many classess from this and haf been a teatcher of this. i also haf runned a sheep farm since i was little, is this valuable info for the ground crew? or is it info just some gets to decide if is valuable, and is this just abopot spirituallity and aliens, and stuff that most of uss havent experienced

[Alcyone11]

There are many lurkers here and read only is fine for them. But even lurkers have insight to share at times and they step out and do so when they are "called" to. Will they pay to do that or just take their insight elsewhere or keep it to themselves? It's what we will lose that's the problem. And we won't even know it.

That's right,
and just why I am leaving the forum.
Always this money-issue...it's not the amount, but the principle.
Bless you all,

Alcyone11

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

You're going to lose a lot more than whiney babies- especially if that's how you stereotype people who are having a moral issue with what is happening here.

What I'm seeing is a reinforcement of the old paradigm, not a new one, and I'm quite sad about it.

Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

[slywinkl]

lol. a free ride? its the ground crew givin you all the info to support this site.

i suggest u think aboot that for a sec, becouse i haf, and i think i am blessed to haf the privilage to read what others think, in my mind, its we who should pay each individual becouse they provide the info, they provide the numbers that enter this page, they provide the time and effort so you can sitt there and judge them...

[slywinkl]

exuse me, are you arguing to say that not all are inn the ground crew? child as old ones, smart and not so smart, u want to divide them couse u think u dont need them? or aint of their kin?

no i havent red that book, i know the meaning put here, and what was original idea here, it was for so all could come toghether and get anwsers, not be afraid anymore, support EVERYONE. not divide em more, and copying the rules of the elites and goverment

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by slywinkl

exuse me, are you arguing to say that not all are inn the ground crew? child as old ones, smart and not so smart, u want to divide them couse u think u dont need them? or aint of their kin?

no i havent red that book, i know the meaning put here, and what was original idea here, it was for so all could come toghether and get anwsers, not be afraid anymore, support EVERYONE. not divide em more, and copying the rules of the elites and goverment

Then we're simply talking about different things. I'm talking specifically about Ground Crew as described in George Greens books, and which is the definition in mind in the creation of this site.

Not just "people on the ground". Lol.

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Then we're simply talking about different things. I'm talking specifically about Ground Crew as described in George Greens books, and which is the definition in mind in the creation of this site.

Not just "people on the ground". Lol.

then why are you here? why are you imposing that belif system here? when its mostly written here that the ground crew is all.

its not diveded, its not looking down on ANYONE, its not casting anyone out of the flock.

it is all are equall, we are here as the ground crew to give and get INFORMATION (do i haf to spell it?)

we are here to help, and give anwsers, and as many say here, its so that all can have the chance to speak upp, many here just surf and look and read and not catching everything here, but something resonates with someone, so they search upp info of the subject, be it books, be it youtube vids, or interviews, or announsments u dont get from the mainstream.

or its like giving tips to survive in the nature, as for me i rang my farmer friends to get little more detailed info how to survive in the forest. since i didnt remmember all i learned from growing upp in the woods, and i count those persons i rang as fully fledged ground crew members

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by slywinkl

or its like giving tips to survive in the nature, as for me i rang my farmer friends to get little more detailed info how to survive in the forest. since i didnt remmember all i learned from growing upp in the woods, and i count those persons i rang as fully fledged ground crew members

You'll still be able to read all you want, but if that farmer gave you some awesome tips on surviving in a forest you'd be paying to share that with the people here. That's my issue. Would you pay to do that or post elsewhere or keep it yourself? That's why the force to pay to post makes so little sense to me. You pay to post and all posts are property of Project Avalon...

This is just not settling well with me at all and I still haven't seen a good reason other avenues aren't being tried first, especially given the divisiveness of this issue. This is not new paradigm, at all.

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Some will leave. I've explained a few times elsewhere that, for me, this is not about those who can't pay, or have a moral issue. It's about those who insist they should get a free ride, because they think so, and shouldn't have to contribute regardless of consumption.

Time is short, and those who don't want to help, should at least not stand in the way of those who are trying to.

Uuh......excuse me, but what makes you believe that anyone on this site wants a "free ride"? All I am seeing here is people with an inability to pay, or a moral issue as you say.

You probably shouldn't make assumptions unless you have solid basis for them.