The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Reunite

That is very mature and diplomatic of you to start labelling people whiney babies and telling them to get back on their donkeys who have INTEGRITY and high morals. You have probably persauded another 100 or more people to leave from your statements.

I'm certain you will find the positive path in your life soon. Peace be with you brother

I'm sure all the whiney babies will find a nice place for themselves. Oh wait. didn't you already post that link?

[capreycorn]

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

I have faith in you. You'll come to your senses soon.

Just stop digging your grave.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Ah. so will they be joining you and the other whiney babies at the whiney baby forum?

That's a bit much. You're being incredibly rude and not doing a thing to help the cause of getting people to want to pay to post here so they can be ridiculed by comments like this.

I've said my piece if it matters but I sense it doesn't and minds have been made up. I'm out of this thread and will be a lurker when the changes come. If I have something valuable to share I will do it elsewhere because it appears to me that the principles we are fighting for are ignored here.

I have one last comment that I don't think I brought up earlier. This "gifting" of memberships. It's a nice thing to do but for many it may seem elitist- telling people to hold out their tin cups. Again, all of the icky feelings brought up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. It's going to be interesting to see how much the info changes once this goes into effect and only those willing (or able for some who refuse to ask for charity) to pay will be posting and all other insights and ideas are lost. You will not hear from many of the poorest people- many don't like to advertise how destitute they are and will simply disappear.

It's really sad that this has happened here. I wish you all the best.

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

up *could* have been avoided or resolved by using a donation system which also would be the true spirit of the new paradigm- I would have gladly donated. :

The button has been there at project camelot for the last two years.
"Would have" doesn't pay their rent. For many of the posters here "Will you"
won't work either. That is their first mistake. People tie value and cost. It didn't cost, therefore the public has not and does not value B&K's contribution.

The second mistake was not charging for Avalon from the very first day.

Given their commitment to the Camelot information being available for free,
I would like to see them CHARGE for the videos, then release the transcripts later at no cost. You get the information but you pay for timeliness and convenience. But that is just me.

[franciejones]

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

[slywinkl]

Originally Posted by franciejones

I agree. I want it to be subscription...tired of the arguements...useless speculation pedantic rantings and pontification!

Bring on the paid plan and the rest of those nasty, rude commenters....good riddance! The majority of postings here are not about networking....it is mostly about wanting to hear yourself talk and it is very old already. Be mad if you want...but it is too true!

do u truly belive this? all ive come to speak with here, and haf invited to look at this site has come here to look for what others say, to connfirm that we arent crazy, to see that we are not alone, to find anwsers for all.

i doo see alotta me me me me here, but when i read through the forum randomly i see alotta souls who have gotten it and are doin a real awsome job of opening ppl upp, jhelping them without a inch of self thought. i see ppl anwser with long threads to explain to not so gifted ppl. with great sucsess. that is a really beutifull thing.

now what ur saying here is that u want all this alone and close all out of yer "club" and yeah bein selfish :/

this is also what "great" leaders haf said. and starting to Divide and qonquer couse u cant handle ppl speaking against what u think is true.

it is a really hard thing to do, to accept other ppls thoughts and words. it can crush you for weeks, months years. i kno, i was a imbesil when it came to speaking with others before. i thought what i knew was the ultimate anwser. until a 12 year old taught me that we are all one.

[franciejones]

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

Originally Posted by franciejones

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. .

I love it.

A donation based board with one requirement for membership; you must pass
a one hundred question multiple choice exam with 70% or better covering the
Camelot material.

Hardly too much to ask to require an informed membership, and it might help some poor wayward soul who stumbled in here thinking it was a quilting guild..

[capreycorn]

[franciejones]

Yes! Yes! Baggywrinkle...I was thinking the same THING....lol. So awesome. Love to you ....membership test would be beautiful. Probably not realistic but boy it sure would help.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by franciejones

Ruby Tuesday and slywinkl...If either of you have seen the work on Project Camelot you would not have any of the questions/complaints that you have now. The fact that the both of you are so unwilling to see reason, contribute ( and I do not mean the arguements you have "contributed") or be understanding is appalling. You have NOTHING to lose. There are thousands of forums to "talk" or "rant" on. This forum (if you actually read its purpose) is not for what you are doing right now, this minute, in this thread. GO AND READ the forum guidelines and please follow them. I was ready to pay from day ONE and so were others from the Project Camelot website. I am very very tired of seeing Bill and Kerry and the moderators here ATTACKED verbally. It is disgusting! It is NOT OKAY. It is NOT WELCOME (in my opinion)

AND YES!!!!! if a paid subscription will weed this BULL**** out ...then I can hardly wait another second for it.

Nobody is being attacked by me though I certainly feel attacked. I find it appalling that you think it's okay that only people who can pay should be able to post unless they resort to asking for charity. I think it's elitist and a sad way to be. It also saddens me that so many were/are unable to see any other way to raise money than to charge people to post thus shutting out ideas from anyone who can't pay and as well as those who refuse to participate in the OLD PARADIGM of pay to play. Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. Read my posts again. All of them. I'm all for donations and helping B & K. I truly respect what they have done and look forward to the future- but I won't contribute to the elitism energetically. It's bad karma and doesn't feel right. Enlighten yourself a bit, it's a good feeling.

I have read the rules and guidelines. I know that under a paid subscription that I would pay to post information to help others and in return those posts belong to PA as their property. Interesting.

Please don't stick your words in my mouth. You have no idea what I'm thinking or why I'm standing up right now. It is FOR the people who won't have a voice. It's for a forum that would suffer if it went paid because there are MANY people here who refuse to participate. All these cool threads you read with all the great ideas- many of those contributors will be gone and have said so already. Many others will just be lurking, never posting or sharing valuable information here- it will go elsewhere.

I'm not ranting, it's called a discussion. Conflicting ideas does not equal ranting. It's how we grow and learn. Look at post histories before you make empty accusations. You might want to look at the thread that Karen started before jumping on people you know NOTHING about and see that some of us have willingly offered to DONATE more than enough to cover our membership and more. And for future reference, it's more mature to express your opinions without using foul language. It's also smart to get your facts straight before calling someone out.

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by franciejones

I agree with GregorArturo 100%

Also, I think it is important to respect the opinion of the threadstarter. It is important that we do not "attack" people for stating their viewpoint.

It might help some if before you reply to a thread-

Check your motives
Step outside of yourself first..some replies turn into arguments that are not always needed

This is just my opinion of course...

Sound advice given in another thread. You might want to take it yourself.

Oh also, I think it is bloody marvelous that those who can afford a few extra quid, are willing to help someone who cannot afford to pay any form of dues to continue, I will happily pay for some one elses dues but can only afford one.

Originally Posted by RubyTuesday

Step outside your box, the air is fresher out here. :

and this is not elitist and condescending?

[RubyTuesday]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

and this is not elitist and condescending?

Not given the point I was making within the context of the entire post. As a snippet, it sure is. Make of it what you will. Karen worked to get us donation based and I for one am thrilled.

Oh come on guys.

What ever you believe this funding method is all about, we are now just fighting amonst yourselves with words, some quite nasty too.

If the **** actually did hit the fan, would you really want to find out that the next person you are going to rely on for maybe even your life is some one that you had a mud throwing match with. Would this encourage you?

Originally Posted by Donny

Oh come on guys.

What ever you believe this funding method is all about, we are now just fighting amonst yourselves with words, some quite nasty too.

If the **** actually did hit the fan, would you really want to find out that the next person you are going to rely on for maybe even your life is some one that you had a mud throwing match with. Would this encourage you?

As long as you argue to an amicable resolution, or at least to the point of agreeing to disagree on opposing sides of an argument. As opposed to being contentious....

There is nothing wrong with a spirited debate. But when it bogs down in an endless cycle of back biting, it is then time to bury it in the pasture and never speak of it again

[GregorArturo]

I am disappointed with the group at large. Very disappointed.

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I am disappointed with the group at large. Very disappointed.

Are any of you dissapointed with anything I have said in the last 3 posts, because if you are then, I have no place here and I appologise to any I might have offended and most of all appologise to the person whome would have recieved a simple gift of membership.

[GregorArturo]

Donny, you are a good person. No worries from my part. It has to do with the fueding and undermining of principles.

Thankyou,

.

The fact that there is a goodbye thread is a message in itself. There is so much wasted energy here. This is the only forum that I have visited that has been so full of mentally unstable people. Avalon is a good nut trap.

I have witnessed so much confusion, anger, mind battles, and unexpected surprises. The final result is that there are many people here that are lost looking for answers. But the irony is you are looking for some inside knowledge of the truth of why we are here. What will happen to us in 2012? Will the world end? When do I buy my backpack and stick my thumb in the air looking for a community?

Well, if Avalon is an example of a new community, I would definitely look elsewhere. I recommend watching the movie "the Beach" Good movie.

All it takes is one unstable person and the community is in Chaos. This is everyday life. You can't run from your problems. You must face them head on. If you want answers. Here is your answer: All we have is each other.
That's it. No more theories or surprises. There is a responsibility that we must deal with in our actions when it comes to our race on this planet.

And for all the wasted energy, insults, and wasted bickering over very small things, this will not help anything. The way I see it, use this forum if you can gain something from it. If not, don't log in. You don't need to say goodbye. We are already connected. If you don't have anything positive or productive to say, say nothing. This would make Avalon a much more enjoyable place.
There I go using that word "enjoy" again. lol.

Peace,
Suriel

Suriel Very well put.