The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here!

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by purplesage

Let's Keep It Simple Sweeties . . .
Live lovingly & honorably
each & every day,
and all this blather will not matter.

Hey Purplesage,
Love the calm simplicity of your post, sweet and perfect.

The point here I think with ALL information gathering, assimilation and dissecting is the we must all learn/try not to place too much emotional reaction into our investigations.

Try to remember life is a BIG adventure, enjoy the game and don't get so emotionally involved, ENJOY being 'Spiritual Detectives' but PLAY in the spirit of LIFE itself, then it can all be FUN and just another part of your ENDLESS COSMIC JOURNEY.

C'mon Avalonians, lighten up and stay Light and Bright and SHINE together!

Love...ONLY Love...ALWAYS Love!

PEACE OUT ...and I Smile

[TruthWillSetUFree]

My 2 cents

There is nothing in the interviews that is new to many of us who have been searching for the Truth.

There is nothing in the interviews that cannot be taken from other sites and used as his own information.

What I know of the darkside:

They are tricksters and liars.

They are not of love nor are they doing this because of their love for humanity

They love to distract people of light

Remember The path is narrow, waste NO time!

I align with the master teacher Yeshua when he said,

"GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN"

[shijing]

I think that there are several things about Hidden_Hand's information that indicate that it is hoaxed. Hidden_Hand is obviously familiar with the Ra material, from which he plagiarizes much of his content and upon which he builds -- it is very surprising that he has never heard of the Cassiopaean material, since it generally fits the Ra material hand in glove and is in general more damning of the power elites than the Ra material ever was, and one would expect someone of Hidden_Hand's purported caliber to at least be familiar with this material.

More to the point, I have noted the following inconsistencies with the Ra material just off the top of my head, and there are probably more:

1. Hidden_Hand says that 4th Density is the highest density at which one can maintain an STS polarity, but the Ra material repeatedly describes Carla Rueckert as under the attack of a 5th density STS being in the latter part of the series

2. Hidden-Hand says that the Lucifer social-memory complex originates from Venus, but in the Ra material, it is said that that is Ra's origin. Can both social-memory complexes originate from the same place? Even if that is possible, it is strange that Hidden_Hand didn't clarify since he claims that Lucifer and Ra are 'good friends'.

3. Hidden_Hand says of the Orion group, "They exist within their Group Soul Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit." The Ra material descriptions of the Orion group are at odds with this, indicating that it consists of a majority of 4th density STS in bodily form (including the need to use ships), and a minority of 5th density STS (which Hidden-Hand has claimed does not exist, see 1. above).

4. Hidden_Hand's description of Yahweh as the Earth-logos is completely at odds with both the Ra and the Cassiopaean material, both of which describe Yahweh as a foreign, alien entity (in the Ra material, Yahweh refers to a group of beings -- I would have to double check about that in the Cass material) who interacts with humanity at a mid-point in its history. Yahweh has not been with humanity from the beginning, certainly not in the sense of being the Earth-logos.

These are just some of the more egregious discrepancies. I think that Hidden-Hand's material resonates with some people because there are some core truths mixed in (this is all a game, we are actors in a great drama, etc), but his little speech at the end about how he has grown fond of the posters on ATS, while meant to be endearing, ends up making me embarrassed for him by the transparency of this common emotional ploy. All in all, I think this is a hoax from beginning to end, and was probably not done by anyone of real significance in an insider sense. I am of course interested in everyone else's opinion.

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[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by shijing

I think that there are several things about Hidden_Hand's information that indicate that it is hoaxed. Hidden_Hand is obviously familiar with the Ra material, from which he plagiarizes much of his content and upon which he builds -- it is very surprising that he has never heard of the Cassiopaean material, since it generally fits the Ra material hand in glove and is in general more damning of the power elites than the Ra material ever was, and one would expect someone of Hidden_Hand's purported caliber to at least be familiar with this material.

More to the point, I have noted the following inconsistencies with the Ra material just off the top of my head, and there are probably more:

1. Hidden_Hand says that 4th Density is the highest density at which one can maintain an STS polarity, but the Ra material repeatedly describes Carla Rueckert as under the attack of a 5th density STS being in the latter part of the series

2. Hidden-Hand says that the Lucifer social-memory complex originates from Venus, but in the Ra material, it is said that that is Ra's origin. Can both social-memory complexes originate from the same place? Even if that is possible, it is strange that Hidden_Hand didn't clarify since he claims that Lucifer and Ra are 'good friends'.

3. Hidden_Hand says of the Orion group, "They exist within their Group Soul Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit." The Ra material descriptions of the Orion group are at odds with this, indicating that it consists of a majority of 4th density STS in bodily form (including the need to use ships), and a minority of 5th density STS (which Hidden-Hand has claimed does not exist, see 1. above).

4. Hidden_Hand's description of Yahweh as the Earth-logos is completely at odds with both the Ra and the Cassiopaean material, both of which describe Yahweh as a foreign, alien entity (in the Ra material, Yahweh refers to a group of beings -- I would have to double check about that in the Cass material) who interacts with humanity at a mid-point in its history. Yahweh has not been with humanity from the beginning, certainly not in the sense of being the Earth-logos.

These are just some of the more egregious discrepancies. I think that Hidden-Hand's material resonates with some people because there are some core truths mixed in (this is all a game, we are actors in a great drama, etc), but his little speech at the end about how he has grown fond of the posters on ATS, while meant to be endearing, ends up making me embarrassed for him by the transparency of this common emotional ploy. All in all, I think this is a hoax from beginning to end, and was probably not done by anyone of real significance in an insider sense. I am of course interested in everyone else's opinion.

I keep an open level of discernment with any information, but with this, you also need to take in account the context and ALL of this information that is presented. A very important thing to understand in the material are these three notions from the Hidden hand Material:

1.) The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It is approximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen.

2.) Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you.

3.) Hidden Hand's notion throughout the entire piece to NOT believe everything and keep discernment with information as a priority.

I myself have not come across or heard of the Cassiopaean material until the past few weeks in the Avalon forums. I have heard of the Ra material for quite sometime mentioned on and off the internet through many different sources. Reason being, the popularity of the latter is because it resonated more with people as they saw it spoke much more truth [supposedly]. And with that popularity also translate over to what may come to attention to say Hidden Hand, and probably didn't because it didn't resonate as much with his people, if his people even exist. Psychoanalysis is in store to fully understand this writing, not just fact matching, along with most pieces of writing.

And with that notion, according to Hidden Hand, factually and philosophically, THE INFORMATION WILL NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY.

If you look solely within each material, Hidden Hand's and Ra's, and ignoring their relation to any other material (outside factual information), Hidden Hand is more consistent in his facts, well I have discovered several inconsistencies within the work of Ra, as in some of the Ra material contradicts itself. My conclusion is that Hidden Hand is rather accurate in his 85%-90% remark to the material.

[NOWIAM]

“peterh” You are VERY difficult to understand. I'm not sure what your point is? Can you write less and say MORE in a clearer way?

Now, in regards to HH's group involving themselves with negative actions...

I would venture to say that even if someone doesn’t do a negative act directly but merely provokes the act through “seduction”, manipulation, etc, they are still responsible for that negative act. Are you suggesting that they wouldn’t be?

[symbolon]

I have read and re-read H_H's post's. Personally, and as far as i am aware of, the information is factual and can be trusted. It simply resonated so strongly with me, because i have read this before, though in many different forms and guises. The words may have been different but the content was fundamentally the same. The moment H_H mentioned 'The Game' i remembered where i had seen this before.

You can read about the game and it's rules here... http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

Scroll down until you see..

1. EndGame, Earth and Higher Selfes
2. The Game and The Players
3. Information on some Basic Rules on the Game
4. Multi-Density Experiential Pathways and Earth Incarnation

Happy studying....

[shijing]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I keep an open level of discernment with any information, but with this, you also need to take in account the context and ALL of this information that is presented. A very important thing to understand in the material are these three notions from the Hidden hand Material:

1.) The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It is approximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen.

2.) Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you.

3.) Hidden Hand's notion throughout the entire piece to NOT believe everything and keep discernment with information as a priority.

I myself have not come across or heard of the Cassiopaean material until the past few weeks in the Avalon forums. I have heard of the Ra material for quite sometime mentioned on and off the internet through many different sources. Reason being, the popularity of the latter is because it resonated more with people as they saw it spoke much more truth [supposedly]. And with that popularity also translate over to what may come to attention to say Hidden Hand, and probably didn't because it didn't resonate as much with his people, if his people even exist. Psychoanalysis is in store to fully understand this writing, not just fact matching, along with most pieces of writing.

And with that notion, according to Hidden Hand, factually and philosophically, THE INFORMATION WILL NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY.

If you look solely within each material, Hidden Hand's and Ra's, and ignoring their relation to any other material (outside factual information), Hidden Hand is more consistent in his facts, well I have discovered several inconsistencies within the work of Ra, as in some of the Ra material contradicts itself. My conclusion is that Hidden Hand is rather accurate in his 85%-90% remark to the material.

Hi Gregor -- Thanks for your opinion on this material, and the stimulating conversation. No matter where HH is really coming from, it is entirely possible that there is some valid material in his exposition -- if we ever hear from him again, I am open to being surprised and more impressed than I have been so far. For now, here are my two main concerns regarding the points you make above.

First, the three points you list are absolutely valid in terms of being important criteria by which to judge a purported source of information. Assume for the sake of argument that you were someone who wanted to fake this kind of information (for whatever reason -- psy-op, boredom, whatever), and were pretty well-versed in this kind of literature. There are certain key things that you would pick up to tell people that would make you seem credible, such as 'keep what resonates with you', 'it doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not', 'giving specific dates is a sign of a corrupt channel', and so on. These are trust-inspiring because they are either true or indicative that material is being placed before ego, but the key point is that they can also be learned as 'talking points'.

The second is that internal consistency doesn't necessarily indicate reliability -- as a matter of fact, in the event of a hoax, you might expect that the hoaxer would want to get their story straight and be very, even conspicuously consistent. What I am more concerned about is consistency across sources, although I know that its an issue that can get thorny really quickly.

Also, although the average person out there (even in this community) might not have heard about the Cassiopaean material, if what HH says is true, then he is a member of an ultra-high bloodline family with (at least partly) alien genetic material and undoubtedly incredible resources at his disposal -- it just seems unlikely that there wouldn't be a database that he and his family has access to that wouldn't collect exactly this type of information as it appeared, since it is congruent with the paradigm he is working within and presumably a threat to the greater Luciferian agenda.

Just as a point of interest, here are pertinent passages in both the Ra and Cassiopaean material that reference Lucifer. First, from the Ra material:

'Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.'

This *could* be consistent with the material from HH. Next, from the Cassiopaeans:

'Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.

Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?

Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.

Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn “the hard way.”

Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?
A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.'

One more interesting tidbit is that the Cassiopaeans themselves describe the Ra material as 63% accurate (and their own close to 90%).

[peterh]

The argument is true do not to spread "doom and gloom" feelings of fear and paranoia, but in the same time we should not supplant the possibility to. All fallen churches work whit fear (and shame) to mind control there people. But we can not forget that we have in fact 2 world wide wars and many other wars, witch for the people enfolded it is in fact "doom and gloom". If you would be a Jew short before the nazis take power, to take the "doom and gloom" very serious, could maybe safe your life. Many Jew louse there life's because they think "it will not come so bad" and "people can not be so wicked". Oh yes, they can.

There is the difficulty, to tray to see the truth what ever it is, even if it is scary and dirty, but keep silence in your inside and balance your feelings whit creative mind creating the positive reality in your inside. This is true work, and of course has to be developed and first you will feel some side effects and it can be dangerous too, like a sports man wen his mussels hurt wen hi trains them or he destroy something wen he push him self to hart and to fast. (if you read some of me precious texts, you can see, me "mussels" still hurt.) It is not the true way to push away the bad and dangerous aspects of the reality we life inside, by turning the head away. This is not really strong positive, it is ignorance and vary dangerous. And it was ones of the importuned mind control aspects of the new-age movement. And a other new-age manipulation was to let the people destroy there ego (mind body) instead of the egoism (the cancer in the ego body). But it is the harder way to really work on the own character power to tray to see the reality how it really is, and if it is bad, to work for the positive from inside and outside, whit your power you build be doing this. It takes time and patience, and it is work, hard word.

Every true philosopher know from what i speak, wen he truly tray to find answers on the questions, "what is the sense of life" or more harder "what is the sense of evil". There is even the danger to handle such heavy philosophical problems like "good and evil", in creates a strong tension between this polarities, and is a heavy load for the mind. But we are here, so we can expect that we ask for this experience, and it is not a easy one.

A last word. It is important to see the different perspectives, from the perspective of infinity and all-one, and the ego perspective in limitations. Even if we are all-one, all inoculated even the most evil mind from the perspective of infinity. But now we are here and experience limitations, and this means there is no excuse for evil actions. So long we life in limitations, we can not use qualities of infinity to excuse our actions in a limited continuum. This reality give you the possibility to experience evil, but it will keep you in responsibility so that you have to work out a complete experience, and nobody and nothing force you to make this experience, only you ask for it through your use of free will. So that we are all-one in infinity is not a excuse to be a evil person or a devilish seducer. So be careful for what experiences you ask for, because you have to complete them. And to stop the evil is good for all sides, then more longer the luciferians can puch up the time cycles, more harder and longer it will be for them to complete there experiences. So at least we help all if we free our self from egoism, and take our self out of seduction.

[Gnosis5]

I guess all this Clearing work and training I am doing is raising my awareness in certain spheres and whereas before I was not very interested in the Hidden Hand data it seems easier for me know that I have gone and seen some thing for myself in my Clearing sessions.

HH wrote:
In the Beginning, there is The Infinite One. This is the Source of All. Intelligent Infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within It, is unlimited potential, waiting to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarved block" of your Taoist traditions.

Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself, and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rd Density comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is a point of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite Intelligent Energy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too to experience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in the Creational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's Infinite Intelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the Great Central Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can then in turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words, each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (or distortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In the beginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thought expressed and made manifest as Creator.

There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Energy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation. This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.
Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.

Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.

From what I have been able to view of my own "hyperhistory" that took me back to the beginning he speaks of, this "Single Deity" or state of Sovereignty it true for every one of us, and not just a single "Single Deity". The "game" is to keep you from finding this out for yourself and the science of keeping you otherwise occupied has already been written and perfected.

Yes, he is right, if you are on this planet, then you have a lotta lotta clearing work to do to sequentially uncollapse yourself from all your previous identities until you are cleared of fixation and polarities and you once again realize yourself as "Single Deity", a sovereign being.

I am not a member of his family yet I in my Clearng work revisited the first point in this universe cycle where I decided to become an energy producing unit. I even installed the mechanism whereby I would go reactive everytime certain things occurred. I had to Clear that out first.

Even though I have installed an identity on this planet and am still in great need of continuing my clearing work, once I did the work to clear my fixation on a certain Game Lord I knew then that I had made the decision to step outside the Stream of Life, as I so choose.

Because he wants you to stay in the negative polarity, or seniorly to that simply to stay polarized, he cannot want your sanity, and he cannot introduce the idea of Clearing Modalitities except in a cynical manner, so far gone is this being.

He moves further and further away from himself as Single Deity, so the joke in the end might be on him if he does not pay attention. Hoisted on his own petard, as the idiom goes.

The one rule that this Universe seems to not have is "The right to one's own sanity". That is the "out clause" they are using to get around the rule of "The Right to One's own Self-Determinism" and "The Right to Leave a Game".

There is a two-pronged way to handle this:

Do your chosen Clearing path as if your spiritual life depended on it (it does),

and, besides helping others to do their Clearing work,

Get up to the ability level where you can be calmly aware of and clear this sort of interfering being by "Being" them and processing them effectively while "Being" them. This is very subtle and very powerful. Do this on a gradient so that you do not outstrip your cleared capabilities.

I already overreached my abilities a few days ago and received some attention that I was not quite able to handle as it was occurring -- nothing that I cannot handle with my current resources, but sort of a pain in the neck for about the last week. It is all for good though because I will simply put more integrity into my processing.

But overall, what I am seeing is that once I address a being in terms of "What incident are you sitting in...?" whilst I am being that being (there is a partner running me on this process while I am being that being) I've just helped one more planetary Satrap happily opt for early retirement because he "self-realized".

I first learned of this humane and effective approach to Clearing in a PEAT course.

As for telling us that we are all pieces of Lucifer, okay I can have that. I've seen all kinds of beings or archetypes that I collapsed into on my way down the spiral. A good clearing process will easily uncollapse one from the Lucifer viewpoint or any other viewpoint/archetype one created.

A basic truth I saw is that if I have attention on it I created it and my clearing processes simply help me to go and look and see and duplicate the first time I did that. Then the creation becomes smaller and smaller and less fixed and, "Poof, where did it go?", lol. Many times a related
fixed polarity decision also goes "Poof".

If you cleared out all of your fixed polarities what would HH and his poor family have to get a handle on you? They wouldn't be able to get you excited and involved anymore. Game over.

In the endpoint they would thank you it is just that they are further away than you are of realizing their Single Deity/Sovereignty and are doing exactly what HH told you not to do -- look for the God you are and not outward for The Creator.

In a way I make this sound all simple and I guess up unto the first "Clear" milestone it is fairly straighforward. What comes next is for myself somewhat uncharted territory, but we can keep it as simple or as complex as we choose.

Hope that helps balance out the distorted picture HH gave out. The only way he would ever tell you you are Creator Gods is if he knew you would never do the work and overcome the apparent barriers to realize it for yourselves.

[TRANCOSO]

On 10-30-2009, 08:11 PM I started a new thread - Beyond 21/12/2012 (Hidden Hand) - where I quoted an excerpt of Hidden Hand's answer to a question about 21/12/2012.

I did so, because I was quite impressed by the Hidden Hand Dialogues, originally posted at ATS, where I had found the material. By starting this thread, I wanted to tickle the curiousity of those to whom that particular excerpt would be a trigger to dig a little deeper into the 'Hidden Hand material'.

I think the 'Hidden Hand Dialogues' are a 'must read' and worthwhile to take notice of.

After I digested the parts I found of interest to me, I turned my focus on something completely different.

Instinctively, or call it intuition, I think that the Puppet Master behind Hidden Hand and the 'Galactic Federation' / 'Aton' etc. stuff, is one and the same person, namely Supriem David Rockefeller.

And no, I don't think he's writing any of it himself.
But he has the means, motive and money to make it happen.

And this guy is for real. Flesh and (blue)blood(ish).

[TRANCOSO]

That's it?

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

My 2 cents

There is nothing in the interviews that is new to many of us who have been searching for the Truth.

There is nothing in the interviews that cannot be taken from other sites and used as his own information.

What I know of the darkside:

They are tricksters and liars.

They are not of love nor are they doing this because of their love for humanity

They love to distract people of light

Remember The path is narrow, waste NO time!

I align with the master teacher Yeshua when he said,

"GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN"

Why do you think Ra is right and HH is wrong?