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On the highest levels of creation, the level of the source and the logos, there is no such thing as 'karma' and 'sacrifice' and 'atonement'. On that level, there is only the source energy labeled as Love and the potential to EXPRESS this Love-Energy in whatever creative avenue presents itself in imagination and in imagery, say words and symbols and hieroglyphs. This is why thought is followed by emotion/feeling about the thought is followed by (often ingenious) implementation and creation of the 'emotional thought'. Jesus of Nazareth was one of many; BUT he remembered himself as existing before spacetime creation and THEREFORE, not because of any supernatural preconditions, did he MANIFEST the Cosmic Logos, hithereto laying dormant for anyone to 'take up as a CROSS' and to carry in the manifestation of this Logos aka the 'Office of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek'. Jesus so became the 'Office Bearer' of the Cross and his crucifixion was the physical manifesto of the office and had nothing whatsoever to do with 'atonement for sins=ignorance' and such dogmatic labelings. Thousands of people were crucified by the Romans, but only Jesus COULD USE his own physical death to OVERCOME the grave in PHYSICALLY resurrecting. There is a very simple reason as to WHY Jesus could 'overcome physical deterioration'. Ordinarily, people who die, suffer decomposition and decay of their physical shells. This then frees the soul, who then CONTINUES its evolutionary journey through the astral (hyperspace) and say the etheric (quantumspace) colocal dimensions until it potentially reaches the 'source-space' (omnispace) of the mythological heaven or nirvana. Jesus KNEW, as the Cosmic Logos, that he had nowhere to go. He could not continue his own quest to 'find the source' on the soul level, because he was already AS ONE with the nirvana ('I am in the bosom of the father and the father dwells in me in the kingdom of heaven' and such statements of his). So after 'death' Jesus' 'ghost or spirit' became as One with the ENTIRE UNIVERSE {John.19.30}. This is simply the wave-particle duality of quantum mechanics applied not just to the familiar electron say, but to all the atomic and subatomic 'particles' which comprised Jesus' physical bodyform. The physical realism of the resurrection so is nothing 'supernatural', but advanced quantum theory. The importance of the crucifixion is so simply the FULFILMENT of the archetypes and as found in the Old Testament/Torah, which Jesus had studied and deciphered in preparation for the fulfilment of the timeline. This is why refereces such as: '..so the scriptures are fulfilled'; ...'as it was written'; ...'..everything shall pass awaym but my words shall not pass away'..etc. etc. are so prevalent in the New Testament. The records of the channelings of 'A course in miracles' are ok in generality, but not complete in its claim of being the 'words of the holy spirit'. AA |
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Hi Abraxas,
The search for truth has lead me to path of Kabbalah and on investigation I feel strongly that Jesus must have had a background in this "Science". Apparently it was the teaching that Abraham gave in his tent probably around the time of Thubin as the pole star. The science supports your discourse. So I guess you could say this is a thumbs up to what you have shared. This video supports your number theory: this path of knowledge found me which is interesting. Indeed as I seem to be working below so work is being done above both heading for the middle road. I just want to say thanks for sharing your information. Regards, Andrew Last edited by Initiate; 02-11-2010 at 04:46 PM. |
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Hi Abrax, the fact that whenever you post e new reply here there's a kind of trigger and possible explanations for some 'issues' which I'm still trying to understand, is pretty astounishing. Therefore...
...I would have two more questions for you. First for the bellow: Quote:
So, I was (and still am) wondering what this could have mean, as I've never been an aggresive person, nor I was in any war... Remarkable...and strangely...but not long after these dreams stopped, a process started in which I became what I am today...a much, very much different person, without any fear...to cut the story here, I became ME as I know ME and as you know ME! Now, If I follow the analogy in your answer to Spregovori, then I must assume that back then, 'I was killing' all other aspects of I AM, that should've evtl. stand on the way in the process of my 'awakening'. Is there any truth in this analogy of mine? ...and second, to this: Quote:
(I am however, aware that 'what goes around comes around', if I can label karma that way. And that karma really could occur...if some circumstances allow). Now, there could be two explanations, or both of them are correct, when it comes to the fact why I don't think that 'karma' could affect ME. The first explanation would be the fact that I don't have any feelings or memories of any previous lifes in this evolutionary cycle...(which fits the informations I got from two sources, that my last 'appearance' here should've been back in the times of Atlantis). The second explanation...well, you just delivered a possible one, and this is another of the so called 'aha-moments'. Quote:
Could it be, that I'm beginning to 'tap' in this highest levels of creation...free from any boundaries, free from anything? (or is it only my ego speaking here?) Anyway, I feel no presence of any 'karma'... so why not? Thanks in advance for your short reply and opinion. with ![]() malletzky |
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When the ego has matured, it will discover the one important thing, namely its oneness with the divine ego of creation and the universal logos. Then the individual little logos will 'surrender' to the 'big logos' and so become graduated into the 'highest order' as you stated it. The outcome then is just as you have found out for yourself. The prime directive of the highest order is simply Individual Creativity IN THE NAME of that order, say God or Prime Creator or All That Is. So once the 'prodigal sons and daughters' have matured their little human egos of separatedness into big divine egos of unity; the ideas of karma and divisiveness in polar oppostions will blend into duality within the monadic Oneness. AA |
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So nothing wrong with me and my feelings. ![]() ![]() THANK YOU! Malletzky |
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Abraxas --
1 Thanks a bunch for your comments on "substitutionary atonement." they were very helpful. i also liked the way you put this (i guess it's you...in one of your various versions...John Shadow aka Hans Schatten) in the intro to the channeled info i quoted earlier: ".....it is the RESURRECTION within Yourselves and NOT the Crucifixion, which becomes the PIVOT for your existence and partnership with the historical Yeshua. He 'gave up' his human existence, so he could BECOME the universal body, which encompasses all of you as a 'LightBody'. All of you are 'trapped' like cells in the Body of Christ, which spans both the Old Earth as a subrealm of the entire universe and the Old Universe as its encompassment. "So to GET OUT of the enveloping body; you are required to REDEEM Yourselves in bearing witness to the Cosmic Neverending Story and to become Reborn in the Resurrection. 2012 will be the nexus point, when everyone, alive dead and dead alive will have the opportunity to SEVER the umbilical cord, connecting you to the Old Universal Body Gestalt. "Not all will be able to Cut the Cords of the Rebirth, which shall be universal at the Beginning of the New Cycle of the Starhumanity. "All of you will eventually 'come to see the Cosmic Christ' within yourselves; but then many of the sceptics and the nay-sayers MUST have 'eggs and tomatoes' on their illuminated faces - so be it! "I end with this and any queries, I might answer at a later time or perhaps through my scribe John Shadow, who IS NOT the Tony B, many of you believe him to be. "IAmWhoIAm - the Channel of John Shadow!" 2 AA -- do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?) and how you view them. the highlighted phrases above are so intriguing! 3 Also (hopefully i'm not being too pesty here) ![]() "Helen Shucman claimed to channel Yeshuah aka the Jesus of conventional Christianity..... "Generally, and akin to the Seth channel of Jane Roberts; Helen Shucman transmits at the 99% percentile in a mode very near superconsciousness - meaning she is fully conscious when transmitting her messages. "Her claim to write in the name of Jesus/Yeshua so deserves great credibility." As ever, Abraxas, i so appreciate your time and energy on our behalf! hippihill Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 02-11-2010 at 03:55 PM. |
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This has not changed, but the 2nd order simply understands the true Yeshuah as being necessarily 'more filtered' in polarisation in 3rd order than is the case in 2nd order. Yeshuah himherself would operate from 1st order. AA |
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To all of you:
I know that at anytime I or those contributing to this thread may loose access or their ability to participate here do to circumstances beyond our control. Since there is no time like the present I wish to take a moment and extend a heart felt and humble thanks to all of you who have participated and contributed to Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) For me it has proven to be one of the most illuminating and revealing discussions I have ever witnessed and is one of the primary reasons for my participation with Project Avalon. I have known for years that there was 'something more' than the few strategically placed kernels of truth that I have been spoon fed throughout my lifetime. I have also taken Jesus at his word and have held close to my heart his admonishment to 'Knock and the door shall be opened'. I believe that through this thread some of those 'doors have been opened'. I have not reached closure as of yet but have a renewed interest in the vital questions that have perplexed me over the years and I would guess, many others as well. A special thanks to you Abraxas, for your contribution with your deep incites and revelations. You have made my mind flip inside and out and twist over and upon itself, which I am afraid was sorely needed! I thank you and hold a deep gratitude to you for this and ask one additional question: Is it within your power to show us the process by which we may also, gain access to the Thubane Records? Peace to all of you! Last edited by bigmo; 02-11-2010 at 05:00 PM. |
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While I go back and read the other 43 pages of this thread (which may take some time!)
Is there anyone that wouldn't mind giving a few important recaps? I know, just based on the first few pages, that may be a lot to ask... Feel free to message me or respond in thread. |
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dddaniel --
it definitely would be worth your time and energy to reread this 43-page thread ![]() Hope you Enjoy the Ride, dddaniel!!! ![]() hippihillbobbi |
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Abraxas --
do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?) Sure hippihill! John Shadow is English for Hans Schatten as the same ID. This ID 'walked-in' for a previous ID TonyB. aka the owner of the website you found this material on. John Shadow aka Hans Schatten were 'walked-in' by Abraxas in so eliminating the 'channeling' of say 3rd order by a 2nd order closer to the source. So then does it correlate that Sirebard Beardris is a "walk-in" for Abraxas??? And, while we're on the subject, AA ..... what exactly IS a walk-in? I suppose it's different from channelling in that Tony-John/Hans-Abraxas are all conscious while the information is being communicated??? Thanks again, AA. hippihill |
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Hi Abraxas,
One question. What do you think about this video. Is it true? can it be harmful?. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFC4vAR7yI Thank you, |
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hehehe...Hippihill...I belong to these folks that really have to skip some parts of that advanced math, altough I consider myself having some good maths and physics background. But that doesn't stop me of considering the presented material on these pages as highly intriguing, highly open minded, highly controversal, highly... ![]() If we are above to accept the fact that we should consider all, really all possibilities about the nature of the 'true' existance of the human race (phisycaly and non-phisycaly, no matter what 'true' might mean), these pages must be contributed as a part of the wholeness. Ignoring something makes ME ignorant and therefore limited in my further 'evolution' Thank you all and thank you Abrax for your time and efforts. with much respect malletzky |
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what was the price on her head ?
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Hi migp! It is well known by the brotherhood of the snake (illuminati+luminari); that the subliminal programming using 'catch words', like 'dying NASA scientist' or 'contact UFO' etc. can be very effective across a wide spectrum of the viewing populance. This videa especially uses a potent archetype in the symbolic wheel of 13 starsign symbols - including the sign of the 'serpent tamer'. The three little circles form the root reduced 12=1+2=3; 11=1+1=2 and 10=1+0=1. The clip is so NOT dangerous for the informed watcher, but can lead into 'mind confusions' for the underinformed. AA |
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This 'graduation' allowed publication of the timeline mentioned a number of times in these messages. The significance is, that the timeline in the pyramid converges with the Mayan timeline converges with the scriptural prophecies. For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}. You will NOT find this correlation anywhere on the earthplane, even the hidden databases are unaware of this. AA |
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Do you agree with the comparison to the Thuban material or does the lack of comment indicate a lack of agreement? |
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As you did not directly ask a question in your quoted message before, but stated that the posted video link is in contextual support of the Thuban material, I did not reply to your earlier post. If I do not reply to something, then either it is not meaningful for me to reply or I am in agreement with the message as stated. If the former, then the message or post might have been 'ad hominem' or relative to me in my function of a Thubanese messenger, in some manner 'immature or puerile' in 'attacking' some context or answer and so a reply on my behalf would simply exacerbate a 'disagreement' in such context of 'mental immaturity'. If the latter, as was the case with your video (which I viewed), then I would obviously be in agreement with the stated message. Again if a question would have been asked, then I would have answered, except if asked in the former 'abusive' scenarios. Now to answer your question here. I viewed this video and it is well founded in its generality; especially in its emphasis of the 'circle of nothingness' also being 'everythingness'. This translates to the Nothing=Nullstate of the Void=Eternity and then becomes 'finitized' in the 12-dimensional supermembrane scenario of contemporary brane theories. So the only thing I would partially disagree with in your video is the statement, that the 'All That Is' cannot be discerned in some form of finitized comprehensible formalism, namely said omni-physics. Overall, this video is kabbalistic in its generality and comprehension of the beginnings and orgins of the cosmogony, without indicating the approach to define such cosmogony as the ontology for any then emerging cosmology. AA |
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