I'm so confused about 2012

[kari]

Originally Posted by Carol

bliss is lovely... however, fresh baked bread is bliss too.

Hi Carol,you can add kiitos to your "thank you" list,it is thank you in Finnish,as for your concern of what will happen in 2012 or when our jorney continues in our afterlife,i think we don`t have to do anything to prepare for that,and why i think in those terms is the followingn earth there are billions of people and only a few know or have an idea of what is coming,but what about the rest of the people that live here? Think about it,not many have access to the information that is on the internet,people with no money,computers or who don`t even have the possibility to go to school,they would all be left behind?No i don`t think so,it`s like if it would be "only the elit" is going to graduate,and the rest will be left behind.
I belive that if you are a good person,helpful,loving and think of others(it does not mean you should forget yourself) you are qualified to go on.
We can if we choose to, help people in need,and to do that without the thought"what`s in it for me" but because we feel in our hearts that it is and it feels good to do a good deed.
It`s a everyday thing that we do,keep the door open to old people,to young people,to anybody that needs a helping hand,it can`t be a trip only for the peolpe with knowledge and money for if that is the case, i wouldn`t bother to go,because then it would be the same as it is now, and we would all be in the same **** as we are in today. Don`t worry to much,just be yourself and live your life,do what you feel is right and enjoy your life.
Kari

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by kari

Hi Carol,you can add kiitos to your "thank you" list,it is thank you in Finnish,as for your concern of what will happen in 2012 or when our jorney continues in our afterlife,i think we don`t have to do anything to prepare for that,and why i think in those terms is the followingn earth there are billions of people and only a few know or have an idea of what is coming,but what about the rest of the people that live here? Think about it,not many have access to the information that is on the internet,people with no money,computers or who don`t even have the possibility to go to school,they would all be left behind?No i don`t think so,it`s like if it would be "only the elit" is going to graduate,and the rest will be left behind.
I belive that if you are a good person,helpful,loving and think of others(it does not mean you should forget yourself) you are qualified to go on.
We can if we choose to, help people in need,and to do that without the thought"what`s in it for me" but because we feel in our hearts that it is and it feels good to do a good deed.
It`s a everyday thing that we do,keep the door open to old people,to young people,to anybody that needs a helping hand,it can`t be a trip only for the peolpe with knowledge and money for if that is the case, i wouldn`t bother to go,because then it would be the same as it is now, and we would all be in the same **** as we are in today. Don`t worry to much,just be yourself and live your life,do what you feel is right and enjoy your life.
Kari

I agree with you. It is possible to fall into a 'master-race' trap where only the 'special-people' make it. While I believe in the pursuit of the highest ethical and spiritual levels...this should be for the elevation of the entire human-race...not just ME! From my religious upbringing...there is a quote which I have been unable to forget: 'Those whom Christ commends in the judgment may have known little of theology, but they have cherished His principles. Through the influence of the divine Spirit they have been a blessing to those about them. Even among the heathen are those who have cherished the spirit of kindness; before the words of life had fallen upon their ears, they have befriended the missionaries, even ministering to them at the peril of their own lives. Among the heathen are those who worship God ignorantly, those to whom the light is never brought by human instrumentality, yet they will not perish. Though ignorant of the written law of God, they have heard His voice speaking to them in nature, and have done the things that the law required. Their works are evidence that the Holy Spirit has touched their hearts, and they are recognized as the children of God. How surprised and gladdened will be the lowly among the nations, and among the heathen, to hear from the lips of the Saviour, "Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." How glad will be the heart of Infinite Love as His followers look up with surprise and joy at His words of approval!'--Desire of Ages, pg. 686 by Ellen White.

[sammytray]

Maybe the REAL 2012 is not until 2017... then what???? More time for bread??

[piers2210]

Hey Ortho, one small "proviso" to your statement about the "elevation of the entire human race".....

you can't take with you those people that choose positively not to go....and there are lots of them.

Most people still don't know that there is a cosmic plan for earth awakening, and if they did, they sure as hell wouldn't want to leave behind their worlds of ego, domination, greed, corruption, abuse of others etc etc....I suggest that these types are positively LEFT BEHIND.....!!!

Atb, Piers

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by piers2210

Hey Ortho, one small "proviso" to your statement about the "elevation of the entire human race".....

you can't take with you those people that choose positively not to go....and there are lots of them.

Most people still don't know that there is a cosmic plan for earth awakening, and if they did, they sure as hell wouldn't want to leave behind their worlds of ego, domination, greed, corruption, abuse of others etc etc....I suggest that these types are positively LEFT BEHIND.....!!!

Atb, Piers

and i know many who believe there is no thing wrong with the world as it is today ... that someone is always covering their backs ... that it is those who are saying otherwise that are causing and directing corruption ... causing the disturbance ...

they will remain trapped within their egos ... having no insight of what is illusion and what is not ...

and we must come to respect that ... and i have ...

the focus must remain on moving forward ...

for those that know there is no going backwards ...

[alchemikey]

i don't think anyone is completly sure about the next couple years...all i know is that the idea of oneness is spreading like wildfire and is leading towards something...my heart resonates with the law of one material or maybe that was my intellect that so enjoyed the universal spin on things

i trust my dreams the most as they have been guiding my entire life...i have had a dream where the entire sky got very bright and i was ecstatic jumping around yelling 'it's finally here'

i had a similar dream last night where i was talking with a firend about how i wished 2012 would just get here and then the next thing i remember i was lying on the ground looking up at the stars and e.t. from the movie was like floating from star to star and there was this blue expanding ring...i dont know dreams are pretty confusing too

i have many desires left to be experienced...i don't feel like i could ever exhaust them...i could travel the earth my entire life and not experience a fraction of the beauty that is here...not to mention the universe

well we have eternity...let's enjoy our infinite nature

peace,
mikey

[alchemikey]

wow...so like after posting my last post i went over to http://www.realitysandwich.com and then clicked on the link about the future of everything:

http://spacecollective.org/

hmm i thought as i looked and played around with this beautiful blue ring

then i enter the site and read:

"where forward thinking terrestrials exchange ideas and information about the state of the species, their planet and the universe, living the lives of science fiction today"

gotta love it,
mikey

[pyrangello]

You know I bounce alot of this stuff off of my girlfriend, she doesn't read much of this site but is very spiritual, she always tells me that the changes are not for everyone, even close family members and it when she says that she says that with such conviction and i,m talking about a sweet southern gal from alabama. It kind of blows me away -WE WILL BE O.K. , I think that will apply to many if not all on the avalon site. We are all getting educated and comforted by the interpetations of our thoughts and bouncing them off one another so kind of sort out THE WAYS if you will. It's that knowledge from here that will lead us into anything that is thrown at us not going into it with fear but knowing we will make it thru this .

Last night I looked at the stars before I went to bed, this morning I got up at 5 a.m. and 2 of my 3 dogs got up one by one to say good morning and then went back to sleep. One of the dogs is a rescue dog off the streets, you can see the gratitude of what she has today and I show it back every morning as they watch me go to work. . Yep it's gonna be another good day to pay attention to what matters the most.I love that phrase, worry about yourself and create the light, don't worry about others , they will follow the light when it's time.............................................. .............................

[piers2210]

Because its so good, I'll re-post David Wilcock's latest interview which was originally posted on the Astralwalker thread, about an hour in he really gets going on the 2012 transition....

in summary: basically nothing to worry about, everything's going to be just fine.

I feel confident in what Wilcock says, a convincing speaker.

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-59174/TS-182882.mp3

The interview is about 1 hour 36 mins in total.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by sammytray

Maybe the REAL 2012 is not until 2017... then what???? More time for bread??

That would explain the dream I had last year that I will die in 2017 or 2018. But that message was delivered to me by an unfriendly entity so may be it's not true. It wanted to scare me.

[avyaktam]

The concepts of 2012 and ascensension (how do you spell that?) fail to trigger anything in me. The mayan religion never triggered my interest either, but I know they used human sacrifice (just as satanist do today), and I fail to see how something from such an obscure source in the past can be the pivotal information regarding the great spiritual changes that are taking place today.
Also the concept of ascension smells of the same escapatism expressed by Budism and many Indian filosophies; with the motto this world is an illusion get out of it and you are free. I also fail to see any advantage in ascending into the 4th dimension. From what I understand they mean the astral plane with that, well that is a level of existence mainly filled with beings and enteties that are all but spiritual, a very dangerous environment full with traps, illusions and false powers, an environmont that fullfills more the 'needs' of the ego than of the soul. Did we all go through this long and often painful evolution as a kind of school, just for a few souls to graduate and move on? I think the manifestation has a greater purpose that this. For me transformation is the keyword, the One expressing it/him/her self in the multitude more and more, the Kingdom on earth. And who said that the human as we know it now was the last step of the evolution?

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

The concepts of 2012 and ascensension (how do you spell that?) fail to trigger anything in me.

It is really good that you think of it this way, and that you have faith in your personal discrimination abilities is commendable. You can't go far wrong on your path if you keep doing that. Question everything!

I think people think about us humans and forget about the Earth. As I understand it, the Earth is the main player in the show right now.

It is the planet that is guaranteed to ascend at this time - not us specifically - though the opportunity for us to do so is present. At this time, we are merely along for the ride, and if you have a mind to, to help the Earth with her ascension.

For me transformation is the keyword, the One expressing it/him/her self in the multitude more and more, the Kingdom on earth. And who said that the human as we know it now was the last step of the evolution?

Follow your heart.

You may be interested to read the Law Of One series - that may offer you some new insights on things.

A..

[Jnana]

I have been digging into the origins of the 2012 phenomenon and it looks to me to be entirely fabrication. The so-called Mayan origins of the December 21, 2012 date are tenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst. There is nothing special going on in the way of either planetary or galactic alignment at that time. The notion of a geographic pole shift "just happening" has no basis in reality. To put it simply, people are just making this stuff up for their own strange reasons.

That's not to say we aren't facing a host of VERY REAL problems. Civilization cannot go on much longer on the current path. Due to overpopulation we are facing major problems with pollution, resource depletion, and potential famine due to severe changes in the weather. Economic irresponsibility and greed have made a mess of the global economy. California and the midwest (New Madrid fault) are due for big earthquakes. Climate change may result in higher sea levels and destroy coastal cities everywhere. The list goes on.

The extremely wealthy of the world who are forcing the planet to keep running on rapidly depleting fossil fuel supplies are one of the biggest problems. They are insane and will not be easy to dislodge. It may be necessary to "crash the system" to get rid of them. Support the free energy project of your choice, and tell Obama it's time for some real change. We may just be able to muddle through. Maybe.

Focusing on 2012 detracts from looking at what is going on around us and doing something about it. We need to get out of denial and fix this mess ourselves. I believe those who are waiting for ascension and a 4D salvation will continue to wait for a long time (George Green calls this New Age nonsense in his recent interview - he thinks 2012 is a date TPTB have set for completing their population reduction plans). 2012 will come and go, we will still be here, and the problems will still be unsolved. Civilization may collapse, not because of "them", but because of "us" - because we fail to remain civilized in the face of great challenges - because of selfishness and fear.

Small changes add up. Find a way to connect locally, heart to heart, with people in need. There are children in need of responsible parents and mentors in every community (I highly recommend the Big Brother Big Sister program). Food banks are having trouble because of the economy. Do what you can - how it changes you is the important thing.

[Czymra]

Amen Jnana, I do participate in the 2012 meditations et al but I firmly hope that the others, like me, don't just lose themselves in the fixation on a coming ascension, that indeed does suggest itself.
The whole research, the amount of books there are, the different interpretations, oh it's Solaris all over again (read that book). I think it is an important date for someone/thing has planned toward it and it is a cosmically unique happening, but why would you want to know what it really is about?
Be now.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by Jnana

I have been digging into the origins of the 2012 phenomenon and it looks to me to be entirely fabrication. The so-called Mayan origins of the December 21, 2012 date are tenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst. There is nothing special going on in the way of either planetary or galactic alignment at that time. The notion of a geographic pole shift "just happening" has no basis in reality. To put it simply, people are just making this stuff up for their own strange reasons.

That's not to say we aren't facing a host of VERY REAL problems. Civilization cannot go on much longer on the current path. Due to overpopulation we are facing major problems with pollution, resource depletion, and potential famine due to severe changes in the weather. Economic irresponsibility and greed have made a mess of the global economy. California and the midwest (New Madrid fault) are due for big earthquakes. Climate change may result in higher sea levels and destroy coastal cities everywhere. The list goes on.

The extremely wealthy of the world who are forcing the planet to keep running on rapidly depleting fossil fuel supplies are one of the biggest problems. They are insane and will not be easy to dislodge. It may be necessary to "crash the system" to get rid of them. Support the free energy project of your choice, and tell Obama it's time for some real change. We may just be able to muddle through. Maybe.

Focusing on 2012 detracts from looking at what is going on around us and doing something about it. We need to get out of denial and fix this mess ourselves. I believe those who are waiting for ascension and a 4D salvation will continue to wait for a long time (George Green calls this New Age nonsense in his recent interview - he thinks 2012 is a date TPTB have set for completing their population reduction plans). 2012 will come and go, we will still be here, and the problems will still be unsolved. Civilization may collapse, not because of "them", but because of "us" - because we fail to remain civilized in the face of great challenges - because of selfishness and fear.

Small changes add up. Find a way to connect locally, heart to heart, with people in need. There are children in need of responsible parents and mentors in every community (I highly recommend the Big Brother Big Sister program). Food banks are having trouble because of the economy. Do what you can - how it changes you is the important thing.

I agree with you. There may be substantial and even devastating events which occur in 2012...but a catastrophic pole-shift or destructive close passage of Nibiru seems far-fetched. In his Project Camelot interview, John Lear basically took this view. Although, what if the moon is Nibiru...and the aliens decide to fire up the anti-gravity device...and move the Moon really close to the Earth? I'd better not give them any ideas! Perhaps we should plan for a responsible future. Our planet is how we plan-it. I anticipate a continuing paradigm-shift...but I'm expecting to continue in 3rd dimension past 2012...regardless of how positive I become, or how fast I vibrate. When I die...I expect to get recycled back into this madness in a timely manner...no heaven, no hell, no 4th or 5th dimension. We may be in the middle of Civil War II, World War III, and Reich IV....all at the same time. I hope not. I would like to see the U.S. Constitution embraced by all nations. I would like to see the New World Order Alien-Theocracy go away. I would like to see malevolent spirits and aliens go away. I would like to see war and debt COMPLETELY eliminated. These are some goals I will work toward as 2012 approaches. Mr. X indicated some type of alien appearance in 2012. Would this be NWO manufactured...or a liberation by benevolent aliens...a sort of Judgment Day? Damned if I know...

[Carol]

In listening to David Wilcox.. no worry, our bodies will be transformed into light bodies and we won't even be around for the pole shift. Meanwhile, I'll just focus on building our aquaponics system and mini houses.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Carol

In listening to David Wilcox.. no worry, our bodies will be transformed into light bodies and we won't even be around for the pole shift. Meanwhile, I'll just focus on building our aquaponics system and mini houses.

I agree that there is nothing to worry about, but the instant transformation into lightbodies might be a bit optimistic. It is perfectly Ok, though, to be in our physical bodies the next few years.

'In my book', based on the teachings from a deep source over many years, being in a physical body means freedom to create in all different directions. You have so many great projects going, and I am sure your daughter will take a leaf from your book and see the splendour and blessing all around.

(How do I access this Coast-to-Coast broadcast to listen to David, is it stored on the site?)

[solitaryman]

I was getting ready for the worst and I don't regret it ; even more after the desaster of Kentuky.We need to be ready for extreme climat changes not the end of the world for wich there's no pysical preperations,only mental ones.

[Carol]

Thanks Josefine. Here is the link to David Wilcox's interview. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2009/02/06.html

Solitaryman, after experiencing 22 degrees for almost 6 months with snow and little sunshine, that was the main reason we moved to Hawaii. Some folks like it cold, others hot.. I fall into the Baby Bear category where I like it not too hot and not too cold.

[Antonia]

Hi Carol....
Like you I am confused about asscention 2012...and the whole thing. If the soul harvest is a supposed ploy of Anu"s to keep us trapped in his universe to power it up..is this univers so bad?? I know the theory is according to the Wing makers and others that we were seduced in to this 3d 4d reality as slave workers... but surely if we are all connected by this big unifieid field of thought then we are connected to Anu and Anu must have progressed spiritually as we have.. If books like Conversations with God are all there to keep us trapped in this reality.. Anu"s ..reality how are we trapped?? When this book says we can return to Prime source when ever we want but do we want to???Lose our 3d identity? So we stay here at our own will? I guess..but then there"s the Secrets of Armenti which tells us we are 12 th dimentional beings and that beings (I guess Anunaki/Anu) want us to assend to 11th dimention when we need to go to the 12th..same story they talk of the star gate Armenti being reactivated...which sounds like the Nexus wave theory just explained differently.... then theres the Galactic federation who another gallactic federation say are conning us and that the real federation of light is different. Then theres assended masters and then we are told they are not the good guys... then theres good aleins bad aliens... the bad guys can interfear but the good guys cant... then theres accsention... but only certian people asscend... Then theres the hidden hand and the Ra materials which talk of a three way split...so many agendas.. personally I think the Elohim and the Anunaki and the Dracconians and the Armenti and God/Anu and all the rest all have their own agendas and none of them are better then the other... it depends on were you want to be?

My problem is I dont know were I want to be???

I want to go were my daughter and my loved ones and my animals are going and I dont want to abandon humanity good or bad...
I even want the manevolent Aliens the Dracosand the Illumanati to chill out and work it all out together... Im sure theres a way for every one to be happy
but Im told not...

I sat meditating and called upon them all yesterday to be accountable and clarify thier intentions...especially the Anunaki...and Anu...

I wasnt sure how they were to comunictae this to me I asked for contact in my mind and soul essence and Im getting big waves of regret and codependent feelings from Anu... He wants his universe to work... Hes bound to it and responsable for our awakining now even though this was not his orginal intention .. he has learnt so much from the human experament and wants his universe to asscend to a higher frquency but let it still be his universe... We as souls yearn to go home to the place from wence we came (Prime Source) yet parts of me are attached to Anu"s world and want"s to give it a chance..

Is this really Anu givingme this message or a part of my self??I dont know!

I dont know were to go and how to align my self in 2012 I feel very strongly that the Nexus healing is a very beautiful and positive thing but do I want to re- emerse my self with Original source yet? I like my individuality- key word Duality there... Like you I am so confused.... Cant they all just learn to merge and work together...? Is that every one and every thing re-merging with prime source and all the energy mixingin to one then bursting out in to a new omniverse and staring the whole creation thing again? IsfAnu the Elohim, the Reptillians the Carians us are all just aspects of the flame of Devine source? Then what happens at the end??

Is it all just like a play staion game of vertual reality and our higher selves are just sitting outside of the game holding the controle stick and playing the game??? How many games do we play??? What happens when we no longer want to play??? I want to stay with the souls I love some are no longer in 3rd D bodies some are... were are they all going??? Which dimention which time line?

[solitaryman]

How lucky you are,you have found your "niche" You must be an happy person.

[Czymra]

Antonia, you are aware that the different system you speak of are all 'stories' just like the one's you're told on TV?
Don't look at the players, look at what plays out.

[tone3jaguar]

There are 2 categories of knowledge when it comes to the 2012 subject. Those two categories are what you need to know, and what is interesting to learn.

What you need to know is how to stay in the moment and have gratitude. That is it, nothing else is needed. Strait forward and simple. Remember that anticipation of the future is what causes anxiety. This won't prevent you from going though it successfully. Even though it wont prevent you from making the jump to the next highest dimension in this universe, it will make it a huge pain in the ass.

The metaphysical logistics of what is going to happen are purely an intelectual study and nothing more. You could be completely oblivious to the whole thing, and as long as you are taking it as it comes and keeping your consiousness out of the past and the future, the whole thing will be as effortless as breathing. There might be the occasional athsma attack (metaphorical) due to the purging of the past from your consciousness. However, even that will pass even if you do not know what it causing it.

In 4th density the world will appear from your sensory perception to be as this world does. Loafs of bread and paints for painting will still be around. The difference is that the art of manifestation will be effortless. Instead of having to go out for the flower and yeast, you will just think about it being in the fridge and it will be there. It is just a much more positive effortless version of material reality.

Then there is upper 4th density. You continue down your archetypal learning curve in this new reality. That is unless you have already completed it here in this density. Once this evolution of your soul is finished, you will have the option of going for full 4th density ascension where in you attain an unvieled uplink to your higher self in the 7th dimension.

Even the people who die before the galactic crossing will still ascend to 4th density astral. From this point they will have the option of reincarnating on another 3rd density planet. Probably one that is at the same stage of evolution that we have been at for the last few decades. The boat may sail for some, but they can still get in the water and start swimming until they get to the shore and have the chance to get on the next boat.

[Antonia]

Id like to...see what plays out...but then Im told that we create our own reality so I have to take responsability for what plays out in my reality...so.. I have to chose a story... or maybe write my own... Hey there"s a good way of going about it... so Ill just write a story were we all end up happy together and creating beautiful realities... cheers.. Cyzmra

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Id like to...see what plays out...but then Im told that we create our own reality so I have to take responsability for what plays out in my reality...so.. I have to chose a story... or maybe write my own... Hey there"s a good way of going about it... so Ill just write a story were we all end up happy together and creating beautiful realities...

I think much light shines on you.

You do create your reality - we are all players on the stage, and you write the script.

To write your perfect story - listen to and follow your heart first, then use your mind.

A..