Long post, please give your opinion

[cloud9]

Well, I've been pondering so many things that are happening in this world and some of my own conclusions are a bit scary and others definitely are not.

The vaccine problem:
Yeah, definitely they need to infect a good number of people first and then they could implement forced vaccination for everybody else; now we see some hints were legislation is being prepared so they are getting ready for that kind of scenario in the future, there's enough evidence that it's one of their objectives.

Obama's disclosure:
I don't think it's going to happen or at least not this year, not any time soon. Again, for something like this to happen, it's necessary to have some kind of background, it's not like one day the president is going to give a speech and in the middle of it:
Dear American citizens: I have something important to tell you, we are not alone in the universe.....
Perhaps after some very good "advertised" event on the media, increasing sightings, etc. we would see interviews from military people where they would say that it's very possible we are being visited but there's still no proof, later on and after some more "events" and increased interest from the media the government would be asked about it and then perhaps we are lucky and there it is: definitely, we are being visited...

Financial meltdown:
Well, definitely big greedy corporations and individuals are getting richer every day but if the Amero has been ready for at least 3 years now and agreements have already been made and signed, what's stopping them?

Getting just 3 countries to form a group it’s certainly easier than getting the European Union done, once one group is working and people don’t seem to have problems with it, why they haven’t started this one yet? Are they going to skip the making of the groups and go directly for the one world government?
I think it’s a huge undertaking and again, there’s not enough military in the world to subjugate the rest of the population, the only way I think they could achieve something like this would be with the heaviest possible mental control not just for the military but for the population in general, a lot heavier that has been so far.
I believe every person who watches Tv is being programmed, radio is used too, music it’s just the easiest way, young people with earplugs all day long, etc., but we still don’t see zombies walking on the streets which to me, it means the individual consciousness is much, much powerful that we tend to believe, it’s not easily breakable and acts just as nature: you try to get rid of weeds and they come back every single time, you have a small patch of dirt and sure enough grass or a small plant is there, life is pervasive and not easily destroyed, it’s seems fragile but it’s not.

2012 and the shift:
I’m really on the fence on this one, on one hand I see the quickening of time right in front of me and I knew about this change since 20 years ago, I believe something really big is going on, I believe a lot of people are having experiences out of the ordinary and interacting with beings from other realms and we are being prepared for a big change.
In the other hand it seems to me humanity as a whole is not ready yet, so much violence, greed, dishonesty, lack of tolerance and compassion to name just a few problems are our daily bread.
After all I’ve heard and read, I tend to believe the shift would be possible after we all are dead in one big event being a polar shift, Planet X or whatever; it has happened in the past so it’s possible, the electromagnetic field of the planet has changed and other measurable things are known to scientists, prophecies have being given too.
For obvious reasons when we die we go to other dimension where everything is different and it would be logical to come back to a new earth and start again with a clean slate.
Now, after all of this (and there’s more to it), I still strongly believe we should be doing something to change our reality and that’s the change we really need.
Why are we being so passive and indifferent toward everything that’s going on? Why aren’t we doing something to change what we don’t like?
My belief is that when we stay silent we agree with whatever the PTB want to do, we make it very easy for them that I’m surprised is not even worse.

Mental control has being going on for a long time but still we the people are not completely subjugated, not completely unable to see and feel what is being done to us but we have become so lazy and comfortable that even the smallest changes in our behavior seem impossible.
Why are we still supporting people, corporations, governments that are slaving us?
We keep buying whatever they sell and making them more powerful, they dictate all the rules and we obey blindly.
Corporations and banks treat us as enemies and we still think we need them, isn’t that crazy?
How come nobody has ever complained or sued a bank or other company for increasing fees without a reason? I’ll give you an example:
I have 2 credit cards from Chase, one of them used to have an APR around 8% when I started using it, I have never been late and I always pay much more than the minimum payment. After just 2 years the APR has increased to almost 16% so I called to ask why and how I could get to lower it, they told me the only way to do it would be if I start paying late or don’t pay at all. Now, the other credit card, I didn’t use it for almost 3 years, one day I realized the APR was lower, around 6% so I thought I should use that one instead of the first and I did, again the interest rate has gone up.
What does it tell you? I was so mad I wanted to scream telling these people how unfair and crazy they are, if you pay in time and use their credit, they exploit you the most they can instead of awarding you for good behavior.
I can’t do much to change this by myself, the only way to do it would be if a very big group of customers decided to do something, I can’t do it alone.
I used to work for a big insurance company and every day I had to hear customers complaints knowing in my heart they were right but still I had to make people believe this is the way things are so please go with it; it broke my heart every time so I had to leave.

We all know there's a lot more to discuss here but it's very long for just one post.
The question is: How can we change all of this?
Please people, let’s gather ideas and do something for ourselves.

[14 Chakras]

How can we change all of this?

Work on yourself, surrender your stuff, move past your ego, read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, connect to the spiritual realm, work with Archangel Michael for protection then meditate, follow your heart, don't limit what God can do through you, follow your inspiration, realize that all life is interconnected and God is accessible within you, realize that we are More...

Stop fighting anything. Get back in the divine flow, the river of life. Follow the middle way, the path of balance, the path of harmony. Ask questions, always, look for answers. Realize there's no end goal, all there is is Now.

Whenever you think you've made all the progress you need to make, realize you've gotten caught up in an illusion, there is always more.

If you're not having fun, realize you're doing something wrong! Look for the blockage and surrender it.

Move past fear, know that the higher consciousness behind all of life knows exactly what you, your family and the earth needs at this moment. Connect to it, allow it to provide.

Connect to the infinite. Know that the truth is not out there. The truth is inside of you.

Be. Enter the Now. Love. Be wise as serpents. Experience truth. Be truth. Shine your light. Explore your divine talents. Know that all is well.

Be grateful.

Follow unconditional love, all the Way.

[cloud9]

Thank you 14 Chakras,
I truly believe in everything you say and I practice it as much as I can but yet I think there's something missing in the equation. All of it is good but...
All the problems we are facing are in the 3rd physical dimension where we all exist at the moment or at least one part of us, the change, the shift, the new world order and the cabal are here so following what it's been said, if we don't like our reality we can change it but how?
Why do we condenm ourselves to live or experience all of it just the way it is?
It's not that hard when you live in a place as the States, Europe or the like but if we are all one, what about the rest of us? Sure, we can survive pretty easy here and just forget about the millions of people around the world who are dying from starvation, illnesses, extreme poverty. etc.
As Mrs. Dolores Cannon says, she has never heard any of the beings she's had contact with saying we are here to have fun, being famous or rich, we are here to realize we are one so whatever happens to one of us is affecting the rest of us.
So, why are we so indifferent and apathetic? It's not a matter of fear, I'm not afraid of death, I'm worried about us not doing our homework.
I guess it's easier to go with the flow than doing something...

[Anchor]

Why do we condenm ourselves to live or experience all of it just the way it is?

We are living in a box, looking for another box with a solution in it.

The situation suits a bunch of people who want to keep things that way, so they provide compelling reasons to stay inside.

Originally Posted by cloud9

If we don't like our reality we can change it but how?

The box has a lid, it is open, it can never be fully closed, if we want we can get out. The climb up the sides can be a struggle.

I guess it's easier to go with the flow than doing something...

Staying in the box

A..

[cloud9]

Hey Anchor, it's not like we have another box (planet) to go to... so far this is the only one was given to us and what are we doing with it?

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by cloud9

Hey Anchor, it's not like we have another box (planet) to go to... so far this is the only one was given to us and what are we doing with it?

That was not the meaning of my analogy

A..

[cloud9]

I'm sorry Anchor I missundertood what you said. Can you explain please?

[Northern Boy]

The vaccine problem:

They are going to try and do this its up to every individual to decide what they are going to do should they try to make this mandatory. No one can decide for you . You must determine to what extreme you are willing to go to prevent your will from being impeded by forced vaccination or detention

Obama's disclosure:


Never going to happen by his hand. Unless he wants to die. More than likely they will just land or sit in the sky above a city for an extended period of time then leave.

Financial meltdown:


This is going to happen for numerous reasons there will be no recovery. The markets have been sucked dry to much has been stuck into derivatives this bomb is going to make the Hindenberg look like a match stick. They want to crash the system and introduce another currency backed by metals and then years or decades later they will remove the backing and return to the fiat currency. Its the only way they can perpetuate the system and stay in control they willing need approval to put it off how many fools are going to say yes ?

2012 and the shift:


What will be will be you are not going to alter the changes try as you may these things will come to be the alignment of the earth with the center of the milky way and its huge magnetic pull is going to cause changes to the earths surface . The only thing I`d recommend is getting inland away from any coast


You need to research fractional banking to get a better understanding of your credit cards . You don`t have to repay them as the credit you received does not exist its money that was never printed and does not exist

[cloud9]

I do believe they are going to try the vaccination thing, what I do not believe it's they are going to pull it of now, next month. I don't see how.
I definitely think disclosure is not going to be a reality because ANY goverment would tell the truth but because we (humanity) will have proof directly from the Ets about their existence by means of them being visible to the naked eye or based on experiences being more common to all of us.

Northern Boy, thank you for your word of advice on the credit card example, I do not have any problem paying my debt so far and I want to because I use their credit and it's very helpful to me. I do disagree with the way they treat their customers and I'm against they raising rates so unfairly, I know about fractional banking and I understand the concept (I read Mrs. Croft work) but not paying the debt would mean to close my credit which I need, so being responsible and not having financial problems yet I'll keep paying, I'm not so brave as to live out of the system yet.

[Northern Boy]

Glad you read her work she is a smart cookie . Cloud9 when the meltdown occurs you can be assured that your cards will be cancelled at the drop of a dime with out your knowledge so use them now to your advantage . Anything you feel is going to help you live as the big ship rush`s to the bottom put on your card if they want to play with you by adjusting your rates why sit around and accept it. Max it out buy food, water and blankets depending on where you live if you have a 45 gallon drum fill it with gas .

[cloud9]

Sorry I forgot to add this: I'm rereading right now Alex Collier's book and it says they were going to change the currency in February 1996 and we should expect an economic collapse in April 1996. What does it mean?
Perhaps it's more complicated than we think to bring the whole world to its knees; I do believe the PTB have a plan and are executing their plan but hasn't worked out so far for some unknown reason, I really don't know.

[Northern Boy]

Its a very complicated plan they have put in thats for sure but many other nations are beginning to back out of the Game . Japan has a new government are tired of bending to Washington`s will Russia too . And China are already biting the hand that feeds them . All three are selling their T-Bills and China has told all companies in China with the exception of 3 to stop buying and or refuse to honor the derivative contracts. The end of Sept is the end of the Fiscal year for America. America needs 100 trillion to make its commitments

Pete Peterson the last whistleblower Bill and Kerry interviewed was told the economy was done in 2001 and here we are 8 years later . Timelines change but this economic one is overdue and all the pieces are now there to bring it to its knees . The important thing is to not let them bring it back up with out our consent. If they do we end up going back to square one and its worse

[Angel in Disguise]

I hear ya Northern Boy... Pretty sure we are heading down the same timeline... Can't wait! Out of chaos comes order, whatever that damn lingo states. This is the chaos we have been living and when we realize it, we will be able to create order. The order of nature the way it was intended to be... The chaos it has been??? Heck... It's just a ride
Burn baby burn ... And bring on the

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by cloud9

I'm sorry Anchor I missundertood what you said. Can you explain please?

Very hard. I think to even try would require talking. The analogy above speaks to a total paradigm shift in conciousness.

In thinking about how I would answer this, I keep thinking you may want to listen to this (free):

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=372&Itemid=70

If you are up for it, there is an excellent piece, here (but it is chargeable).

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...sk=view&id=323

A..

[nagual]

Originally Posted by cloud9

if we don't like our reality we can change it but how?

"...In order to initiate the chain reaction of deliberated co-creation of Your new Reality all you have to do is to raise the vibrational frequency/quality of your single present thought...." (Emmanuel)


full message: http://www.emmanuelmessages.com/

[Hermano]

I think they want everything at the same time, bomb Iran, economic meltdown, vaccination. Last winter they failed in doing so. This winter they will try again.

It only takes 4% of the people to make the difference, be that difference.

They are not in control, they made us believe they are in control. If only a small percentage doesn't cooperate, they are powerless.


Remember the butterfly effect !!!

[Jnana]

The vaccine problem:
I think they are backing off on this one, at least for this year. The rats have been found out and are scurrying for cover. It was primarily a money making venture anyway. I expect more of a soft-sell this year.

Obama's disclosure:
I think the first "official" contact will come another way and the US will have to play catch-up.

Financial meltdown:
There are still threats out there like the derivatives mess. All of the first world countries are scrambling to sort things out, but they could fail.

2012 and the shift:
This is only a problem if you are attached to the way things are now. If not, it will feel like a release from prison. Don't get hung up on the exact date or year - it's a process.

[cloud9]

Hermano, I have some questions for you: How can we make this small percentage to not participate? And, not participate in what? Are you thinking about the vaccines or everything in general? Because so far, all of us are participating very quietly and with our heads down.
Unfortunately, one person doesn't make the 4%, if one person could do it I would have done it already. Where this 4% comes from?

[Northern Boy]

C9 as with every thing there is a threshold limit. Once the limit is reached then anything becomes possible . If you have Listened to any of the Webbot forecasts then you see that Cliff High thru the language his computer program picks up can in fact some what pick out probabilities not predictions . He describe`s the people refusing the vaccine as refuseniks the current threshold of 3 to 4 % has been passed and he currently puts it at 5 to 6 % of the population.

Right now the American Government are worried about this group and are gauging the refusenik response to it. They are in the process of sending out survey`s on this very subject to get an idea of how large the refusenik group is going to be so they can alter plans to suit. They are going to do 1 of 2 things the first being back down from mandatory vaccinations or they plan on coming down extremely hard on the first set of refuseniks to try and get the rest to toe the line or face a similar fate

If u watched the Awake and Aware conference in LA and saw Alex Collier`s presentation he pretty much points out that now is the time to decide what type of country you want to live in and it is now that we make the decision of if we are going to continue to be slaves or take our power that we have been giving others for decades back and take responsibility for our actions and how we treat others. As long as we allow others to make that decision for us we will be stuck in slavery forever.

[cloud9]

Thank you NB for your comments and yes, I had the chance to listen to Alex Collier, I couldn't agree more with what he says. I have the feeling that everybody is choosing the country they want to live in by doing nothing.... that's my point!
This is what you say: "As long as we allow others to make that decision for us we will be stuck in slavery forever" and it is exactly what we are doing and have being doing for decades.
I really wish american people wouldn't be so passive and apathetic.

[Northern Boy]

It comes down to individual choice you with your free will you can`t decide for any one else only your self. They want to force you to put something in your body just because they say so. No matter how I look at it they don`t own that right you do . So when the time comes you make the choice to do what you feel is right. If you like your life and the way things have been you comply if not you don`t. Those that chose door #2 now get other options . They have created laws and statutes to incarcerate those that refuse with threat of taking belongings and possessions . BUT THEY ARE ONLY ENFORCEABLE ON PERSONS ARE YOU A PERSON? OR DO YOU HAVE A PERSON?

[Fredkc]

Jnana;
Obama's disclosure:
I think the first "official" contact will come another way and the US will have to play catch-up.

That's Amurika yer talkin' bout pilgrim. Round here we only play Ketchup!

[cloud9]

Thank you again NB, I do understand your point and trust me, I'm not angry or resent the fact that people who know what's going on decided to wait untill the time comes, perhaps it's a good thing, I just hope it will not be too late.