A light bulb moment

Brinty · 06-09-2009, 11:14 PM

I had a flash of inspiration overnight that simplifies the concept of our perspective of time, and the perspective for an entity in another dimension. At least it works for me.

Imagine, in our dimension, a visual concept of time as a spiral like a coil spring. As we perceive moving through time, we travel around the spiral. Now, imagine that spiral being inside a cylinder or tube. Entities from another dimension would perceive time as instantaneous if the tube was their environment because they would not be limited to traveling around the coils as they could instantly visit any coil of the spiral.

In our dimension we are locked into cycles. The daily cycle of day and night, the annual cycle of the seasons, are two that are obvious to us all. Light waves and sound waves are depicted as a sine wave with peaks and troughs but in fact are following a spiral path.

Time could have the same properties - a spiral motion that if viewed from the side would have an apparent up and down motion as well as a towards and away from the viewer motion.

My head is starting to ache now so I’d better have a cuppa

then get back to laying those damn tiles.

Debi5 · 06-09-2009, 11:16 PM

Great Analogy Brinty.

TraineeHuman · 06-10-2009, 06:22 AM

That's a brilliant intuition, Brinty. I guess you're not aware that you've just described the basic model of the universe that physicists and cosmologists (Hawking, etc) use. But you've done it so simply.

One point I might offer to add is that a being with knowledge of "all times" still has to contend with the fact that the future (and even the past!) keeps changing. This is because the truth is, the only time that really exists is the eternal now. Past and future are essentially concepts also within the eternal now. So a being seeing "all times" is really just simultaneously seeing all the probable futures and possible pasts. However, these keep being changed forever because of new choices continually being made in the present. So we're not really living as nothing but specks in an infinite sea. Rather, we've placed ourselves at the cutting edge of where all the action is. (To really go beyond time, one has to go beyond choice. But I won't try to elaborate on that one now.)

I first heard of the "cone of spirals" model of the universe nearly 30 years ago. This was from a physicist named Nigel Platt. Nigel was an FRS (Fellow of the Royal Society) and a recognised Sufi master too. Nigel tried to explain to me that this model is (apparently) the key to space travel to other galaxies or times. He said this is so because instead of taking time as a basic concept, you take the concept of angular momentum (of an electron or photon etc) as basic. You can then derive "time" as a by-product of an electron's angular momentum. This makes it possible to travel through virtually no time and go anywhere or anywhen you like, apparently. (Don't ask me -- ask Nigel.) I guess the ancient Greeks believed that electrons and atoms were gods, no less. So it's quite plausible to me that they keep "creating" time itself. I've had "remote viewing" type experiences where I've been in that microscopic world. And it seemed obvious to me there that some of those microscopic particles, etc were probably at least as intelligent as us.

I also came across the same model of the universe through Barry Long, who independently came up with it too. Barry was a spiritual teacher from Australia, and for some time England, who dies in 2003. Eckhart Tolle was a student of Barry's . If you go to www.barrylongfwwoundation.org, you can work out for yourself to what extent Tolle's teachings may be essentially the same as or similar to Barry's --- minus all the tantric ideas Barry was very fond of. If anyone's interested, I have a blogsite at http://www.tollemadepractical.com

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 06:47 AM

I suspect I was an innocent bystander TraineeHuman who just happened to be open to information 'falling out of the sky' so to speak. I woke up this morning with the picture of a spiral inside a tube and just 'knew' that it represented time as seen from two different dimensions.

I don't know whether you've read any of the books by Bruce Cathie but he has expounded on time as we conceive it and how he conceives it. I've only read one of his books and that was many years ago - Harmonic 33. Since then he has gone on to write another half dozen all relating to time, UFOs, gravity and much more.

Check out . . .

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...sts=t&x=61&y=7

rhythm · 06-10-2009, 08:04 AM

you never cease to amaze me

mr. all round human being.

good stuff here

for sure ..

respect ..
rhythmmm..

Humble Janitor · 06-10-2009, 08:09 AM

Isn't it always cool that when we're doing mundane tasks, we're able to perceive things that should be beyond us?

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythm

mr. all round human being.

rhythmmm..

I'll have you know I'm not as round as I was - I've lost over 9kg in the last 18 weeks.

iainl140285 · 06-10-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinty

I had a flash of inspiration overnight that simplifies the concept of our perspective of time, and the perspective for an entity in another dimension. At least it works for me.

Imagine, in our dimension, a visual concept of time as a spiral like a coil spring. As we perceive moving through time, we travel around the spiral. Now, imagine that spiral being inside a cylinder or tube. Entities from another dimension would perceive time as instantaneous if the tube was their environment because they would not be limited to traveling around the coils as they could instantly visit any coil of the spiral.

In our dimension we are locked into cycles. The daily cycle of day and night, the annual cycle of the seasons, are two that are obvious to us all. Light waves and sound waves are depicted as a sine wave with peaks and troughs but in fact are following a spiral path.

Time could have the same properties - a spiral motion that if viewed from the side would have an apparent up and down motion as well as a towards and away from the viewer motion.

My head is starting to ache now so I’d better have a cuppa

then get back to laying those damn tiles.

Great stuff Britny

You've just givin me a flash back to a picture I seen months and months ago. It was that Stan Romanek story on Rense:

Notice the tube shape with the spiral in it?

http://www.rense.com/general46/stan1.html

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 10:46 AM

I had a look at the site you posted iainl and I must confess that I got lost with the attempts to work the puzzle out. But as you say, the spiral in the curved paths looks rather like the mental image I had.

I'd like to know what it represents in the drawing. Be it a wormhole or a representation of time being manipulated by bending space. I think I'll leave it to brains better able to come to grips with it than mine.

iainl140285 · 06-10-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinty

I had a look at the site you posted iainl and I must confess that I got lost with the attempts to work the puzzle out. But as you say, the spiral in the curved paths looks rather like the mental image I had.

I'd like to know what it represents in the drawing. Be it a wormhole or a representation of time being manipulated by bending space. I think I'll leave it to brains better able to come to grips with it than mine.

I have no idea what all the formulas mean either

BUT - can I ask, prior to this visual concept of time entering into your mind, had you been thinking of time?

Maybe thinking of a faster way to get them tiles down!

rhythm · 06-10-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinty

I'll have you know I'm not as round as I was - I've lost over 9kg in the last 18 weeks.

WHERE DOES THE FAT GO WHEN WE LOSE IT

Carmen · 06-10-2009, 02:56 PM

Ah Geez rhythm, its often just away for a holiday and comes back with a really inflated view of itself!!!

rhythm · 06-10-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmen

Ah Geez rhythm, its often just away for a holiday and comes back with a really inflated view of itself!!!

AR !! gee wizz cam you realy been doin your homework girl ...

rhythm · 06-10-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinty

I had a look at the site you posted iainl and I must confess that I got lost with the attempts to work the puzzle out. But as you say, the spiral in the curved paths looks rather like the mental image I had.

I'd like to know what it represents in the drawing. Be it a wormhole or a representation of time being manipulated by bending space. I think I'll leave it to brains better able to come to grips with it than mine.

go on brinty give it a go were all here cherrin you on mate

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iainl140285

I have no idea what all the formulas mean either

BUT - can I ask, prior to this visual concept of time entering into your mind, had you been thinking of time?

Maybe thinking of a faster way to get them tiles down!

Since reading a couple of books on quantum mechanics written in an easy to absorb manner, I have tried to visualize how time could be non-linear when perceived by some other entities.

NOW, although the books were easy to absorb, that's a different thing from being easy to understand. All that I retained from them was that in the eyes and mind of a quantum physicist, what we perceive as reality, isn't so. And on top of that, apparently anything is possible.

If somebody built the pyramids, why can't they come back and lay my bloody tiles?

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythm

WHERE DOES THE FAT GO WHEN WE LOSE IT

I think it goes here

Brinty · 06-10-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmen

Ah Geez rhythm, its often just away for a holiday and comes back with a really inflated view of itself!!!

Yep, been there, done that.

A bit like giving up smoking - it's dead easy, I've done it dozens of times.

rhythm · 06-11-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinty

Since reading a couple of books on quantum mechanics written in an easy to absorb manner, I have tried to visualize how time could be non-linear when perceived by some other entities.

NOW, although the books were easy to absorb, that's a different thing from being easy to understand. All that I retained from them was that in the eyes and mind of a quantum physicist, what we perceive as reality, isn't so. And on top of that, apparently anything is possible.

If somebody built the pyramids, why can't they come back and lay my bloody tiles?

hey brinty
try laying them tiles
in a nice neat spiral
pattern......
go on you can do it....
yes enything is possible

06-09-2009, 11:14 PM	#1
Brinty Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Blackbutt, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,004	A light bulb moment I had a flash of inspiration overnight that simplifies the concept of our perspective of time, and the perspective for an entity in another dimension. At least it works for me. Imagine, in our dimension, a visual concept of time as a spiral like a coil spring. As we perceive moving through time, we travel around the spiral. Now, imagine that spiral being inside a cylinder or tube. Entities from another dimension would perceive time as instantaneous if the tube was their environment because they would not be limited to traveling around the coils as they could instantly visit any coil of the spiral. In our dimension we are locked into cycles. The daily cycle of day and night, the annual cycle of the seasons, are two that are obvious to us all. Light waves and sound waves are depicted as a sine wave with peaks and troughs but in fact are following a spiral path. Time could have the same properties - a spiral motion that if viewed from the side would have an apparent up and down motion as well as a towards and away from the viewer motion. My head is starting to ache now so I’d better have a cuppa then get back to laying those damn tiles.

06-09-2009, 11:16 PM	#2
Debi5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 57	Re: A light bulb moment Great Analogy Brinty.

06-10-2009, 06:22 AM	#3
TraineeHuman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	Re: A light bulb moment That's a brilliant intuition, Brinty. I guess you're not aware that you've just described the basic model of the universe that physicists and cosmologists (Hawking, etc) use. But you've done it so simply. One point I might offer to add is that a being with knowledge of "all times" still has to contend with the fact that the future (and even the past!) keeps changing. This is because the truth is, the only time that really exists is the eternal now. Past and future are essentially concepts also within the eternal now. So a being seeing "all times" is really just simultaneously seeing all the probable futures and possible pasts. However, these keep being changed forever because of new choices continually being made in the present. So we're not really living as nothing but specks in an infinite sea. Rather, we've placed ourselves at the cutting edge of where all the action is. (To really go beyond time, one has to go beyond choice. But I won't try to elaborate on that one now.) I first heard of the "cone of spirals" model of the universe nearly 30 years ago. This was from a physicist named Nigel Platt. Nigel was an FRS (Fellow of the Royal Society) and a recognised Sufi master too. Nigel tried to explain to me that this model is (apparently) the key to space travel to other galaxies or times. He said this is so because instead of taking time as a basic concept, you take the concept of angular momentum (of an electron or photon etc) as basic. You can then derive "time" as a by-product of an electron's angular momentum. This makes it possible to travel through virtually no time and go anywhere or anywhen you like, apparently. (Don't ask me -- ask Nigel.) I guess the ancient Greeks believed that electrons and atoms were gods, no less. So it's quite plausible to me that they keep "creating" time itself. I've had "remote viewing" type experiences where I've been in that microscopic world. And it seemed obvious to me there that some of those microscopic particles, etc were probably at least as intelligent as us. I also came across the same model of the universe through Barry Long, who independently came up with it too. Barry was a spiritual teacher from Australia, and for some time England, who dies in 2003. Eckhart Tolle was a student of Barry's . If you go to www.barrylongfwwoundation.org, you can work out for yourself to what extent Tolle's teachings may be essentially the same as or similar to Barry's --- minus all the tantric ideas Barry was very fond of. If anyone's interested, I have a blogsite at http://www.tollemadepractical.com

06-10-2009, 06:47 AM	#4
Brinty Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Blackbutt, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,004	Re: A light bulb moment I suspect I was an innocent bystander TraineeHuman who just happened to be open to information 'falling out of the sky' so to speak. I woke up this morning with the picture of a spiral inside a tube and just 'knew' that it represented time as seen from two different dimensions. I don't know whether you've read any of the books by Bruce Cathie but he has expounded on time as we conceive it and how he conceives it. I've only read one of his books and that was many years ago - Harmonic 33. Since then he has gone on to write another half dozen all relating to time, UFOs, gravity and much more. Check out . . . http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...sts=t&x=61&y=7

06-10-2009, 08:04 AM	#5
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: A light bulb moment you never cease to amaze me mr. all round human being. good stuff here for sure .. respect .. rhythmmm..

06-10-2009, 08:09 AM	#6
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: A light bulb moment Isn't it always cool that when we're doing mundane tasks, we're able to perceive things that should be beyond us?

06-10-2009, 10:46 AM	#9
Brinty Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Blackbutt, Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,004	Re: A light bulb moment I had a look at the site you posted iainl and I must confess that I got lost with the attempts to work the puzzle out. But as you say, the spiral in the curved paths looks rather like the mental image I had. I'd like to know what it represents in the drawing. Be it a wormhole or a representation of time being manipulated by bending space. I think I'll leave it to brains better able to come to grips with it than mine.

06-10-2009, 02:56 PM	#12
Carmen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 992	Re: A light bulb moment Ah Geez rhythm, its often just away for a holiday and comes back with a really inflated view of itself!!!