The Heather Material

[Linda]

Originally Posted by Hiram

But as I've stated before on this forum...there is such a thing as being a free an open forum of ideas....and on the other hand allowing people to willfully stray into self-indulgence (by allowing them to drone on an on before a captive audience) and actively mis-leading people.

Should one who is presenting a story, have to provide some very basic substantiating data? If the party can't provide ANY info, then shouldn't the next step be for Bill/Kerry to look at the info an ask themselves if it adds/contributes value to their mission?

Did you not read his emails?

To me it sounds like he is TRYING to provide data.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...t=19907&page=7

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I had already stated to Kerry in a audio interview that you did not know about the fact she was living with us, or that she was extremely scared, as my wife said you need more than facts I already gave to you, now if you did not hear the interview that's fine, but still no excuse for dragging my name through the mud.

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I have
told Kerry I will give you what ever you ask for but not on the internet, I will come to CA and hand it to Kerry if needs be I have her phone numbers, BUT I WILL PROTECT MY FAMILY, you being upset about this won't change my mind and it does not excuse what you have done from the evidence I now have it appears intentionally now if you want to talk skype me, ----- just skype me and talk to me thats all I ask, I am a fighter by trade so if you thought this was going to be easy.. sorry I don't walk away from people and I am not intimidated by you, but if you can call me a liar you had better be able to do it to me because email wont cut it

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but please sykpe me, you owe me that much respect at least whilst people are talking about me, in fact if you wish to give me a time I will make sure I am available to talk to you, I am not a monster or will shout and ball and scream at you, I was angry, now I am just mildley annoyed at this because so much of MY TIME has been clearly wasted on making what I thought were freinds and trying to help a person, you forget that I clearly state ON THE INTERVIEW that the heather material was hers and up to you guys, I only wanted to get my story out, oh yes her story was so unbelievable give me a
break, and my experience yes that is unbelievable I do give you that one, but to say that is to call many others liars too a good percentage of your ground crew at that point, if I were a dis-info guy I would have tuck tail and run by now but I am not I me and rather than censoring me, you should let me have my say.

tell me I am wrong? because you refuse to address my issues rationally or debate them at all, that only tells me that you have nothing to go on but a information I had already made you privy to, which was Heather was with us as stated when those emails were sent, the first few I wrote for her because she was ****ED UP excuse my french, I do or did not EVER deny that, so talk to me on skype and present me with something REAL or reactivate my account and stop slandering my name
All the Best Kinsuemei2

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this is an outrage Bill you have posted comments about me that are untrue and you have disgraced my name, of course the emails were sent from my place again
Dr Anderson was with us, my family we set her up in a motel room, she even used our lap top, I took the names KilaSolai and Kane944 TODAY mind you to try to
reenter Camelot, now I can do this with my new name through a proxy mask, or you can reactivate Kinsuemei2 the choice is yours but make no mistake, I won't be talked about like a dog or have you refuse to answer my emails when you are clearly online here.

Now you missed the part when I told Kerry Cassidey about Dr Anderson staying with us and conveniently left it out of the blog you posted on Avalon... yes of course I read it, I am not stupid, I can mask and change my IP so you clearly must think me a fool... I did not mask my emails because they were sent from my rig of course as I did state in testimony to Kerry, now your assumptions are outrageous and I need more proof, in fact I would very much like to talk to you on skype and you can hear the pain in my wife's voice

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I have no problem with Camelot and shall never tarnish that name, I was upset earlier but you don't know or understand me Mr Ryan, I have a daughter she is
6, I refuse to send anymore of Anderson's info on line, I told Kerry this, and whilst nobody has even bothered to check the location in Orlando, then you have no call on this matter.

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I sincerely wish you the best and to the moderators who were only doing their jobs.
Kinsuemei2
P.S. I shall continue to promote and observe PC in a positive light, because one man makes a mistake that is not reason to protest the good work they have done, and I believe Duncans story and have no ill will towards him, but it's a free world and he can choose to believe what he wishes.

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as I told Kerry in an audio interveiw, Heather was living with us, we put her up so of course she used my computer, and yeah I dictated a few emails once again I stated this in my intaial contact with Kerry that she would not come near the computer so this is a problem right now.

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this sucks as Heathers info again as I stated I gave the meat of it to kerry and if they wanted it great if not who cared my objective was my experience and that was all. and I told kerry this but my interveiw was not released. now I am being censored, bill wont talk to me and I have to use proxys to look at info thats being posted about me, I kind of think the post should be stopped as it is getting into the realms of legality here, tell me if I am wrong?

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I have also made the choice to continue to put out Anderson's work to great risk at this point, now if indeed Bill did do this to actually protect us, that also crossed my mind, as the best way to stop hard info from becoming a danger is to dam it. hence 17 years of David Ickes survival in a nutshell.

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I promised some people in avalon that I will bring the information that I have to light, I have never hidden anything from Bill or Kerry, however I have never spoken to Bill in a one on one capacity, where as I have done so with Kerry many times and as I stated I have the logs to prove that.

No she was not with us when this happened, she had left not that long after, but she did still have a room account with the motel, my manager has said that he will sign an affidavit to this if needs be as the room was in her name, her real name, on record, the card on file was mine so that I paid but it does show that she was a guest, and I have that right now in black and white.

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I mean it's very easy for Bill to drop this and take responsibility, but I have to deal with the fall out of this as now if anything happens to my wife or kids or myself we really have no where to turn to for advice or anything, but as I said in my You-tube vid thank god for some good people.

My main concern is my family as I have stated but , I will get this info out and I shall make sure that you do get to look at it, weather PC will be involved and I highly doubt they will, I shall still give you a look at what we have, but we are working on the distribution of this material.

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We all need to keep an open mind and do some research on THE SUBJECT MATTER because it is VERY important.
Just my 2 cents

[Anchor]

Linda,

thanks for doing this work

A..

[Hiram]

Thanks for the helpful conversation everyone as we flesh this out.

Anchor: You stated above "Again in my opinion - the moderators are not here to judge truth from falsehood (except for the benefit of our personal reading) - in that regard I maintain we are no different from the non-moderators."

I could not agree with you more. Indeed, your role here as a moderator is not to judge truth from falsehood, and thats the philosophical point I was making above. Yet, the subtle caveat to that point is that even though we all set out with the best of intentions, personal preference sets in...inevitably. I think that we have some very sensitive and perceptive souls on here and they are picking up on this preference.

None of us like being biased or judgmental (well some do but we strive to be as unbiased as our biased minds allow.

I think we need to move away from this idea judging new information and approach it more from an evaluative stance. You evaluate it against everything that you know and understand, and decide whether it is right for you. Some may call it a semantic difference but I am certain there is a distinct difference between Judging and Evaluating.

I was also campaigning for the right of Bill and Kerry to to evaluate information as well. I don't always agree with them, but I see which direction the ship is going and I wish to be on board. That is all I have ever wanted from life. To sail inexorably towards that star of truth, wherever it may lie.



I'm sorry for what happened with the Heather material...but we did in fact get to read it. So thats a plus. I think these things tend to work themselves out.

[Hiram]

Originally Posted by Linda

Did you not read his emails?

"To me it sounds like he is TRYING to provide data."

Thanks Linda.

This is very enlightening and I appreciate it. I had not read these. He sounds frustrated, but it makes me wonder what he could have done to get himself banned in the first place?

As you can see, no one really stops anyone from posting as long as they do it in a friendly and respectful manner.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Hiram

Thanks Linda.

This is very enlightening and I appreciate it. I had not read these. He sounds frustrated, but it makes me wonder what he could have done to get himself banned in the first place?

As you can see, no one really stops anyone from posting as long as they do it in a friendly and respectful manner.

Bill Ryan, knowing that they have hoaxers coming at them from every direction, thought Heather JJ Anderson was made up by Kinsuemei2. The reported "death" of Heather (Heather now seems to exist and is not dead, she just tried to disappear herself) after several persons had tried to meet with her but were refused, the emails coming from the same IP, the writings of Kinsu and Heather looking similar and having similar writing style and spelling mistakes, lead Bill to conclude he was dealing with a hoaxer. Anyone hoaxing another person is automatically banned as stated in the forum guidelines.

Bill now admits that this was an erroneous conclusion. Kinsuemei2 is not a hoaxer and Bill should not have named him publicly. The life of Bill and Kerry is far from simple and is filled with complexity, agreements, disagreements, supporters, detractors, hoaxers, truthers and sometimes mistakes. Some of the threads crisscross to weave a picture that falls apart if you find one thread was misplaced. Something bigger goes on here than just the story allegedly told by Heather to Kinsuemei2, and passed on to Bill and Kerry.

[Linda]

Originally Posted by Karen

Some of the threads crisscross to weave a picture that falls apart if you find one thread was misplaced.

Something bigger goes on here than just the story allegedly told by Heather to Kinsuemei2, and passed on to Bill and Kerry.

Hopefully Bill and Kerry will think of us and do the right thing.

We are all in this together and must know the ugly truth before it's too late.

I commend Kinsuemei2 for stepping up to the plate to warn us. He is a hero in my book and I hope that he and his family are safe.
You could only imagine what Heather and him must be going through right this second.
They both need our prayers during these revealing times.

[Christo888]

I can see why Kerry wanted to introduce the story.

Whether the material is a hoax or not I don't know but there is some extremely powerful material embedded within the story that adds credence to the unseen forces of nature at work.

Obviously the military is experimenting with subjects to try to reproduce and enhance these forces of nature within a human body. The failure of the military is that they are trying to force the enhancements of nature into a body that emotionally cannot understand how these forces work and hence total confusion will drive the psyche mad in many ways. Like giving a cup of coffee to a three year old or similar still give them a bottle of pop and watch them go nuts. The secrets of the Universe have built in protection mechanisms so that these forces of nature cannot be used in this way.

Without Truth, knowledge, and understanding partaken through actual life/soul experience by the individual they will basically 'blow' themselves up so-to-speak, as they cannot manage the enhancements or supernatural powers.

The protection mechanism that is built into the labyrinth of Universal power is like a combination lock and must be earned through experience of life to bring understanding in order to unlock those Universal power mechanisms. So when the military forces these mechanisms of enhanced Universal power in individuals it will always backfire, a meltdown every time. Maybe short term gain or results but long term disintegration.

There is only one way to properly unlock the combination of Universal power (this also drove Hitler mad trying to seize it) and that is contained in one of the Egyptian stories, for Universal power can never be stolen and when tried the 'Curse of the Pharaohs' kicks in. And that will forever be the failure of the military's experiments at the cost of many lives in the meantime.

The greed for power of having these enhancements is self destructive... that's why only the meek can inherit it, and that may not mean what many think it means.

[Seafury]

Originally Posted by Hiram

IMO as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with being discerning about what you present. I think the "risk" of losing a really good whistleblower is minimal...basically because the really good ones will have some substantiating info. They will. Plain and simple.

This pretty much sums up the entire issue. I don't need to sift through endless piles of nonsense information with absolutely no backing evidence whatsoever on the pretense of getting a handle on the "big picture" so that I can "discern for myself" as more of the puzzle reveals itself in the form of more endless reams of nonsense information. I'll only be alive for an average of 70 years on this planet.

The scientific method has merit. We're not discounting information out of hand here. We only want the bare minimum of rational thought to enter in when viewing new material. I've seen people showing emails of all kinds in this thread now, telling all kinds of backstory about this case, but guess what, you don't get that by reading the single pdf that's posted on the PC homepage. You get one short PDF with no idea who this person is and extremely important questions/comments posted by Bill that without any kind of answer make the material look completely ridiculous.

Perhaps if information like this is going to be posted on the front page of a website that gets millions of visitors Kerry should think about giving a better overview of whats going on, rather than shouting down Bill and making herself look like a fool to the average visitor.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seafury

I don't need to sift through endless piles of nonsense information with absolutely no backing evidence whatsoever on the pretense of getting a handle on the "big picture"

There is one way, more or less, a person can discern hoax material from something true.

The truth is often boring, by nature, and the majority of people are putting a big spin on truth, whether it be MSM, disclosure, camelot, etc.

Truth is, people don't wanna be told the truth, they want to be told endless stories with endless plot twists all to make it fictionally interesting and more appealing. Only problem is, the minute you put spin in the equation, it is no longer truth.

Personally, judging from the PDF and with all common sense, the document is poorly written, the source is far less than trustworthy, the existence of "heather" is more than doubtful, and the material doesn't even qualify as good fiction, its that bad. On top of all that, the guy who claims wanting to protect his family more than anything has went out of his way to do just the opposite and attract as much attention.

[lightblue]

dear linda

Hopefully Bill and Kerry will think of us and do the right thing.

We are all in this together and must know the ugly truth before it's too late.

I commend Kinsuemei2 for stepping up to the plate to warn us. He is a hero in my book and I hope that he and his family are safe.
You could only imagine what Heather and him must be going through right this second.
They both need our prayers during these revealing times.

-what's your idea of the "right thing" - what do you think should happen?
-who do you think is "US"? it certainly does not include myself for one..
-in supposing that heather material is true and genuine - how does this knowledge enhance your sense of empowerment? in what ways does it help you? what action would you take personally? being merely alerted and/or fearful does not help very much.
- if this material turns out to be hoaxed - would that fact erode your self-empowerment?

best wishes l

[K626]

It's difficult to comment on that pdf without more detail.

[SteveX]

Quite right Majorion. The more I've read of this fantastic tail (cyborg soldiers. 600 + kidnapped young men, bullet proof pyro guys, 911 connection, reptilians and super soldiers) the more I shake my head at myself for even bothering.

I was fair minded enough to re-read the blank PDF. I still think there's 2 authors involved. There seems to me to be 2 levels of grammar and punctuation.... but no longer think it's 2 stories spliced into one.

As we all know the level of literacy is sub par and not just for a MD/scientist. As a dyslexic (yes folks, I'm dyslexic and I use big words when not rambling on) I recognise certain grammatical spelling errors associated with using Word spell checker. I use it on nearly ever post. That PDF shows all the hallmarks. Spell checker won't flag the difference of shortened words i.e. defence & defences. There are quite a few short words here. OK no big deal because its only spelling / grammatical error. Then there are spelling mistakes, which you'll see if you transfer it to a Word. I don't, as a dyslexic, often pick up on spelling mistakes by others.

This literacy thing gave me some questions that needed answering. So I looked at the quoted e-mails above and a post by Kinsue (below). His level of grammar looks better than the PDF.

Can't be bothered to see if Kinsue uses the same phrases or words as the PDF. He just writes better in my opinion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17244

Then we have this whole Shunger quote in the PDF, which I find very damming (spelling?) and I quote

"Project Ember
The following is straight from the log of Shunger"

What the heck is it with the powers that be? Do they only recruit scientist with basic level of written English. All those quotes from a supposedly different guy are just as bad as the PDF.

As a side bar. Another quote "once at my destination I shall send these CDS to you, we have made copies and Ben is going to send his CDs on Friday so that if mine do not make it his surely will." I would be fascinated if this did indeed happen. If so, which ones turned up and what where the post marks? Please don’t tell me only 1 turned up from Kinsue.

Also, the only safe computer is one not plugged into the Internet. So blasting e-mails around is really asking for it if there was an ounce of truth to any of it.

EDIT PS this'll be funny as hell if its a set up by disobedient hounds.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by SteveX

Quite right Majorion. The more I've read of this fantastic tail (cyborg soldiers. 600 + kidnapped young men, bullet proof pyro guys, 911 connection, reptilians and super soldiers) the more I shake my head at myself for even bothering.

Thing is, I honestly feel sorry for the guy or whoever wrote this material. I sympathize with people who wanna get stories out, for years I've defended people like that and stuck my neck out countless times. But when fraudulent information comes out like this it does a great deal of damage to possibly real and/or similar information.

For example, super soldiers, and cyborgs and DNA experimenting and all that stuff, there's most likely a basis of truth for all of that, not many of us will deny that 'basic truth', but how on earth do we find extensive, accurate, and credible information on the matters when hoaxes are as common.

Bill Ryan's notes in the PDF were extremely intelligent BTW, especially the part where he exposes a portion copied directly from a military website. As I understood it, clearly a copy/paste job.

Without names, without certification, without any evidence, how can anyone take this poorly written information seriously.

Great job Bill Ryan.

[Seafury]

It's actually amazing that there was 4 pages worth of conversation to have about this material at all.

[SteveX]

and I forgot to mentions the portal / stargate thingy.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by Majorion

There is one way, more or less, a person can discern hoax material from something true.

The truth is often boring, by nature, and the majority of people are putting a big spin on truth, whether it be MSM, disclosure, camelot, etc.

Truth is, people don't wanna be told the truth, they want to be told endless stories with endless plot twists all to make it fictionally interesting and more appealing. Only problem is, the minute you put spin in the equation, it is no longer truth.
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I couldn't agree with you more Majorion. I use the Kulapops acid test.

Known fact (the hook) + improbable fact (to fire the imagination or fear) = A Likely Story.

[K626]

I wouldn't write that whole plf off btw.

The whold telomere thing was put into black about 15 years ago, along with water based photo transparency of dna replicators. Two things needed if you're going to go ahead with some kind of subject/client mutation with regard enhanced ability.

[AscendingStarseed]

[QUOTE=redtailhawk;239405.}

I grind mine from whole grain and make sure it is organic. There is no way that it could be cut with biological material...what a crock![/QUOTE]

Now don't get your knickers in a twist...the article I mentioned wasn't talking about organic flax seed, it warned to stay away from non-organic flax seed. I'm very much into herbal and natural supplements, so when I read this last year it got my attention. It was also one of the first times I had heard of synthetic humans and had forgotten about it until I read the Heather material.

It's hard to know what to believe anymore, all you can do is flag this stuff in our memory so when more intel comes in you can begin to connect the dots. Sounds to me as if there is some truth to:

1. Synthetic, or cloned humans...whatever they are.
2. Apparently there "may" be some truth to the fact that flax seeds are a by product of this technology. That's all I meant to say...which is enough for me to stay away from non organic flax seeds.

[CC4]

This Heather material was released because she died in a car accident while she was on the run, what does that tell you?
This forum is to promote ones ability to think for oneself. Just because Bill is is doubtful of this material does not mean one can make a snap judgement about it and just disregard it in total. This summer it looks like things are going to blow wide open and who's on first and who's on second is going to become very unclear. Making snap judgements ie, well these aliens must be all bad or they are here to save us is going to become very costly for some. Think it through and I would say that the government has some very dark secrets to hide and when they come out I hope people on this forum are not going to go into automatic denial because that would be a sad thing.
Critical thinking now is going to be very very important.
God bless and may the force be with you.

[eleni]

Originally Posted by CC4

This Heather material was released because she died in a car accident while she was on the run, what does that tell you?
This forum is to promote ones ability to think for oneself. Just because Bill is is doubtful of this material does not mean one can make a snap judgement about it and just disregard it in total. This summer it looks like things are going to blow wide open and who's on first and who's on second is going to become very unclear. Making snap judgements ie, well these aliens must be all bad or they are here to save us is going to become very costly for some. Think it through and I would say that the government has some very dark secrets to hide and when they come out I hope people on this forum are not going to go into automatic denial because that would be a sad thing.
Critical thinking now is going to be very very important.
God bless and may the force be with you.

Heather is not *dead*.......I got a PM from her the other day.

[zurx]

I just want to say, I think that when it comes to material such as this, it should not be released until some kind of corroboration comes out. The Connor O'Ryan story of Wendelle Stevens fame comes to mind. He sat on that story for TEN YEARS before releasing ANYTHING. With the nature of this material (looks like a 5th grader's attempt at story writing to me), in order to be taken seriously, some kind of proof needs to come out as well. Otherwise, it won't be taken seriously and will only cause problems.

[Truthseeker512]

Zurx, I agree. I love the stuff PC puts out but this and the Aaron McCollum interview just dont sit well with me. Also, with the lastest Burisch nonsense I cant help but feel a little worried about the integrity of PC. Maybe its just a blip we are going through.

[Céline]

Proving Truth today...is nearly impossible..

Expectations should not overwhelm reality

[lightblue]

Heather is not *dead*.......I got a PM from her the other day.

has she come back from the dead or has she never died? we won't know till the next episode..

[Lionhawk]

Greetings everyone. If I may address this audience at this time, as what I have seen here just more or less blows me away. On so many levels. And although I had high hopes that this PC/PA group would have embraced one of it's own members here, instead I find what I would term a crucifixion. I wish I could find other words to put it.

For one thing, what you are seeing is basically material that is well passed it's due date. Meaning this material was put together last year. Some of us have seen this material last year. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I guess my oath to secrecy on this material is no longer valid.

If someone claims sole responsibility and then places that responsibility onto others as a conditional thingy, to investigate it all out as to validate the material, I have to question that action as a reaction to something else. What I am about to say concerns a fairness issue. Here you go dropping the main gate on the forum and the next thing you know, all kinds of negative things start coming through. Who catches all the grief? So here are the Mods loaded up the ying yang with those issues and now you are going to dump this case on them on top of that? No wonder they have "thread closing syndrome". Mind you I am not blowing smoke here in the Mods direction. These people work for free as it is and spend so much time weeding all the crap that gets posted by whoever. I don't know how any of you choose to do that. What or how that rocks your boat will be an unanswered question in my lifetime. And Karen spends 18 hours a day? So why is that? I think a panel of other volunteers could have been put together to vet this material out instead of stacking it on a group of Mods that moderate a forum with their hands up in the air as it is. Now it looks like they are a panel of investigating judges.

Mr. Ryan............ I have always had a great concern for you and Kerry's welfare. Also Miriam's safety. I know how dangerous this whole field is. I also have the same concerns for Ben. Unlike you guys here on the top of this ORG, I have been up several nights, all night, because this man had to take his family out of where he was staying at in a split second to safety. On a couple of those occasions, Ben also got his neighbor (Heather out of there as well) I was here, 2 hours from Ben's location, ready to go at a moment's notice just in the case that he needed help. And if I was still set up like I was a year ago, I would have gladly put her up. Now since those nights have passed us by, I have since found a safe house so that if this was to occur again, I would be able to assist in these kinds of activities. Ben knew I was not able to at the time because all this was discussed. Before anyone here knew anything. The only reason why anyone here thinks they know something is because it is way passed the due date. Ben would not expose any of this during the times when this was occurring because to have exposed his efforts could have compromised the safety and well being of those around him at the time. Like his wife and kids for instance. And do you even know why any of us here would sacrifice our time, our resources, helping a brother or a sister here under this Avalon/Camelot umbrella in the first place, including the Mods? It is because we support the light you and Kerry and are attempting to shine for a better Planet. You represent a beacon of light and like moths we have come forth to the flame. Now Ben here is one of the moths and what do I find? A typical witch hunt based on an IP address excuse. Even I know as a rookie webmaster that an IP can come in different forms. Plus there are IT people even here who know these things, that could have told you that. So to me this IP issue is a crutch at best for something else that spurned you.

All I know is that Ben wasn't the one doing this super soldier work. He did try to assist in bringing it forth. He did what he could do to help. I don't think he has an agenda to make lots of money on book sales, CD sales, and so on unlike a lot of the ones that are. I don't see his name anywhere when I go to Barnes and Noble. So what would his agenda be? Especially when his health is on on the rocks. And just like anywhere in the world, the phonies are everywhere. I will tell you this Mr. Ryan, that you don't know yourself, who you have allowed in your circle, because of certain donations made that was also indirectly responsible for Miriam's accident. I will also tell you that the reason why her accident occurred was that she was so close to finding out who that was because she has that gift of sight. It wasn't as though she was looking for this person, but this person knew she would have had that ability to spot this person and had that person's cover blown. I will just gladly say that it wasn't anyone in this forum and let you do the rest of the mysterious math.

As long as I have known Ben, which is only since last October, I have never known him to be anything less than the warrior he is and I would be honored to fight right along side of him any day of the week. Which is more than I can say to those who have passed judgment in their own selfish speculations. The hypocrisy would make any true warrior want to puke. Then to top it off, at least Ben knows who is real friends are now and who he can rely on if that ever comes to bear. He will do it as a last resort. The man has a sense of pride, of honor, and is a rare breed. I wish I could say the same...... You know the ones that use the word RESPECT as a shield to kiss butt that only want to stab your back in the name of respect. Whooaa...........! I thought I had seen it all. Just flies on a carcass. It's on the record books now and even if a mod has a moment and wants to be the thread slammer of the day, those postings are already your property. You own it in terms of energy. And I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

Here's the deal and my opinion. This material isn't worth getting killed for. It falls into the second hand category. As with everyone who sees any of this stuff through a second hand medium. Such as your TV, computer screen, radio, media, etc. Even all the interviews that you have taped is second hand at best and much of that was based second hand to you. The information I have seen so far presented is intriguing and the probability of it being true is all speculative. There has been no proof as in tangible that you have shared with us. So it is no different than this PDF file if you have some common sense about you and can step out of your shoes and see it in someone's POV. I am better off getting out of my chair here and going outside and experiencing something in the first hand to prove it to myself than sitting in this chair wondering how I can validate anything through second hand mediums. But here's the difference, I didn't throw you under the bus for trying.

Maybe the real issue here is now that you started this whole quest, You and Kerry, maybe it is time to re evaluate what direction you want to go with this by raising the bar with this ORG. Give TPTB something to really grapple over. But first, I would lighten up the load on these Mods and let them do what they do best and clean out this forum. You have double agents here and all kinds of back stabbing people who only want to make sure that your goals and the ones we also support are never realized. This is more serious than you may realize. It also exposes everyone involved who is sharing in the support of this movement to serious dangers and I say that as a surviving warrior in this field. I am not trying to instill fear here as you can find many dead people along the side of this road anywhere you look. Ask Greer about his assistant for one. That is only one. Now in the last great war I fought in, no light worker lost their life. It also doesn't have to occur here. But if you continue to go after the ones that are contributing behind the scenes on their own power and no support from you, this road is going to end and there will be many statistics. I say this because in my mind, once we turn on each other, we hand the darkside a win that didn't cost them a dime. I don't want to go down that way.

Now mind you, I have watched this play out for what it is worth and it just hasn't been worth the direction it has gone in. We know these programs are out there. I understand what it means to validate what you have seen. I strive for that myself in my own work as it also lets me know that what I have seen is not a dream. It's called integrity and that starts at home as many other qualities also start there. So if someone is going to be dragged through the mud and put up on a cross for something that hasn't been proven out, then I may as well just walk away because there is no integrity in doing that. Just remember that the laws of attraction also apply here. I rest my case for the time being and for the record, I present you with this article of property. Good day Mr. Ryan.

P.S. Also for the record, this forum has members that have far more gifts and talents and amazing testimonials, than some of the Marketeers you have interviewed, all right here under your nose. The real heroes that have sacrificed their lives in the name of service and never charged for those services rendered because they know the soul is priceless.