JAMES WingMakers- WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT !

[milk and honey]

Is this a defense of the WMM specifically? Or is it your statement of principle regarding ALL discussion about metaphysical works? It uses James' jargon so perhaps it is the former.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Mental conceptualization is never going to free us from our human mind system.

Not by itself, no.

Originally Posted by Jenny

We feed that system, it exists by the grace of our sensory equipment; hearing, seeing, smelling, feeling and thinking.
This " debate" in this thread is proving that with every word we type here.

Mental concepts are catalysts which can help free or bind the soul. Are you suggesting that expressing our thoughts to each other is a fruitless exercise? If so, James' email is just as profitless. Do you believe that the mind is fed only by the senses? It is true that a mind ignorant of the real-Self is just a sponge for external stimuli and egoic vanity. But the mind is also a vessel for the expression in matter of the real-Self. It too can concieve of mental concepts which can help free souls from the gravity of the ego. It can in-form the mind with the logic of the logos. Entering through the door of the mind, it separates the real from the unreal. The fruit of this enlightenment can be conceptualised and shared with others. It hints of the taste and fragrance of reality and truth. In fact a true adept can share even the experience if he/she so wills.

Your test is to discern the difference between the froth of the ego and the expression of the higher-Mind within yourself and in the conceptual outer world. The differences are often subtle. The real-Self can be assertive. The ego, falsely humble. With regard to the WMM it appears you believe you've passed that test (of discernment) and would like to silence everyone else.

Originally Posted by Jenny

Go inside, breath the breath of life and KNOW who you really are and stop this senseless ( grinn) debate of who is right and who is wrong.

Only those who accept the WMM and/or those who keep silence on it have "breathed the breath of life"?... and "KNOW who you are?"

At the center of each mind the real-Self sees and knows things as they are. It is real and therefore permanent or immortal. The outer egoic-mind has limited vision so it fails to know things as they are. It is unreal and therefore impermanent or mortal. Virtually everyone on Earth has both the inner-Mind and the outer-mind as described. Our test is to discern the difference -- to know the difference -- between the real and the unreal in our own mind and in the minds of others. This necessitates the free flow of ideas without which we cannot know each other. If we do not know each other we cannot live in society together because there must be basic agreements, for example, those expounded in the US Constitution of 1788.

From the free flow of ideas each mind has the opportunity to see the content of the mind of others which allows each to understand the whole. On that understanding alone, each can contribute to the formation of society's basic agreements, it's rights and responsibilities and it's institutions. Without knowing each other through free interaction how can we even agree on the basic societal foundation on which we need to evolve together? How could we agree on the basic values which we must share with all, in order to have private values which we need share only with some?

That is why the US Constitution is so great and why it is under attack.... even by James in the WMM.

It provides the basic agreements of society:

1) Freedom of Speech

2) Freedom of the Press

3) Freedom of Association

4) Freedom of Conscience in spiritual matters.

Do we still wan't these freedoms? Do we still agree? Obviously not and we had better percieve the serpentine logic of those who dissagree, because they are not open and honest in their implacable dissagreement with freedom, preferring instead to subtly subvert our innate spiritual sensibilities to gain our surrender to a supposed "superior" ethic of human equality and oneness, sans the US Constitution. The WMM is a part of this veiled opposition as are many, many others who stroke and tickle our spirits.

In our attempt to maintain the foundational agreements of society, are we only to concern ourselves with those who agree with us? And, in silence, ignore those who don't? If so we cannot know each other or the forces which act as an undertow to swallow up everything we value. If we are going to evolve together then we had better speak to each other especially when we dissagree. Freedom will not last long if we retreat in silence into our own convictions while the enemies of freedom are speaking, writing and acting as a rot in the foundation. Yes, the truth of spiritual-Selfhood is within but the CATALYSTS to it's discovery very often come from external information. I don't want to silence anyone and i don't wan't to be silenced. This is not merely a constitutional argument for freedom. It is a vision rooted in the same truth that birthed the principles found in that document.

Originally Posted by Jenny

And I personally dont give a .../....how you label that Knowing.

Neither do i but James gives a damn and insists on his own labels as exclusive representations of exclusive new truths utterly unique to the WMM.

Originally Posted by Jenny

The secret is only known by those who know this secret and those who do not know , well, you can't tell them because they did not do the inner work it requires.They are Just lazy people who feel fine with who they are now and who want to stay withing their comfort zone of the human mind system. And that is fine as well as I personally cannot do anything to get them off their lazy asses and do the work .......Breath................

How simple can it be???? Breath.......

Not everyone who seeks the 'secret' is "just lazy... on their lazy asses". A lot of seekers sincerely make their best efforts to discern the real from the unreal. James exerts great personal effort (in his boasting of singularly unique and unprecedented personal powers and unique cosmic responsibilities) to cultivate an image of "one who knows". Among other things, it shows he doesn't know but because he projects that chutzpah, he attracts people with the same pride who have actually developed a psychological reliance on him. The lie is so big it's 'believable'.