JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

[Magii]

hey people .. look up the word / phase "GROUP THINK"

I always see alot of that going on ...


But .. here is something that was noted in the interview ..

if u dont scratch your head on it .. and see something is off .. i dunno what to tell u

" led by Anu, the King of the Anunnaki, who required enslaved workers to mine the physical gold that was present on Earth in abundance."

Seriously .. a KING - MULTIVERSE - INTERDIMISIONAL - BEING - needs Physical gold?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Magii

" led by Anu, the King of the Anunnaki, who required enslaved workers to mine the physical gold that was present on Earth in abundance."

Seriously .. a KING - MULTIVERSE - INTERDIMISIONAL - BEING - needs Physical gold?

That made me wonder, too. But what are we lowly creatures to know of the truly worthy materials? Maybe in another universe I could sell my s.... well, you get the idea.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by Czymra

That made me wonder, too. But what are we lowly creatures to know of the truly worthy materials? Maybe in another universe I could sell my s.... well, you get the idea.

So your able to make the UNIVERSE and then u gotta go to one of the BILLIONZ gazzilioninos planets and mine for gold ?

... isnt that what he was saying ? or am i off somewhere?

[Czymra]

Magii, see:

Originally Posted by Josefine

Quite! The plot was much thicker:



We were in bodies of our own making,
but in a state of forgetfulness as to our true identity
when that happened, as I have suggested.

Remember, all the world is a stage. Sometimes we get carried away!

And some of Gnosis5 statements. The first and second discourse on the Lyricus homepage might shed more light on 'why we have been so silly' if that is in fact the case.

[Christo888]

I thought it was myth with Truth woven within it. I guess it makes ya think if anything!

[DigitalKid]

Originally Posted by shanonatime

kerry, i feel i know these people. it's strange.

like too strange.

you have no idea how much synchronicity has hit me in the face around this interview....

Must say I agree there, this interview really resonated with me, my inner vibrations where going wild at some points.

This guy is genuine and clearly knows his stuff, one of the best interviews by Camelot to date.

[ENdJOY]

Magii...did you read the interview, or just scan it...? James says

"The mythology of gold, being the purpose in which Anu manifested this entire system of creation, is only the surface motive. It was a much broader agenda that Anu aspired to: it was being God to all beings"

To fill you in on the legend: It is believed by members of the NSA today, (I just read last year's report) that the Anunaki live on the planet Niburu, which is three times the size of Jupiter, and one orbit (Sar) takes 3,600 of our years...they have created an atmosphere, laden with gold particles, that will maintain heat and light, even at its furthest point from Sol. This artificial atmosphere, needs to be replenished from time to time, and because Earth has a plentiful supply of gold, it was the likely place to mine it...but the Anunaki don't do manual labor, so they got the humans to do it, by altering their DNA.


now back to the point, I am trying to make here... James says that Anu ASPIRED to be god... well that tells you right up front that he knew that he wasn't god...because GOD is god, it doesn't aspire to become what it IS.

There is no doubt in my mind that God created Anu, to help the human species progress...he might not have seen it that way, when he altered the DNA of our species...but as we evolved, it has become apparent that this was all part of the plan...and he recognized our potential and at one point tried to destroy us all (Flood) because he was well aware of what we would become.

This line explains the fact that Anu knew exactaly what he was doing:

The motivation was more subtle: it was to enslave the Sovereign Integral consciousness, knowing that it was more powerful, more intelligent, and more aware than even Anu. This was the true motive of Anu – to control that which was greater than he.

now that is something that perhaps you should ponder for a while...we, each have the potential to activate a Sovereign Integral's perspective...which will make us "more powerful, more intelligent, and more aware than even Anu" ...and James tells us that those who have discovered this ability withIN themSelves, have reached a critical mass... and this is why Anu has abandoned his future plans concerning our species, because it is too late to stop our re-organization of FIRST SOURCE... and fulfilling our destiny as the true heirs of the "kingdom"...

[Christina Sila]

Milk and honey:

As you indicated above, “quantum pause” breathing may not be anything new, however it is new to me. I’m delighted that James offered up the recommendation for the practice of quantum pause breathing, for I’m now integrating that into the disciplines I’ve already embraced. And you’re correct in that the utility of quantum pause does not prove that GSSC = HMS.

I guess what I really wanted to say in the brief post above is that rather than attacking any of the James interview content that shakes my belief system, I chose to take what seems useful to me and leave the rest… for now.

[piers2210]

Endjoy, I like what you say.

Like i said on another thread, this was a brilliant, unique interview, for which we should be grateful to Camelot. However it will be hard for most people who are grounded in religion and spiritual teachings to take on board. Thankfully i can't stand religion.

Of course most people have never heard of Anu and the Annunaki, and even those who have have had to witness vicious trashing of the works of people like Sitchin and Michael Templeton.

Nothing is provable for sure, "proven" science is constantly being unproved, and we don't know the answers to basic questions like who we are, why we're here etc.

So this interview is where i'm going now.....i'm not going to worry about unbelievers. And i like the breathing programme too. Sounds great.....i need it.

[ENdJOY]

The breathing technique recommended by James is also known as square breathing. It's used to help stressed and angry folks calm down. I have used it with kids I work with.

Square Breathing

“Square” breathing is an easy-to-learn and easy-to-use technique for quickly reducing stress.


1. Begin by slowly breathing in for four seconds.
2. Hold your breath for four seconds
3. Slowly breathe out for four seconds
4. wait four seconds

Keep doing this for four minutes.

close but no cigar

there is a period between each set of four...where you breath normally... for up to five minutes (Consolidation Period)
It is amazing how much people miss, when they think they already know ... no doubt the "Square" breathing serves a purpose, but does it allow you to "enter the quantum domain."?




One cycle is described above, and it is recommended to do three to four cycles in a row and then return to normal breathing. This “normal” breathing period is called the Consolidation period. Keep your eyes closed throughout the process and sit with your back straight in a comfortable position, both feet on the ground. When you begin your consolidation period, it is a time for you to bring focus and all of your attention to those things that bubble to the surface of your consciousness, knowing that these arise for a reason. This is an excellent time to apply the Six Heart Virtues (appreciation, compassion, forgiveness, humility, valor, and understanding) to any thought or feeling that manifests.

This consolidation period usually lasts about three to five minutes, but there are no set time limits. Use your intuition to guide this period of time. Generally, each repetition of the consolidation, and usually there are four or five, becomes less crowded with thoughts or feelings, and by the time you enter the final consolidation period you have emptied yourself of thoughts and feelings and entered the quantum domain.

The diagram below depicts a typical session of Quantum Pause. Notice there are three cycles of the breath and then a consolidation period in this particular example. This repeats four times. You can have as many as five cycles of breath interspersed with consolidation periods, again, symmetry is important.

[ENdJOY]

Originally Posted by Christo888

I thought it was myth with Truth woven within it. I guess it makes ya think if anything!

you are quite right, but your understanding of "myth" may need to be updated

"I did not create a myth; I translated a Tributary Zone into a sensory data stream that can catalyze the human thalamocortical system to awaken its innate connection to the Genetic Mind. I refer to it as a mythology only because I must convey -- in good conscience -- that the material is not completely factual."


"The story (Ancient Arrow Book) contains scenarios that are fictional accounts of factual occurrences."


Question 8: If the WingMakers story is both truth and fiction, how are we to discern which is which? If the identity of the WingMakers is quite authentic (i.e. true), how can it also be myth (i.e. fiction)?

Buddha stated: "All reality is a myth. Myth becomes ever nearer to reality." The quality of one's discernment is proportional to their ability to accelerate their movement to the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness. A system of philosophy like the WingMakers requires a high-level of discernment, and it is therefore teaching on multiple levels simultaneously by intermixing truth and fiction.

This material is not meant for the weak of mind or lazy of heart. It is extremely challenging on many different levels, discernment being one of them. There is a significant amount of information encoded into the art and music that bypasses the conscious mind. In this way, discernment is not required. However, the Ancient Arrow Project story is indeed fiction based on acquired insight of factual scenarios.

[Christina Sila]

ENdJOY~
Yes, that’s what i'm talking about, that's precisely the breathing pattern I’m beginning to practice in the mornings, and /or do some yoga stretching before heading out into the snow to travel 7 miles to the office for 8 or 9 hours (a regular worker bee slave, huh?). A key point in the practice is posture, “sit with your back straight in a comfortable position, both feet on the ground.” I found that when sitting in bed and leaning against a wall I’m more apt doze off and then wake up an hour latter. The breathing pattern is relaxing enough. Heh. While sitting comfortably in a chair with feet grounded to the floor, I can easily focus on (3) four count cycles followed with normal breathing, repeated four times, and not fall asleep. No consciousness shift yet. ~grins~

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by feeler

What kind of spirits would be willing to go into the bodies of slaves, mining for gold for the reptilians?


-feeler

I s'pose it was rhetorical but the short answer is, none.

There may be some validity to the idea that aliens genetically interfered with the human race and that they also cloned humans as fodder for their own uses. But that's a far cry from claiming that they created the human race.

We're also being told by a gaggle of channelled sources that benevolent aliens in UFOs created the human race and that they're now returning - as our parents - to genetically facilitate the next evolutionary leap in consciousness.

As i see it, both are lies.

Both promote the pretense that they are the originators of our genetic code and that consequently we're now dependent (on the 'good alien faction' at least) on a tweak to our DNA - courtesy of their technology - to take the next evolutionary leap. What would we do without them?

All that has likely ever happened is the theft and manipulation of the genes of ancient humans which leaves us now to sort through competing claims of "creation" in ancient and modern texts. And they are competing accounts not merely our own failure to recognise the aliens in UFOs as our parents.

The soul - in matter - is a connected projection from the spiritual Self - in spirit. Each individuality (individed-duality) is the loving creation of even greater spiritual beings in the spiritual plane.... The Elohim. Those beings are far beyond the need for any technologies in the material plane. They create soley by the power of Spiritual Mind and as replicas of their identity, so can we. We have it deep within us to develop the same intelligence and power but the potential is dormant and unrealised in most of humanity.

It hasn't always been that way. The true history of the planet will show (not the phony history of humans as mere slaves) that there have been times when large numbers of us had highly developed our creative powers. In Lemurian times and later Atlantis, we walked in the light of divine Identity because we had discovered it and honoured it within ourselves and in the lives of others. That grace was reflected in our societal institutions and in all our daily affairs. But it didn't last.

For lack of honor and attunement with the interior Spirit, and the abuse of our knowledge and power, almost everyone fell into discord and strife with each other and consequently both civilisations were eventually destroyed. The inner truth became a still small voice where once it had saturated our awareness and graced our lives with power, wisdom and love. In many, even the still small voice was snuffed out. And here we are today, relatively ignorant and vulnerable to disinfo about our identity and origin in Spirit and the path of our sojourn in matter, waxing and waning in Self-knowledge as it has.

I suggested earlier that "the short answer is none". The longer answer is that yes, slaves were most likely engineered and their offspring are most likely still with us today as easily manipulated fodder. As for the rest of us, we have lost our Lemurian inheritance (our divine Identity). A man or woman stripped of Self-knowledge becomes a slave to the ignorance and vanity of the outer self. A person in that fallen state is compelled to re-incarnate because they have 'karma', made by harming others while in that state of ignorance. Service must be rendered to bring balance to the law of cause and effect.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Magii

hey people .. look up the word / phase "GROUP THINK"

I always see alot of that going on ...


But .. here is something that was noted in the interview ..

if u dont scratch your head on it .. and see something is off .. i dunno what to tell u

" led by Anu, the King of the Anunnaki, who required enslaved workers to mine the physical gold that was present on Earth in abundance."

Seriously .. a KING - MULTIVERSE - INTERDIMISIONAL - BEING - needs Physical gold?

Absolutely. You could drive a truck through a hole like that.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Christina Sila

Milk and honey:

As you indicated above, “quantum pause” breathing may not be anything new, however it is new to me. I’m delighted that James offered up the recommendation for the practice of quantum pause breathing, for I’m now integrating that into the disciplines I’ve already embraced. And you’re correct in that the utility of quantum pause does not prove that GSSC = HMS.

It doesn't concern you that James "translated" the technique from the "tributary zone" for the first time ever? - after a portal opened in 1998 for the first time ever?

Originally Posted by Christina Sila

I guess what I really wanted to say in the brief post above is that rather than attacking any of the James interview content that shakes my belief system, I chose to take what seems useful to me and leave the rest… for now.

I'm not 'attacking' James by exposing his hypocrisy, his plaigerism, his dis-ingenuity and his shillery for the PTB.

Secondly, you assume that any such commentary of my own must be based merely on my personal beliefs being shaken by the WMM. Have you considered that the WMM is based on plaigerism, internet conspiracies and James' personal beliefs? And that considering some of the other things he has to say in support of the agenda of the PTB that his motive is questionable? Or the possibility that my own commentary is based on truth rather than belief?

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

close but no cigar

there is a period between each set of four...where you breath normally... for up to five minutes (Consolidation Period)
It is amazing how much people miss, when they think they already know ... no doubt the "Square" breathing serves a purpose, but does it allow you to "enter the quantum domain."?


One cycle is described above, and it is recommended to do three to four cycles in a row and then return to normal breathing. This “normal” breathing period is called the Consolidation period. Keep your eyes closed throughout the process and sit with your back straight in a comfortable position, both feet on the ground. When you begin your consolidation period, it is a time for you to bring focus and all of your attention to those things that bubble to the surface of your consciousness, knowing that these arise for a reason. This is an excellent time to apply the Six Heart Virtues (appreciation, compassion, forgiveness, humility, valor, and understanding) to any thought or feeling that manifests.

This consolidation period usually lasts about three to five minutes, but there are no set time limits. Use your intuition to guide this period of time. Generally, each repetition of the consolidation, and usually there are four or five, becomes less crowded with thoughts or feelings, and by the time you enter the final consolidation period you have emptied yourself of thoughts and feelings and entered the quantum domain.

FYI the breathing technique obviously requires periods of normal breathing in between. If you're supposing, or James' pretending, that only the exact cycles which he recommends will bring results in the "sacred fire breath" / "square breathing" / SRF's "energisation exercises" / "quantum pause" then you're mistaken. The adepts who released the technique are not stupid. They were not about to term it a "quantum effect" in a world which knew nothing of modern scientific terms. But they did use terms which James doesn't use but which add even more understanding to the anatomy of the 'quantum' effect.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

you are quite right, but your understanding of "myth" may need to be updated

"I did not create a myth; I translated a Tributary Zone into a sensory data stream that can catalyze the human thalamocortical system to awaken its innate connection to the Genetic Mind. I refer to it as a mythology only because I must convey -- in good conscience -- that the material is not completely factual."

When he could no longer sustain the charade, James admitted that the WMM is not completely factual. He was heavily pressured to do so by public disbelief but he didn't go far enough. His good conscience still sleeps while he maintains that his source is anything but a perusal of the religious and metaphysical literature of the world and all the conspiracy theories we've all read. Conscience slumbers on while James maintains that he remote viewed the nuts and bolts of his story, claiming them as 'fictional accounts' of 'factual occurences'. And: "aquired info" of "factual scenarios". He remote viewed the 'factual occurances'? By James' account, apparantly so but mind you it was no ordinary "remote viewing'. It's a type of RM that is virtually unique to James. As are all his other extraordinarly unique powers.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Question 8: If the WingMakers story is both truth and fiction, how are we to discern which is which? If the identity of the WingMakers is quite authentic (i.e. true), how can it also be myth (i.e. fiction)?

Buddha stated: "All reality is a myth. Myth becomes ever nearer to reality. "The quality of one's discernment is proportional to their ability to accelerate their movement to the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness. A system of philosophy like the WingMakers requires a high-level of discernment, and it is therefore teaching on multiple levels simultaneously by intermixing truth and fiction.

"All reality is a myth to the 'egoic mind' while all farce occupies it's fancy.
Reality - what the 'egoic mind' thinks is myth - is revealed as one awakens to Buddhic Mind."

Yes, a high level of discernment is required to know WMM as it really is. Same goes for many other religious and metaphysical materials because they do teach on multiple levels simultaneously, sometimes mixing truth with fiction too. But two things about this:

First, it appears to me that the reason you frequently repeat the necessity for high discernment is because you're really saying; "If you have any objection whatever to the WMM then you simply are not discerning enough. You're just not going deep enough. Those of us who have no objections are the most discerning. So let me repeat again, you do need a high level......."

That is the constant rejoinder used to deal with all objections: "You are the problem. There is no problem with the WMM."

Well it can sometimes be the case when dealing with concepts of truth that greater depth of perception is needed to discern them. But when one has gone within and discerned the origin of the concepts in the WMM, including the truths and the lies then one cannot be swayed by the repetition of your continual admonishments. While the admonishment is not out of place in a scenario where truth is presented it is just mind control when associated with half-truths, lies and plaigerised truths used to sell a bigger lie.

A few of your statements for example:

"This material is not meant for the weak of mind or lazy of heart."

"It is extremely challenging on many different levels, discernment being one of them."

"There is a significant amount of information encoded into the art and music that bypasses the conscious mind."

If anyone has any objections at all to any aspect of the WMM we are dismissed as:

"weak minded"

"lazy hearted"

"not up to the challenge"

"undiscerning".

"attacking James" .... etc

Do you know that all music is encoded with information that bypasses the conscious mind? Some of it will shred the subtle bodies, while others can take you to sublime states. In that state there is a 'significant amount of information' available. Same goes for some art.

Once again the WM Music and Art is presented as singularly unique in that regard just like so much of James info and personal powers. We'd be toast without him.

But back to the point i began earlier from this quote: .... the WMM requires a high level of discernment and it is therefore teaching on multiple levels simultaneously by intermixing truth and fiction.

Much of the religious and metaphysical literature (+ art and music) is teaching on multi-levels simultaneously and does require high discernment, i agree. We do not need to overly concern ourselves with splitting fact from fiction if they serve each other well and are well intentioned. But mixing truth with half-truths, palaigered truths, false claimed events 'remote viewed', lying about conspiracy "facts", psuedo science and unprecedented unique personal powers is a totally different matter. So let's not characterise all objections to the WMM as merely objecting to reasonable artistic license. My own objections certainly have not been confined to that.

[ENdJOY]

I do understand where you are coming from Milk and Honey... your name says it all...

I have been there...and done that...but my mind remained open and receptive, and yes, It is stated clearly in the paper associated with the music, that there are (inaudible) tones embedded in the music that were placed there specifically to activate a "transformation" that will restore the original template of the SECU... the Chamber 10 music is the "trigger" for this activation...but it is not to be assumed that this is a light switch, there is much more work to do, on a personal level, to facilitate the "complete" transformation and only the super charged energy of the Galactic sun will give us "full" activation of the Source Codes.

you may believe this or not... but only the perspective of the Sovereign Integral state of conscious, will allow one to grasp these concepts and to fully understand the purpose of the Wingmaker's experience...until then they will remain "unknown" ... this "vision" is far to big for the MIND to comprehend.

[Czymra]

Way to go Milk and Honey. I'm a 100% with you. In fact you said all those things that laid on my tongue but couldn't be bothered to put down in writing or find the right words for.

I do however also respect that there might be more to the story as EndJoy puts it. It is sadly a universal truth that the recipient needs to be ready to receive the message, otherwise it's all wasted. The question is how can one become ready and why is it so darn difficult?

Anyway, something I'd like to ask since it appears here: You are talking about these inaudible tones. I'm confused. I've been trying to find material on subliminal messages and have found next to nothing that gave any sensical account of such. In fact anything that works subconscously that I found explanations for so far is NLP. Also, why would those inaudible tones be guaranteed to be heard by me? My speakers are probably designed to resound the frequencies I CAN hear and not necessarily those that are in those melodies and even if I hear them, can you give me a nudge in the right direction that help me find out how that works?
I'm a film maker and highly interested in this stuff but really have found quite little of substance on the matter.

[ENdJOY]

Bless you Czymra, for your open mind, and williness to explore !
I would suggest that you go to the Monroe Institute, to begin your research they have been investigating subliminal frequencies for many years now... here are some links....

http://www.hemi-sync.com/store/home.php
http://www.monroeinstitute.com/

James is quite open about telling everyone that his music does contain "subliminal" tones specifically designed to stimulate activation of junk/dormant DNA and other purposes... some snips from the Music Section of the WM's webpage: http://www.wingmakers.com/music-hakomi4-6.html

There are references in virtually all religious texts, as well as physics and cosmology that describe – however obliquely – the Para Vach. In the Bible it is the Word made flesh; it is the Nada of the Upanishads; the Kalma-I-ilahi or inner sound of the Koran; the HU of the Sufi; the music of the spheres in Pythagorean philosophy; it is Fohat in Buddhism; and the Kwan-Yin-Tien in Chinese mysticism. Regardless of its name or precise definition, it is the fundamental cause of all sound and light within the Grand Universe, which in turn is the fundamental cause of all manifestation.

...

Sacred music, chants, mantras, and harmonic vibrations are the countervailing effect of this vibratory density, and it is the most potent way in which to direct and uphold the inherent harmony of the Interface Zone that surrounds each of us. In a meditative state, the sound of one’s voice chanting a mantra or the sacred name of First Source is very powerful, particularly if one is actively visualizing and imagining a harmonious Interface Zone.

There are melody lines embedded within the music of Hakomi Chambers 4-6 that can be internalized and used as a harmonic “broom” to sweep the denser vibrations that may have accumulated within your Interface Zone.

[ENdJOY]

Milk and Honey, I am not here to debate you...so you can put your guns away...I respect you opinions, and defend you right to state them...I have no agenda here other than to share my own experiences...and to present them using the original "language" that introduce the concepts to me.

I am amazed at how many "intellects" are willing to tell you what something tastes LIKE, without every having experienced it...thinking that by comparing it to something else it will define its unique flavor.

do you really expect anyone to take your word for fact, when you have not experienced the WM's materials? I do wonder why you are so intent on keep others from trying it on for themselves...when you have not even tried it for yourself.

Lyricus Discourse 1
Experiencing the Wholeness Navigator

Student: What prevents me from experiencing my innermost self?

Teacher: Nothing.

Student: Then why don’t I experience it?

Teacher: Fear.

Student: So, then fear prevents me?

Teacher: Nothing prevents you.

Student: But didn’t you just say that fear is the reason I can’t experience this state of consciousness?

Teacher: Yes, but it does not prevent you.

Student: Then what does?

Teacher: Nothing.

Student: Then what role does fear play?

Teacher: If you are in prison, what do you fear most when you dream of being liberated?

Student: Returning to prison… So, you’re saying that I fear experiencing my inmost self because I will return to my ignorance.

Teacher: No. I am saying that your fear of ignorance holds you in ignorance.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Milk and Honey, I am not here to debate you...so you can put your guns away...I respect you opinions, and defend you right to state them...I have no agenda here other than to share my own experiences...and to present them using the original "language" that introduce the concepts to me.

I am amazed at how many "intellects" are willing to tell you what something tastes LIKE, without every having experienced it...thinking that by comparing it to something else it will define its unique flavor.

do you really expect anyone to take your word for fact, when you have not experienced the WM's materials? I do wonder why you are so intent on keep others from trying it on for themselves...when you have not even tried it for yourself.

Again, I have to agree with you EndJoy. In fact, most of you speak so straight from the heart it would be difficult not to. I find it very interesting however because it seems that both of you (if you would accept my most humble perspective) are true followers of that (spiritual) path toward what we call 'truth'. The fine line however seems to be that Milk and Honey tries to judge whether some practices are 'worth the effort'. I suppose that springs from the wish to prevent wasting one's time with a teacher or a teaching that could possibly just be someone's phantasm.
In fact I myself have experienced this first hand, and many of you also I am certain, are very aware of those shammers that invent their religions and spiritualism for the sake of control and power they gain over their followers.
I too was weary of the 'arrogance' that James' interview seemed to project, even though it seems full of generously elongated explanations of 'yet again the same issue'. Some of this is necessary in order to shatter the old notions, however, how many wrong preachers had we already had that keep on telling you that what they say is 'completely different' from any other teaching.
This is all well and good and the discourse you quoted rings deep especially within me and I was exhilarated when I found that section just last night. I can also stand with the fact of mixing up fact and fiction, but the fact/fiction that James is incognito, leading people to believe that he could be an 'alien' or a 'time traveller' puts me off. Clearly, when you put such a message out and hide yourself behind a mask, you have the perfect setup for another mystic religion already.

Also, having just dived into the WMM myself, I don't understand how his old teachings can tie in with the new ones.

[ENdJOY]

Thank you, Czymra, for your understanding...yes, I can relate to "the search" that truth seekers are on. I spent two decades looking for "the true church" dabbling in and out of New Age propaganda and did not find it...another five years studying Kaballah for the "origins"...so by the time I got around to the WM's materials, I was pretty skeptical...but my heart lept for joy...the resonance was astounding, and I have never been one to deny my heart, it is what I have been following all my life.

Maybe because I didn't hesitate to trigger the transformation, I avoided all the doubt that my fellow travelers have ... It works for me... if you take it step by step this is "the proven way"...and it just keeps getting better all the time... at least that has been my experience, each person is unique.

As for James...you might want to listen to his interview with Mark, that tells about his child hood... he has never claimed to be anything other than Human, with a mission...many assume he is an ET...but the WMs are not ETs either, according to this latest interview.

Here is how he answers that question...I found it endearing.

Question 5: Are you a 'Master' as some proclaim?

There are so many definitions of the term "master" that I am not willing to say I am this, or I am not this, unless a definition accompanies the word. Since you did not provide a definition with your question, I will not provide an answer. I will, however, acknowledge the spirit of your question, which is: what am I?

In this regard I am as you are. I am a multidimensional being who lives simultaneously in a spectrum of realities. My dominant reality is different than yours. Because of this difference, I am able to process this human reality at a different frequency rate, which enables me to perceive behind and beyond the three-dimensional "surface" of this reality.

As a result of this ability, I am able to translate art, music, poetry, philosophy, and scientific insights that are from my dominant reality into yours. In so doing, I have translated sensory data that will catalyze future discoveries that will redefine the human soul.

Now, does this mean I am a master? I am simply performing the exact function I was created to perform. The output of personal behavior is always compared to the goal of your internal expectation and the output of your fellow man. This is typically how we are measured, are we not? There is no measure or comparison for the crystallized and absolutely individualized purpose of one who is operating in faultless accord to his or her purpose. "Masters" abound in the human arena. Some are excellent teachers, but very, very few teach how to transition from the human-mind dominant reality to that of the human-soul . Even fewer teach how to transition to the awareness and functionality of the Sovereign Integral state. One thing I can tell you, trust no one's proclamation, instead, examine in-depth the fruits of the supposed master and determine how they empower you to become your own self-sufficient teacher.

If you can find this, then you have found a master worthy of your time and energy.

[Gnosis5]

Why worry about what someone else says when you have the ability within you to go and look at truths for yourself? That is one truth James spoke and I'm sticking by it, lol.

cheers!
Gnosis

[LoVeloO]

ENdJOY = starduster = BLECK