Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality??

Josefine · 11-30-2008, 08:37 AM

[QUOTE=milk and honey;88930]'Religion' treats the subject of 'spirit' so to me they're synonymous with each other.

Religion cannot be synonymous with spirit. Religion is meant to point in the direction of spirit, but often it does not. Often it is totally based on fear, cutting us off from spirit.

Yes, I agree with you, milk and honey. Religious issues and quotes belong in this section as well. But if the name of the thread is 'Our Spiritual Quest', it might serve to remind us, if we lapse into preaching, that the living spirit in each of us does not make us identical. Spirit permits us to be uniquely ourselves, and not necessarily to see everything alike. Except for love, which is beyond words.

jachmad · 11-30-2008, 11:08 AM

4. Spiritual --- Green-Blue-Indigo
3. Intelectual --- Mind --- Yellow
2. Emotional (sexual) --- Mind --- Orange
1. Physical --- Body --- Red

A person who is still living in the intelectual level can not understand those who is already living in the spiritual level. Just like a hunter (mostly physical-emotional, some intelectual) in the midle of Borneo can not understand what a stockbroker (mostly physical-emotional-intelectual, barely spiritual) do.

Salaam

Josefine · 11-30-2008, 11:25 AM

Jachmad, I see what you are trying to say.

The thing is, we normally operate on all these levels simultaneously, how can we not?

Also, indigineous people, living simply off the land, are often advanced spiritually. This is the case with many North-American Indians, with the Aboriginees of Australia, of the South-American Indians, of the Scandinavian and Russian laplanders, or Samii people, also peoples in Asia. Mind you, they have to work on their spiritual path as well, just like we do. If theyr simply are followers, leaving the spiritual work to their Shaman, Noaide, or Elder, instead of just being guided and inspired by them, they are negecting their own path.

We are likely to see a great simplification of civilization after the great change that is ahead of us. But we have every reason to expect a higher level of spiritual awareness and insight, as this is a requirement for our evolution.

jachmad · 11-30-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Josefine

Jachmad, I see what you are trying to say.

The thing is, we normally operate on all these levels simultaneously, how can we not?

Simultaneously yes, but usually lack of focus on the spiritual level.

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Originally Posted by Josefine

If theyr simply are followers, leaving the spiritual work to their Shaman, Noaide, or Elder, instead of just being guided and inspired by them, they are negecting their own path.

This is mostly the case...

Salaam

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11-30-2008, 11:51 AM

The simplest answer is the best. what is spirituality? What is religion?

jachmad · 11-30-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebula

The simplest answer is the best. what is spirituality? What is religion?

Spirituality is about radiating the fourth, fifth and sixth chakras. Unconditional love, Wisdom (intelectuality far beyond this narrow space/time reality) and Oneness.

Religion try to intelectualized (and emotionalize) spirituality.

Salaam

pardon my English

777 The Great Work · 11-30-2008, 03:04 PM

All is spirit,all natural effects are from spiritual causes.

milk and honey · 11-30-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Josefine

Religion cannot be synomymous with spirit. Religion is meant to point in the direction of spirit, but often it does not. Often it is totally based on fear, cutting us off from spirit.

Yes, I agree with you, milk and honey. Religious issues and quotes belong in this section as well. But if the name of the thread is 'Our Spiritual Quest', it might serve to remind us, if we lapse into preaching, that the living spirit in each of us does not make us identical. Spirit permits us to be uniquely ourselves, and not necessarily to see everything alike. Except for love, which is beyond words.

Fair enough Josefine.

Guess i was talking about what religion is and not the degenerate thing it has mostly become.

Religious texts can point to inner-spirit, right.

I wasn't really saying religion is spirit but that they're so ideally compatable - note i say 'ideally' - that they're synonymous for the purpose of allowing religious discussion in a "spirituality" section of a forum. That was my subtext and i see you agree. They are so to me because in the scriptures of east and west i have found communion with spirit.

Of course spiritual inspiration can be found in all kinds of experiences not just by reading scripture.

Does that make spirit synonymous with other things? In the same sense that religious scriptures are then i guess so.

Thanks.

11-30-2008, 08:37 AM	#1
Josefine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 229	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? [QUOTE=milk and honey;88930]'Religion' treats the subject of 'spirit' so to me they're synonymous with each other. Religion cannot be synonymous with spirit. Religion is meant to point in the direction of spirit, but often it does not. Often it is totally based on fear, cutting us off from spirit. Yes, I agree with you, milk and honey. Religious issues and quotes belong in this section as well. But if the name of the thread is 'Our Spiritual Quest', it might serve to remind us, if we lapse into preaching, that the living spirit in each of us does not make us identical. Spirit permits us to be uniquely ourselves, and not necessarily to see everything alike. Except for love, which is beyond words. Last edited by Josefine; 11-30-2008 at 11:13 AM.

11-30-2008, 11:08 AM	#2
jachmad Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? 4. Spiritual --- Green-Blue-Indigo 3. Intelectual --- Mind --- Yellow 2. Emotional (sexual) --- Mind --- Orange 1. Physical --- Body --- Red A person who is still living in the intelectual level can not understand those who is already living in the spiritual level. Just like a hunter (mostly physical-emotional, some intelectual) in the midle of Borneo can not understand what a stockbroker (mostly physical-emotional-intelectual, barely spiritual) do. Salaam

11-30-2008, 11:25 AM	#3
Josefine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 229	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Jachmad, I see what you are trying to say. The thing is, we normally operate on all these levels simultaneously, how can we not? Also, indigineous people, living simply off the land, are often advanced spiritually. This is the case with many North-American Indians, with the Aboriginees of Australia, of the South-American Indians, of the Scandinavian and Russian laplanders, or Samii people, also peoples in Asia. Mind you, they have to work on their spiritual path as well, just like we do. If theyr simply are followers, leaving the spiritual work to their Shaman, Noaide, or Elder, instead of just being guided and inspired by them, they are negecting their own path. We are likely to see a great simplification of civilization after the great change that is ahead of us. But we have every reason to expect a higher level of spiritual awareness and insight, as this is a requirement for our evolution.

11-30-2008, 11:51 AM	#5
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