Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality??

Jenny · 11-29-2008, 09:25 PM

I suggested to separate personal psychological issues and expanding consciousness from spirituality and/or religion.

Personal experiences regarding an evolving awareness and consciousness are mistaken for spirituality and vise versa.

Spirituality and religion are two separate fields of exploration as well and mixing it all up creates a lot of confusion.

I recommend to read and study what Ken Wilber has to say on this.
Google him and read him..he is a great philosopher and scientific thinker and he is surrounded by many great scientists and spiritual masters.

Circlewerk · 11-29-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenny

I suggested to separate personal psychological issues and expanding consciousness from spirituality and/or religion.

Agreed.

This is an opportunity, to detach from definitions all together.
They're all conditioning anyway.
Be unconditional, neutral.
These words we use to describe what is indescribable, are all we have to work with, especially in a forum like this.
The moment one gets hung up on the words & their definitions, their vibration sinks.
Just be with this~ Allow.
Wanting to be heard, understood, acknowledged in any way thwarts the opportunity to simply share without an expectation on the results.
Whatever happens, happens, and if the motivation to put words out into this forum, this universe, is free from conditions, the vibration with which they are written stands by itself, and the author remains psychologically free.

CW

Jenny · 11-29-2008, 10:54 PM

O man, Circlework How I love your posts!

You made my day today.

Thank you.

Circlewerk · 11-29-2008, 11:19 PM

Hello Jenny~
Thank you for your kind words.

Feel good, friend.
CW

towhatend · 11-30-2008, 02:05 AM

Hi Circlewerk, thanks for your reply on this. It seems to me that a fundamental part of the human equation is the desire to categorise/label/define all the experiences along its path. One word can make such a difference(look at the time and effort that goes into the wording of UN resolutions) or not, and it is with interest I observe the different ways that are used to explain the feeling of something greater that is being shared by so many at this time. Sometimes when online I feel a great sense of peace, tranquility and unconditional love that used to be almost overwhelming. Now I understand it to be connections being made through the ether/spirit/Higgs Field, call it what you may.

Will the LHC prove Higgs's theory. Time and us will tell!!!!

the plot thickens!!!! have a great day everyone.

Circlewerk · 11-30-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by towhatend

Hi Circlewerk, thanks for your reply on this. It seems to me that a fundamental part of the human equation is the desire to categorise/label/define all the experiences along its path. One word can make such a difference(look at the time and effort that goes into the wording of UN resolutions) or not, and it is with interest I observe the different ways that are used to explain the feeling of something greater that is being shared by so many at this time. Sometimes when online I feel a great sense of peace, tranquility and unconditional love that used to be almost overwhelming. Now I understand it to be connections being made through the ether/spirit/Higgs Field, call it what you may.

Will the LHC prove Higgs's theory. Time and us will tell!!!!

the plot thickens!!!! have a great day everyone.

Hello Towhatend~

I get you, I feel you~

Interesting how so many want to discover it, name it, define it, eh?
What do you think that desire is?
Could it be that the desire is as a result of our consciousness immersed in conditioned thinking, therefore unable to know spirit IS there now, and is content to leave it untitled?

Whether it exists due to ether, the noosphere, the Mandelbrot Set, etc, is no where near as vital as vibrating there, nameless.

All of these theories are the discoveries of mind, realizing what is already known in spirit, prior to consciousness being marinated with division & dogma, ad infinitum.
I agree, the connection is profound.

Sweet Peace,
CW

Josefine · 11-30-2008, 06:29 AM

We could call this thread 'Our Spiritual Quest' in order to remind ourselves that it is not about religion as such. It is our individual and collective journey that may lead us in the direction of spirit.

When we are in a state of love (unconditional or compassionate) we are one with spirit. Our heart then resonates to the frequency of 8 hz, this is the frequency of love, according to some researchers.

When we have little 'epiphanies' of insight, a feeling of oneness, brought on by anything that stirs the heart, be it music, beauty, joy, dance, humor, nature, pets, a significant other person, a teacher, a book, anything that reminds us of the oneness that is spirit, we are in touch with it.

When our quest for the spiritual is funnelled into religion, tenets and dogmas are imposed and we might forget to listen within where our individual connection to spirit is. Religion is no guarantee for our connection with spirit, for often religion is laced with fear, but it may not stop us from connecting either.

Ken Wilburs teachings are full of tenets. This is his brand of Buddhism, a religion. 'Scientific spirituality' is not direct, it is spirituality observed, and attempted explained, and thus on a path to a system with tenets and even dogma, as almost all sciences today are full of dogma.

Spirit surrounds 'Everything That Is'. Fear cuts us off from it.
If we fear that we cannot be in touch with it, we most likely are not.
When we live in trust, directed by a still voice within, we are on a spritual path.

A spiritual path is a quest, and may lead to personal perceptions and insights, which is spirit individually translated. This quest is free and open to every one of us. We can share it with each other, but not impose it on anyone.

Gnosis5 · 11-30-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Circlewerk

Agreed.

This is an opportunity, to detach from definitions all together.
They're all conditioning anyway.
Be unconditional, neutral.
These words we use to describe what is indescribable, are all we have to work with, especially in a forum like this.
The moment one gets hung up on the words & their definitions, their vibration sinks.
Just be with this~ Allow.
Wanting to be heard, understood, acknowledged in any way thwarts the opportunity to simply share without an expectation on the results.
Whatever happens, happens, and if the motivation to put words out into this forum, this universe, is free from conditions, the vibration with which they are written stands by itself, and the author remains psychologically free.

CW

Noble thoughts worthy of a "bump". I just came out of a session where even at our earliest beginnings we were getting serious about solutions to get agreements. Agreements started to become enforced. I know, I was there and I saw myself do it too.

Stay loose and free,
Gnosis

Josefine · 11-30-2008, 07:09 PM

Some really good posts her, you'all!

Jachmad, paid a visit to your web link. Great place!

J

jachmad · 12-02-2008, 04:47 AM

Thanks Josefine for your apreciation.

towhatend · 12-03-2008, 07:30 AM

Hey everyone, many thanks for responding to the original post, has brought up some great thoughts and much to mull upon.

regards, towhatend.

11-29-2008, 09:25 PM	#1
Jenny Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 496	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? I suggested to separate personal psychological issues and expanding consciousness from spirituality and/or religion. Personal experiences regarding an evolving awareness and consciousness are mistaken for spirituality and vise versa. Spirituality and religion are two separate fields of exploration as well and mixing it all up creates a lot of confusion. I recommend to read and study what Ken Wilber has to say on this. Google him and read him..he is a great philosopher and scientific thinker and he is surrounded by many great scientists and spiritual masters. __________________

11-29-2008, 10:54 PM	#3
Jenny Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 496	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? O man, Circlework How I love your posts! You made my day today. Thank you. __________________

11-29-2008, 11:19 PM	#4
Circlewerk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So.Cal Posts: 156	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Hello Jenny~ Thank you for your kind words. Feel good, friend. CW

11-30-2008, 02:05 AM	#5
towhatend Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Hi Circlewerk, thanks for your reply on this. It seems to me that a fundamental part of the human equation is the desire to categorise/label/define all the experiences along its path. One word can make such a difference(look at the time and effort that goes into the wording of UN resolutions) or not, and it is with interest I observe the different ways that are used to explain the feeling of something greater that is being shared by so many at this time. Sometimes when online I feel a great sense of peace, tranquility and unconditional love that used to be almost overwhelming. Now I understand it to be connections being made through the ether/spirit/Higgs Field, call it what you may. Will the LHC prove Higgs's theory. Time and us will tell!!!! the plot thickens!!!! have a great day everyone.

11-30-2008, 06:29 AM	#7
Josefine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 229	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? We could call this thread 'Our Spiritual Quest' in order to remind ourselves that it is not about religion as such. It is our individual and collective journey that may lead us in the direction of spirit. When we are in a state of love (unconditional or compassionate) we are one with spirit. Our heart then resonates to the frequency of 8 hz, this is the frequency of love, according to some researchers. When we have little 'epiphanies' of insight, a feeling of oneness, brought on by anything that stirs the heart, be it music, beauty, joy, dance, humor, nature, pets, a significant other person, a teacher, a book, anything that reminds us of the oneness that is spirit, we are in touch with it. When our quest for the spiritual is funnelled into religion, tenets and dogmas are imposed and we might forget to listen within where our individual connection to spirit is. Religion is no guarantee for our connection with spirit, for often religion is laced with fear, but it may not stop us from connecting either. Ken Wilburs teachings are full of tenets. This is his brand of Buddhism, a religion. 'Scientific spirituality' is not direct, it is spirituality observed, and attempted explained, and thus on a path to a system with tenets and even dogma, as almost all sciences today are full of dogma. Spirit surrounds 'Everything That Is'. Fear cuts us off from it. If we fear that we cannot be in touch with it, we most likely are not. When we live in trust, directed by a still voice within, we are on a spritual path. A spiritual path is a quest, and may lead to personal perceptions and insights, which is spirit individually translated. This quest is free and open to every one of us. We can share it with each other, but not impose it on anyone.

11-30-2008, 07:09 PM	#9
Josefine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 229	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Some really good posts her, you'all! Jachmad, paid a visit to your web link. Great place! J

12-02-2008, 04:47 AM	#10
jachmad Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Thanks Josefine for your apreciation.

12-03-2008, 07:30 AM	#11
towhatend Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: Can the Spirituality thread be re-named Non-physicality?? Hey everyone, many thanks for responding to the original post, has brought up some great thoughts and much to mull upon. regards, towhatend.