Concepts of God

macrostheblack · 11-24-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra

I believe so... God is Self Luminous Love and Truth in Mans Heart - His Light reflects upon Mans Mind like the moon reflects the sunlight at night and bathes the world in dim light to be seen and experienced by Man - When Mind is calm Moon is bright and the sky is clear of the clouds of confusion Man sees himself and his surroundings better - When there is No Mind to reflect The Light when Man is Awake and the day is sunny and bright God in Man sees It as It is

So to become One with Myself is to become One with God - My long journey in Man from Myself to Myself - All is God - How can i hurt another Man - How can i poison Earth - God finds no pleasure in inflicting pain

Cannot Man refine friendship with God - Certainly! - Ask pray invite or devote God in Man to participate - God doesnt intrude on Mans free will He is waiting behind the door eager for the call - Take 1 step to God and He takes 10 steps toward Man

You have opened my eyes and showed me an answer. How many of us see God as a friend? Sure, we all call on him in times of difficulty - sadly as a last resort. I never thought of God as being a friend or mate etc - just a mysterious aspect of life. I accept that God exists but wouldnt have prayed, talked to him/her as a close friend. To me he/she was an authority that sees all and that (we all) I have difficulty contacting.

Wow! Youve given me a new avenue to explore and it feels right. I now feel the key to connection is to befriend and and invite. Ive also just had a Deja vu feeling writing this.

Thanks for the help here.

Macros

RedeZra · 11-24-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by macrostheblack

How many of us see God as a friend? Sure, we all call on him in times of difficulty - sadly as a last resort. I never thought of God as being a friend or mate etc - just a mysterious aspect of life. I accept that God exists but wouldnt have prayed, talked to him/her as a close friend. To me he/she was an authority that sees all and that (we all) I have difficulty contacting.

God is the nearest dearest friend - Man are brothers and sisters - Man come and go but God stay - Cultivate a Sacred Still Space - Allow time to be alone with yourself - Choose a Name and Form of God that appeals or Formless a Flame - As one imagines God so He will conform - As a Friend a Father a Child a Bridegroom a King a Master a Flame a Sphere according to the mentality of Man - Meditation is to bask in Gods Being as Truth - Devotion is to bask in Gods Being as Love - Prayer is Communion Fasting is Cleansing - a Name of God is a Lantern of Light in the night of worldliness

macrostheblack · 11-24-2008, 08:31 PM

Thank you for your words. They are inspirational.

Macros

RedeZra · 11-29-2008, 10:05 AM

Let me again stress the simple saving power of a Name of God ...especially now when some sort of worldwide disaster seems imminent

Choose a Name infused with Divinity - Repeat It -

You can quarrel discuss philosophize the validity of such a simple mental exercise ...but a Name of God is Divine Life and it attracts spiritual blessings

All religion tell this and all spiritual souls will confirm this most potent spiritual worship - Repetition of a Name of God - Think it Whisper it Shout it Often - Armor yourself with a Name of God

Dont be to egocentric independent stubborn proud and embarrassed to neglect the Loving Living Name of God - Try it and feel the potency of the Name

Haidakhan Babaji believed to be -and supposedly confirmed by himself- Mahavatar Babaji who revived the liberating science of Kriya Yoga which was Paramahansa Yogananda main meditation discipline

Haidakhan Babaji (-from wikipedia) said

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some type of great disaster was coming, though he did not say what it was or when it would come. He did say that it would be a worldwide catastrophe. In some countries he predicted a survival rate of 5% or lower, saying that the highest survival rate in any country would be 25%, while some countries would be completely destroyed. The only way to survive this was to pray to one's chosen deity or chant Om Namah Shivaya

Nama Japa, the repetition of God's Name, was a fundamental part of Haidakhan Babaji's teachings:

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Have faith! Reciting the Name of the Lord is not the first, but the last stage of spiritual practice! When lions enter the forest, the other animals run away. Likewise, all evil thoughts will vanish with the recitation of the Lord's name. Reciting the Name of the Lord will bring you the company of a good people and you will be near saints. Blessed are the few who will discard the kingdom of the world for the Lord's name. Such a devotee always resides in My heart. In the womb, you take a vow not to get attached; but as soon as you come out, you get entangled. Abandon attachment! Your mind plays tricks on you! That is why you are after pleasures! All worldly things - including the desire for liberation - are obstacles to which you are attached. If you want divine peace, leave behind ignorant karma

Also Jesus taught the importance of Remembrance of the Name of God

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I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

Have some faith some sacred words in your mouth and be baffled at the gracious grace which hurls down in acceptance of the Name and lifts It up up as sweet scents in Heaven

- if the moderators believe in the saving power of a Name of God i wish this post be taken out of this thread and made a sticky in this section so many people see it and hopefully try it -

china2012 · 11-29-2008, 03:01 PM

Great posts!

Some thing to contemplate with:

Layer 3:
...
There cannot be no person that is Self-realized.
-Nisargadatta Maharaj

> What the answer actually precedes its statement:
Mind Moon and Mirrors do not shine - they reflect the Illumination
Would it mean: It is through Men, Creation itself achieves its self-actualization? One can not miss another.

Layer 12:
...simple saving power...Name of God...

> The desire for liberating the thought from emotional baggage that attached with the idea of mass disaster and destruction might naturally accompany with the mind playing tricks in searching for its individual and collective identity ...at individual level, it might sound as a final exoneration, then swing to another collective level as a philosophical outcry of injustice ...put it plainly: for All your immitigable circumstances as conscious beings with heavy complex of habitual patterns of thought and feelings that cling to the 3D, it is subtle to comprehend 'for the needs of knowing every outcome, men should collectively fit into, in serving a Vast Now Projecting All, collectively to accept their ultimate ‘End’.

Nonetheless, as one heard it 'I separated Myself from Myself so I could Love Myself ', one might sense the storyboard itself is created for a purpose of solving conflicts between two extreme creativities- every beginning vs its end, and how one fit into it by contemplation in this way or that way:

A. That the conflicts raising from emotional baggage inherited through all life experience of 3D are not problems to be solved but rather the symptoms of existing intelligent designs that intent to ground one at his base with all his mobility. One can not be liberated if one perceives the greatest obstacle of life is to leave the life itself. The designs might score men the highest fear of all to the death of men's own life often indoctrinated with the implication of an End is All the End. If one see himself an unbound captive, one might bring himself the true of his freedom to surface is to surrender to death itself and its associated emotional baggage that chain every life into dull routines... and to accept a teaching of 'I could love myself' with beginning at attempts of contemplation the possibility of threw off the chains of slavery by one's surrender to death...say it loud “free at last, fear no more!!’

B As it is said 'Consciousness is aware as a Silent Witness in Mans mind world' , so, as long as men tangled up with It, men are reflecting Its illumination and fulfilling the Its dreams. So can we say: any destruction to men is equal to a termination of creativity of the vast consciousness itself? There cannot be paradoxical creation as one contemplate it was said 'And when His Long Day comes to an End He sleeps Absolute Unpersonal Consciousness - Then Another Morning lol' . So, the pathways that might lead to multiple Exits actually look like: temporary exoneration or Morning after a long dark night, or Both! The future is only Hope!

Be still! Centered and grounded with calm in harmony will be our simple saving power! The strength is always from within starting from understanding designs.

RedeZra · 11-30-2008, 02:02 AM

Consciousness is One Pervading Blissful Existence
Man is the crown achievement of Creative Consciousness which is God
Man must mess up big time for Creative Consciousness to uproot injustice and destroy wickedness en masse
Creative Consciousness is Godly Good Just Love Truth Beauty - Evil cannot persist and will not be tolerated for long
God Consciousness could of course annihilate the universe in a blink of the eye - Such is the Power of God

Man has the capacity to raise his awareness to higher consciousness and ultimately merge with Creative God Consciousness
Man is struggling with ego mind and worldly desires and longs for Truth Beauty and Love
Mind is lost in mergence with Consciousness for it is not needed anymore - Mind is only a mirror of Consciousness
In Reality nothing is lost and nothing new is found
In mergence One finds Himself as One really have been all along - Existence Consciousness Bliss
A state of Being which is as it is everywhere ever - even before Projection of the Universe and birth of Man

Language of Man uses terms as selfrealization and self-actualization
It means Consciousness in Man merged with God Consciousness everywhere ever
Both are the same Consciousness in the sense a Bobble is the Sea and a Spark is the Flame

Man thinks of himself as a person and philosophize from a persons point of view
It is hard to grasp the Reality of the One Consciousness Projecting It All
There is no place for Man in the Dawn of Reality - Illumination incinerates Mind

Mind is always playing tricks - like a magician it is performing the illusion of the world and make you believe you are a part of it
Transcendence of Mind is the End of the Game
Put some ceilings on your desires - Dont get dragged as a fly wherever Mind wants to go - Transform Mind to be a bee after Holy honey
Put some charity in your hands - Some Sacred words in your mouth - Some worship in your Mind

Be good be an angel like a god
Be in this world but not of this world - like the lotus which dont collect dirt in dirty waters
Be Recipients of Grace - Aim High and dont sell yourselves short
Be selfless like roses and jasmins perfuming the air
Be Worthy to be plucked by God

china2012 · 11-30-2008, 07:59 AM

Thanks RedeZra, if you and other are available, it is wished this contemplation live through like a bird expanded its wings and flew off to the vast vault of heaven…

Layer 14:
…
Man has the capacity to raise his awareness to higher consciousness and ultimately merge with Creative God Consciousness
…

Part One: some subjective thinking

Each individual as a state of being with their unique perspective that spoke an inimitable perception which transmits different reality or partial of Truth through their confined awareness and its ordinary verbal speech, is in an expansive and enduring attempt, and once come through a milestone, the desire to raise awareness to consciousness in its full capacity incrementally to formulate its intentions (felt inside as butterflies) that precipitate into practical actions (contemplate attempts for ending the separation). All in displays are direct expression of the will of expansive creation in one’s potentiality the desire to be unified with its Essence.

Here and the below in movement is founded on an idea of each mind has unique perspective and spoke within its verbal speech as partial of true. Just as one’s creativity is a vehicle carrying one to vast open sea of wisdom, there is no need to verify and validate if one’s words is worthy of reading. It is one’s intent to express life and manifest thought in thinking that counts. The grace of creativity is its communicative and generous, any prototype or template or pattern what considered worthy of imitation proceed from or taking place anywhere else but a person's integrated mind is the ‘tricks’ of causing uncertainty. One’s heightened sensitivity and receptivity direct to one’s Source is the key for inner peace. To think freely, required one to make attempts whether it is to ask a question or to proposal an idea, or both, so It can come appear to surface and to be put rest at core.

Part two: some subjective attempts:

‘Set yourself free on behalf of God’ he said. The next day the another put it into a response: surrender yourself to faith not to death.

Now, We collectively think how to explore into consciousness with its full capacity? Will it be a myth, a possibility, probability or freewill in resolve?

Attempts:
> At freewill level: Accept God creation, God faith, 3D holographic reality and its intelligent designs as new concepts birth into green thought so the eyes can see the world beyond and not to be confined by ‘but, but, but’. Including acceptance of the transient physical death vs perpetual live as the ultimate true. [to live life with faith. the biggest risk of all is not to take any risk.]

> Transcend 3D emotional charges: to shed off legacy, meditation is rooted in longitudinal understanding of emotional conflicts. Every uneasy feeling connects to a root, for instance, feeling sadness when contemplate looming global disaster. The root? It is possible for one’s unwitting belief ‘the highest fear of all is the death of men's own life’, kind of separating the ultimate reality to one’s wishful thinking. All lives on 3D plane are mortal in decades, in years, in days, in this moment! Conflicts cannot make itself disappeared until it is analyzed, stimulated and clarified by one’s own language. Or simply let it flow through you while firmly holding your version of a desirable outcome to be a love-spending star of bliss consciousness. Your bless to all lives for its eternity! [To live life centered at Now awareness]

> Transcend the flat, homogenized view of the universe into understanding the cosmic true of our physical and spiritual universe with its parameters and orders. [To live life in pursue of knowledge and creative thinking and to appreciate its beauty. Life is beauty itself, you are the beauty]

> Transcend wordy true of phenomenal ‘facts’, conspiracy ‘theories’, unclarified declarations. So your thought can be able to function fluidly, and your intent can manifest your desired outcome, and your integrated mind in its terse and vigorous style will be able bring It out to the surface, to the point, to your priority, to your true love to humanity.

> For those scatters are climbing on mountains, sailing over oceans, or soaring over to fountains of highlands, don’t have a home that stops them with magic hedge...They renounce any existence as weight and to be healed on hope’s enduring consummation... Their patience will manifest a new Home that never decay... and put an end to the separation...there come, begin their imagination.

… more to add, it is your creative thinking that never end…

Ashatav · 11-30-2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macrostheblack

You have opened my eyes and showed me an answer. How many of us see God as a friend? Sure, we all call on him in times of difficulty - sadly as a last resort. I never thought of God as being a friend or mate etc - just a mysterious aspect of life. I accept that God exists but wouldnt have prayed, talked to him/her as a close friend. To me he/she was an authority that sees all and that (we all) I have difficulty contacting.

Wow! Youve given me a new avenue to explore and it feels right. I now feel the key to connection is to befriend and and invite. Ive also just had a Deja vu feeling writing this.

Thanks for the help here.

Macros

Yeah, it happens to me to!

Cheeeeers

RedeZra · 12-01-2008, 11:12 AM

Moment Man frozen in Moment upon Moment Motion Mirage
Pause complement Pause in Circle of Continuance
Story unfold frame stuck Hero by a turn of the page

Did Man become God
Did apple seed become apple tree
Did larva become butterfly

I do not go It will come to me

MyShadow · 12-01-2008, 04:33 PM

So many questions - so many thoughts and ideas about this expressed - have been pondered in consciouness for eons. And still there is no definitive answer - other than whatever an individualized consciouness holds in it's belief is it's truth.

I find it interesting that the beliefs are constantly expanding based on the prevailing thoughts of the age. Thus consciouness creates our reality on this topic.

I also find it interesting that we continue to "point" to consciouness as the single divine element of creation - consciouness and experientiality are the drivers and purpose of our material existence? Perhaps. But what if it is something else? I don't know what that may be, but I always stay open should those answers come. Feels to me sometimes like we just "write the story" in our minds to satisfy our expanding quest.

Just some thoughts.

11-24-2008, 08:31 PM	#3
macrostheblack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 386	Re: Consepts of God Thank you for your words. They are inspirational. Macros Last edited by macrostheblack; 11-24-2008 at 09:34 PM.

11-29-2008, 03:01 PM	#5
china2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 80	Re: Consepts of God Great posts! Some thing to contemplate with: Layer 3: ... There cannot be no person that is Self-realized. -Nisargadatta Maharaj > What the answer actually precedes its statement: Mind Moon and Mirrors do not shine - they reflect the Illumination Would it mean: It is through Men, Creation itself achieves its self-actualization? One can not miss another. Layer 12: ...simple saving power...Name of God... > The desire for liberating the thought from emotional baggage that attached with the idea of mass disaster and destruction might naturally accompany with the mind playing tricks in searching for its individual and collective identity ...at individual level, it might sound as a final exoneration, then swing to another collective level as a philosophical outcry of injustice ...put it plainly: for All your immitigable circumstances as conscious beings with heavy complex of habitual patterns of thought and feelings that cling to the 3D, it is subtle to comprehend 'for the needs of knowing every outcome, men should collectively fit into, in serving a Vast Now Projecting All, collectively to accept their ultimate ‘End’. Nonetheless, as one heard it 'I separated Myself from Myself so I could Love Myself ', one might sense the storyboard itself is created for a purpose of solving conflicts between two extreme creativities- every beginning vs its end, and how one fit into it by contemplation in this way or that way: A. That the conflicts raising from emotional baggage inherited through all life experience of 3D are not problems to be solved but rather the symptoms of existing intelligent designs that intent to ground one at his base with all his mobility. One can not be liberated if one perceives the greatest obstacle of life is to leave the life itself. The designs might score men the highest fear of all to the death of men's own life often indoctrinated with the implication of an End is All the End. If one see himself an unbound captive, one might bring himself the true of his freedom to surface is to surrender to death itself and its associated emotional baggage that chain every life into dull routines... and to accept a teaching of 'I could love myself' with beginning at attempts of contemplation the possibility of threw off the chains of slavery by one's surrender to death...say it loud “free at last, fear no more!!’ B As it is said 'Consciousness is aware as a Silent Witness in Mans mind world' , so, as long as men tangled up with It, men are reflecting Its illumination and fulfilling the Its dreams. So can we say: any destruction to men is equal to a termination of creativity of the vast consciousness itself? There cannot be paradoxical creation as one contemplate it was said 'And when His Long Day comes to an End He sleeps Absolute Unpersonal Consciousness - Then Another Morning lol' . So, the pathways that might lead to multiple Exits actually look like: temporary exoneration or Morning after a long dark night, or Both! The future is only Hope! Be still! Centered and grounded with calm in harmony will be our simple saving power! The strength is always from within starting from understanding designs. Last edited by china2012; 11-29-2008 at 03:40 PM.

11-30-2008, 02:02 AM	#6
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Consepts of God Consciousness is One Pervading Blissful Existence Man is the crown achievement of Creative Consciousness which is God Man must mess up big time for Creative Consciousness to uproot injustice and destroy wickedness en masse Creative Consciousness is Godly Good Just Love Truth Beauty - Evil cannot persist and will not be tolerated for long God Consciousness could of course annihilate the universe in a blink of the eye - Such is the Power of God Man has the capacity to raise his awareness to higher consciousness and ultimately merge with Creative God Consciousness Man is struggling with ego mind and worldly desires and longs for Truth Beauty and Love Mind is lost in mergence with Consciousness for it is not needed anymore - Mind is only a mirror of Consciousness In Reality nothing is lost and nothing new is found In mergence One finds Himself as One really have been all along - Existence Consciousness Bliss A state of Being which is as it is everywhere ever - even before Projection of the Universe and birth of Man Language of Man uses terms as selfrealization and self-actualization It means Consciousness in Man merged with God Consciousness everywhere ever Both are the same Consciousness in the sense a Bobble is the Sea and a Spark is the Flame Man thinks of himself as a person and philosophize from a persons point of view It is hard to grasp the Reality of the One Consciousness Projecting It All There is no place for Man in the Dawn of Reality - Illumination incinerates Mind Mind is always playing tricks - like a magician it is performing the illusion of the world and make you believe you are a part of it Transcendence of Mind is the End of the Game Put some ceilings on your desires - Dont get dragged as a fly wherever Mind wants to go - Transform Mind to be a bee after Holy honey Put some charity in your hands - Some Sacred words in your mouth - Some worship in your Mind Be good be an angel like a god Be in this world but not of this world - like the lotus which dont collect dirt in dirty waters Be Recipients of Grace - Aim High and dont sell yourselves short Be selfless like roses and jasmins perfuming the air Be Worthy to be plucked by God

11-30-2008, 07:59 AM	#7
china2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 80	Re: Consepts of God Thanks RedeZra, if you and other are available, it is wished this contemplation live through like a bird expanded its wings and flew off to the vast vault of heaven… Layer 14: … Man has the capacity to raise his awareness to higher consciousness and ultimately merge with Creative God Consciousness … Part One: some subjective thinking Each individual as a state of being with their unique perspective that spoke an inimitable perception which transmits different reality or partial of Truth through their confined awareness and its ordinary verbal speech, is in an expansive and enduring attempt, and once come through a milestone, the desire to raise awareness to consciousness in its full capacity incrementally to formulate its intentions (felt inside as butterflies) that precipitate into practical actions (contemplate attempts for ending the separation). All in displays are direct expression of the will of expansive creation in one’s potentiality the desire to be unified with its Essence. Here and the below in movement is founded on an idea of each mind has unique perspective and spoke within its verbal speech as partial of true. Just as one’s creativity is a vehicle carrying one to vast open sea of wisdom, there is no need to verify and validate if one’s words is worthy of reading. It is one’s intent to express life and manifest thought in thinking that counts. The grace of creativity is its communicative and generous, any prototype or template or pattern what considered worthy of imitation proceed from or taking place anywhere else but a person's integrated mind is the ‘tricks’ of causing uncertainty. One’s heightened sensitivity and receptivity direct to one’s Source is the key for inner peace. To think freely, required one to make attempts whether it is to ask a question or to proposal an idea, or both, so It can come appear to surface and to be put rest at core. Part two: some subjective attempts: ‘Set yourself free on behalf of God’ he said. The next day the another put it into a response: surrender yourself to faith not to death. Now, We collectively think how to explore into consciousness with its full capacity? Will it be a myth, a possibility, probability or freewill in resolve? Attempts: > At freewill level: Accept God creation, God faith, 3D holographic reality and its intelligent designs as new concepts birth into green thought so the eyes can see the world beyond and not to be confined by ‘but, but, but’. Including acceptance of the transient physical death vs perpetual live as the ultimate true. [to live life with faith. the biggest risk of all is not to take any risk.] > Transcend 3D emotional charges: to shed off legacy, meditation is rooted in longitudinal understanding of emotional conflicts. Every uneasy feeling connects to a root, for instance, feeling sadness when contemplate looming global disaster. The root? It is possible for one’s unwitting belief ‘the highest fear of all is the death of men's own life’, kind of separating the ultimate reality to one’s wishful thinking. All lives on 3D plane are mortal in decades, in years, in days, in this moment! Conflicts cannot make itself disappeared until it is analyzed, stimulated and clarified by one’s own language. Or simply let it flow through you while firmly holding your version of a desirable outcome to be a love-spending star of bliss consciousness. Your bless to all lives for its eternity! [To live life centered at Now awareness] > Transcend the flat, homogenized view of the universe into understanding the cosmic true of our physical and spiritual universe with its parameters and orders. [To live life in pursue of knowledge and creative thinking and to appreciate its beauty. Life is beauty itself, you are the beauty] > Transcend wordy true of phenomenal ‘facts’, conspiracy ‘theories’, unclarified declarations. So your thought can be able to function fluidly, and your intent can manifest your desired outcome, and your integrated mind in its terse and vigorous style will be able bring It out to the surface, to the point, to your priority, to your true love to humanity. > For those scatters are climbing on mountains, sailing over oceans, or soaring over to fountains of highlands, don’t have a home that stops them with magic hedge...They renounce any existence as weight and to be healed on hope’s enduring consummation... Their patience will manifest a new Home that never decay... and put an end to the separation...there come, begin their imagination. … more to add, it is your creative thinking that never end… Last edited by china2012; 11-30-2008 at 08:07 AM.

12-01-2008, 11:12 AM	#9
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: Consepts of God Moment Man frozen in Moment upon Moment Motion Mirage Pause complement Pause in Circle of Continuance Story unfold frame stuck Hero by a turn of the page Did Man become God Did apple seed become apple tree Did larva become butterfly I do not go It will come to me

12-01-2008, 04:33 PM	#10
MyShadow Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 144	Re: Consepts of God So many questions - so many thoughts and ideas about this expressed - have been pondered in consciouness for eons. And still there is no definitive answer - other than whatever an individualized consciouness holds in it's belief is it's truth. I find it interesting that the beliefs are constantly expanding based on the prevailing thoughts of the age. Thus consciouness creates our reality on this topic. I also find it interesting that we continue to "point" to consciouness as the single divine element of creation - consciouness and experientiality are the drivers and purpose of our material existence? Perhaps. But what if it is something else? I don't know what that may be, but I always stay open should those answers come. Feels to me sometimes like we just "write the story" in our minds to satisfy our expanding quest. Just some thoughts.