Disappearing threads?

Originally Posted by Tuza

As I said on the missing thread yesterday I would still like to see what Waterman posted and was pulled - information that we needed to know - where is it.

One of the posts that caught my eye!

Am I to believe that the PTB are hacking into the forum and pulling posts about information we not allowed to know - is that it.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by SplatPantZ

One of the posts that caught my eye!

Hi Splat... don't understand this, can you elaborate please? It sounds as if you're referring to a post that caught your eye which you are reproducing here (but it isn't there!) or your talking about Tuza's post which is referring to a post not being there.

If you have posted something of which the text is subsequently removed, that just makes everything even more interesting ! lol

Anyone here remember "Confused ? You will be...after this week's episode of soap"?

I agree with Zorgon. Any thread that begins with 'all is not what it seems' (especially by a moderator, who should kind of know something about what goes on at avalon) will remain a building mystery until some information is forthcoming about the original thread. If only to say... 'it was about a personal matter which was removed for reasons of privacy'...etc

peace n interested

K

In Simon's disappeared thread, Waterman commented on some information that all members needed to see that he posted and it disappeared. I got the feeling that it was important that all members viewed it, but as soon as he posted it, it disappeared. Why, I would like to know, where is he anyway, Waterman are you out there.

Waterman also quoted in that post for 'someone' to keep their head down but I forgot who he mentioned now.

[raulduke]

I think we're all a little to quick to jump on something that looks fishy (and to me, this looks pretty fishy), as of course we are all a bunch of conspiracy nuts here.

It's a good thing to be vigilant but, we're displaying the epitome of paranoia here (myself include, as I posted a couple of responses in Simon's mystery thread). I don't think it's necessarily completelty our faults either.

As I said in Simon's now locked thread, I feel like this is all probably the result of something mundane, like some personal beef.

However, imho, I feel that the way it has been dealt w/ is only causing further confusion which leads to paranoia which lead to assumptions which, you know what.

As long as this remains a mystery, the only result will be more confusion/paranoia.

Originally Posted by Bleep!

Too much "moderation". (IMO)

Getting dizzy and seasick.

New strategy requested.

New strategy?

How about this for a new strategy?

Tell everyone here who you really are...

[sunny D]

blahblahblah....I am going to read something that makes me smarter...Namaste

[Argante]

The "Simon" thread was removed because it had served it's purpose, and members were totally misunderstanding it's meaning as some cryptic message of doom.

It was Simon's way of saying goodbye to the members. Before he resigned he hard deleted all his posts. By accident one whole thread he had authored was also deleted. I know he feels very bad about that thread being deleted. I also asked him if he wanted his thread reposted. He felt it had served it purpose also.

Now we have this thread with more claims of us trying to hide something. This was, and is, a personal issue involving a Moderator who I consider a dear friend. Simon is much loved, and his leaving is painful for us.

We are not hiding or keeping things from our members, we are just dealing with a personal internal matter as best we can.

Sorry if this has upset some of you. And to those members who are using this in an attempt to capitalize on their own agenda of disrupting Avalon... shame on you.

Mary Lou

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

The "Simon" thread was removed because it had served it's purpose, and members were totally misunderstanding it's meaning as some cryptic message of doom.

So how were we to understand "Not all is as it seems at Avalon?"
as a:

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

It was Simon's way of saying goodbye to the members.

Oh, but he seemed pretty p*ss@d to :

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

Before he resigned he hard deleted all his posts.

And I know that feeling, since I have done it myself at the Religious Forum, when they started editing my posts and deleting them.

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

Now we have this thread with more claims of us trying to hide something. This was, and is, a personal issue involving a Moderator who I consider a dear friend. Simon is much loved, and his leaving is painful for us.

So why did he leave, and why with this cryptic goodbye message?

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

We are not hiding or keeping things from our members, we are just dealing with a personal internal matter as best we can.

THAT sounds like a company having to lawyer their way out of a situation a whisle blower got them into, and forgetting that the whistle blower is a "reaction" to some other company "action"..

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

Sorry if this has upset some of you. And to those members who are using this in an attempt to capitalize on their own agenda of disrupting Avalon... shame on you.

Mary Lou

THAT duck won't fly, putting guilt in inquiring minds is so yestermillenium/Bush Admin..
More info is needed/requested.

In case ANYone has noticed I have not posted either way on Simon's thread. Simon is well loved here and a good friend.
He always will be.

I did not post because I did not see the need too.
However, I will say this and say it only ONCE.
I will not argue the point.

What Mary Lou is saying is dead on. She never has or never will deceive anyone here.
For people that know me or have taken the time to try to get to know how I 'work' then they have learned that I do not mislead or deceive anyone here either.
There is NO Profit in that. I believe in three things mostly.
That is: Edify...Edify...Edify!

So with all that then I hope this lays this to rest.
Oh I am sure there will be 'someone' that will cry foul.
I do not care. I, Mary Lou, and other Staff here KNOW what is going on here and these 'someones' do not.
No matter what their 'name' is or what they 'think' they know....

[warngen]

Originally Posted by zorgon

New strategy?

How about this for a new strategy?

Tell everyone here who you really are...

I agree.

[Steve_A]

Hi Zorgon,

I am Stephen John Richard Allen, or am I?

I live in a town near to Recife in Brazil, or do I?

I am a music producer and consultant in my real life, or am I?

I go to my small farm every weekend to chill out, or do I?

What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter if we say who we really are, where we are, what we do etc. because it is up to the reader to beleive or not what is being keystroked.

Some people, like me are not afraid, or even bothered to be quite honest, if people know who they are. Others, on the other hand could be in a situation that they can't say who they are, or just prefer not to say (after all, what will the neighbours say?).

I think we just need to accept that people are who they say they are and leave it at that. Those that choose to 'reveal' their true ID can, those that prefer not to, don't have to. The important thing is that the information and ideas being swapped are interesting and important to us all.

As for others who are fearing a some sort of conspiracy here in the forum, you can all calm down. No conspiracy here.

But as I stated in a previous post, all of us are tracked were we go on the internet anyway, it has almost always been like that. Check out your 'cookie' folder and your 'temporary internet files' folder on your computer. And that's not to mention the whole host of spyware, keyloggers, trojans, the list is endless.....

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by zorgon

New strategy?

How about this for a new strategy?

Tell everyone here who you really are...

[TranceAm]

I have a quote, I live by:

Life is a never ending quest finding out what is true and what not.
Every human has to answer to every claim: "Prove it"
to be able to verify the proof in order to validate the claim.
Unless that process is followed, every claim is nothing more then an attempt to gain
followers.

I know a quote I trust: "Question Authority - Descartes".

I know Jack Nickelson’s infamous line “You want the truth, you cannot handle the truth”

Edit WIth all respect due to the hard work of the Moderators.:

Simons thread has been taken off for a 'review' under request of Bill.

The "Simon" thread was removed because it had served it's purpose

I, Mary Lou, and other Staff here KNOW what is going on here and these 'someones' do not.

Most of the time the worst that happens is the thread gets moved. Not deleted.

[warngen]

Bleep maybe on a little....
High Definition

[Anchor]

TranceAm: I suppose, that you see these statements as inconsistent? They are not.

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[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Anchor

TranceAm: I suppose, that you see these statements as inconsistent? They are not.

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Nono Anchor (And other mods.), There is a line of continuity where these statements are consistent. (Hierarchy of information streams for example.)
That is not the/my problem.

The problem is that the Why as motivation for all what happened in these last couple of days by all that were participating by actions and postings/reply's isn't revealed.
Now I can see a scenario where Simon is smirking in the basement about what havoc he has created among the people that trusted/love/respected him.
But I can't see in that scenario that the mods have no better answer or strategy then dropping the hot potato as fast as possible by deleting the thread, and giving him or his claim (Not all is as it appears at Avalon.) a shadow of doubt by the actions as seen.
The only other offered alternative is faith like in a religion with guilt for being a probable trouble maker if you keep questioning until you reach the bottom .The Latter with a reasonable appearing punishment of a ban (Trouble Maker!) from logging in, that would appear to the reader as a voluntary stop of posting and visiting of Avalon..

As analog: A Government would claim that I am not Patriotic and thus one of "them", to have me disapear in Nacht und Nebel.

[Anchor]

@TranceAm: Ah good.

Well I hope Bill's post here clears some of that up for you

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...13&postcount=9

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[Anchor]

Does anyone mind if I close this thread ?

[Norval]

Not at all, we all are used to that, , , ,

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Norval

Not at all, we all are used to that, , , ,

Ha ha, but I said close - that doesn't happen too much

But we now have two threads on the same subject.

Go here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6504

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[Proletariat]

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Ha ha, but I said close - that doesn't happen too much

But we now have two threads on the same subject.

Go here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6504

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AH, You beat me to the punch line..

Bill Ryans Post explains a lot..

You can close this one.. No hard feelings I hope.

Dear Friend:

Many thanks for your message. We're just looking into what happened here with that thread. Simon deleted it when he resigned as a moderator. As the originator of the thread, he's technically able to do that.

Unfortunately, he took away other people's replies as well.

It is crystal clear to me that this is unethical and irresponsible. Simon threw a tantrum. His action was immature. We do NOT know what specifically triggered this.

One does NOT delete other people's words and thoughts and feelings just because one has a personal issue in a different area (as Simon did, because he disagreed with the style of moderation that Kerry and I wanted to see: less thoughtless policing and more intelligent dialog with members, even if that was a hassle and took more time).

But while that was the general issue troubling him, Simon was suddenly greatly angered by someone or something and we do not know what it is. He is not telling.

We sympathize with anyone under stress, and who is upset, but we all have our responsibility and he will not be returning here to this forum as a moderator.

I am very sorry that this has happened. I personally apologize to all members. I do not know if the threads can be restored.

There is no malice here... just dumb human weakness. None of us are immune. The test of all of us is to respond with dignity, intelligence and responsibility even when irritated and angered (as I am now).

I ask all members to do that when they post. It's sometimes easy to be spiteful. It's sometimes hard to be honest. (And honesty begins with what's going on with each of us personally... not the other guy.)

Having said all this, I support Kate's comments above. The Original Poster made a range of general accusations which are unhelpful in the assumptions that were made. A PM would have been more appropriate. Spreading drama is not helpful. It is (by definition) off-topic.

To summarize: none of the moderators are bad people. Some of them have been under a lot of pressure. They have been working incredibly hard. I am extremely grateful for the work they have all done. It's very easy to criticize when one is not doing their work. But all of us, myself included, always need to reach inside us to find our best, especially in these times.

Very best wishes, Bill

[Anchor]

@Proletariat:

Ok, this thread is closing now, please go here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6504

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