Fear Mongering. Get off it.

[greybeard]

Hope we do get a myriad of viewpoints that helps greatly as then I have a choice of how I deal with knee jerking situations.
There is no i deal ideal way.
Eventually I got to the place that the only way to deal with a certain situation was to ask for Divine intervention to help me, in a fear filled situation. I got the help.
With Love
C

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hope we do get a myriad of viewpoints that helps greatly as then I have a choice of how I deal with knee jerking situations.

With Love
C

you do know, no matter how many times a doctor taps your knee with a hammer, will still cause a reflex reaction...

you can try to control it and pretend it isn't there but that little rubber hammer pierces through the illusion and your leg bounces again...

now if you inject yourself with enough Novocaine to numb your senses so there is no feeling...

it might not move...

you step on that wet rope again 2 weeks after you convinced yourself it isn't anything to be afraid of in the dark and you will jump again...

heart pounding, adrenalin rushing, followed by a laugh and dang it...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

you do know, no matter how many times a doctor taps your knee with a hammer, will still cause a reflex reaction...

you can try to control it and pretend it isn't there but that little rubber hammer pierces through the illusion and your leg bounces again...

now if you inject yourself with enough Novocaine to numb your senses so there is no feeling...

it might not move...

you step on that wet rope again 2 weeks after you convinced yourself it isn't anything to be afraid of in the dark and you will jump again...

heart pounding, adrenalin rushing, followed by a laugh and dang it...

Hi Rocky
My favourite author Dr David Hawkins says when there is a state of enlightenment that reflex is no longer present.
The same one out walking stumbled upon a rattler, there was an awareness of danger but he said the presence of love handled the situation. He and the rattler looked at each other and the rope I mean snake slid away.
However Im not in that state so I might be real glad of a little adrenalin if the wet rope turns out to be a snake.
30 years ago I rescued someone from a fire. I was drunk at the time though. Saw smoke poring out underneath a flat door opened it, wrong thing to do, lets oxygen in. Anyway I stumbled on someone lying on the floor and pulled him out. It was so black you couldn't see an inch in front, all respect to firemen. I was too out of it to be scared. In the morning I couldent believe what I had done. Sobriety arrived in my life soon after.

Ch

[Rocky_Shorz]

not long ago, I went for a walk down to the beach it was high tide so I entered through a different path I normally take and as usual was barefoot as I stepped through the rocks to work my way down to the sand.

as I was standing on a rock looking for my next step I felt something wet brush my ankle looking down I saw it was the tongue of a snake...

I recognized it as a rattler immediately but felt no fear and didn't jump to get from it's reach because I would have been hurt worse landing wrong on the boulders below me.

maybe I didn't taste right so he didn't bite but I thought he was just saying hi as I was passing.

It was coiled but it's rattle wasn't shaking so not disturbed at my presence.

If I was afraid would it have recognized it and struck me knowing my adrenaline was peaking ready to defend myself?

[Rocky_Shorz]

a friend was with me on the walk and the moment I saw the snake my first thought went to her safety, I reached behind me taking her hand to direct her to a different path...

I have been tested many times that is just one I remember because it was so recent.

I was down at the beach one day with my sisters and all of their families, and my kids were grabbing my hand pulling me to head out and play in the waves but I had a feeling and told them to wait for a bit.

Suddenly my hair was standing I knew something was wrong so I jumped to my feet and looked around and then I saw it. A small toddler was climbing under a bridge the sand was pushed up so it was blocking the flow of water forming a small pool beneath.

I sprinted across the beach not even remembering my feet touching the sand as I watched him tip forward head first into the water his arms too short to push himself free.

There was barely enough room for me so I dove in head first under the bridge catching a foot and pulling him back so his head was clear of the water.

It took a little for me to wiggle back out from under the bridge, but I was right behind the life guard towers and they hadn't even noticed the commotion. I picked up the small child and walked back over to where my family was having a picnic and set him down on the blanket to join us.

15 minutes later the frantic parents came running up the beach calling out for their child...

They only spoke Spanish so my sisters translated what had happened...

It was close, but what we are here for...

[HORIZONS]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

a friend was with me on the walk and the moment I saw the snake my first thought went to her safety, I reached behind me taking her hand to direct her to a different path...

I have been tested many times that is just one I remember because it was so recent.

I was down at the beach one day with my sisters and all of their families, and my kids were grabbing my hand pulling me to head out and play in the waves but I had a feeling and told them to wait for a bit.

Suddenly my hair was standing I knew something was wrong so I jumped to my feet and looked around and then I saw it. A small toddler was climbing under a bridge the sand was pushed up so it was blocking the flow of water forming a small pool beneath.

I sprinted across the beach not even remembering my feet touching the sand as I watched him tip forward head first into the water his arms too short to push himself free.

There was barely enough room for me so I dove in head first under the bridge catching a foot and pulling him back so his head was clear of the water.

It took a little for me to wiggle back out from under the bridge, but I was right behind the life guard towers and they hadn't even noticed the commotion. I picked up the small child and walked back over to where my family was having a picnic and set him down on the blanket to join us.

15 minutes later the frantic parents came running up the beach calling out for their child...

They only spoke Spanish so my sisters translated what had happened...

It was close, but what we are here for...

Good posts!

[wynderer]

it's interesting [to me] that you mentioned David Hawkins & 'Power vs Force, Greybeard -- i have a quote from that book in my email personal signature:

'There is no anti-depressant that will cure a depression that's spiritually based, for the malaise doesn't originate from brain dysfunction, but from an accurate response to the desecration of life.'

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by wynderer

it's interesting [to me] that you mentioned David Hawkins & 'Power vs Force, Greybeard -- i have a quote from that book in my email personal signature:

'There is no anti-depressant that will cure a depression that's spiritually based, for the malaise doesn't originate from brain dysfunction, but from an accurate response to the desecration of life.'

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Hi Wynderer.
Did you get a lot from the book?
Most of the posts on "The ego what is it? how to transcend" thread which I contributed were influenced by reading Dr Hawkins.

I went to America to a talk he gave at Longbeach, he shook my hand and with out me realizing it, a long entrenched fear of heights was removed. I was later dared to go up in the ferris wheel outside the hotel and only after did I realize there was no fear.
Before this I had difficulty standing on a kitchen chair with out breaking out in a cold sweat.
I have read most of his books and got some videos of the Torrent "Pirate Bay"
Ive seen short clips of Hawkins on u tube but they are so out of context to be ridiculous.

Gloria in Excelsis Deo is what he begins and ends talks with.
Glory to God in the Highest is what it means.

Chris Namaste

[wynderer]

Hi Chris -- i did not read the book -- i found the quote somewhere on the net -- i was in one of my periodic fits of great despair over what is being done to Mother Earth & the Animals, & it 'spoke to my condition,' as Quakers say

do you think that the healing came thru Dr Hawkins' touch? or was it because you had been/were in that exhilarating state of consciousness of hearing/grokking great truths presented as abstract thoughts? augmented by being w/others experiencing the same/being in that same dimension at Dr Hawkins' talk?

this might more properly belong in your transcending the ego thread -- in my rather feverish spiritual searching in my 20s & early 30s i came across this concept of transcending the ego -- this is a Buddhist teaching i think -- a path that has one of if not the most sophisticated & profound psychological understandings of the human mind , imo

but this is not my path -- to me, 'ego' is 'I am' -- the 'I am' who is looking out thru these eyes , typing this to send to another 'I am' , you, looking out thru your eyes as you read this

i think individualized consciousness is the greatest gift the Creator has endowed us with [tho at times it can feel like a curse] [smile]

w/ the ego, i see it as a case of it ain't what you got, it's what you do with what you got that counts

Peace & Freedom, wynderer/Kathleen

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by wynderer

Hi Chris -- i did not read the book -- i found the quote somewhere on the net -- i was in one of my periodic fits of great despair over what is being done to Mother Earth & the Animals, & it 'spoke to my condition,' as Quakers say

do you think that the healing came thru Dr Hawkins' touch? or was it because you had been/were in that exhilarating state of consciousness of hearing/grokking great truths presented as abstract thoughts? augmented by being w/others experiencing the same/being in that same dimension at Dr Hawkins' talk?

this might more properly belong in your transcending the ego thread -- in my rather feverish spiritual searching in my 20s & early 30s i came across this concept of transcending the ego -- this is a Buddhist teaching i think -- a path that has one of if not the most sophisticated & profound psychological understandings of the human mind , imo

but this is not my path -- to me, 'ego' is 'I am' -- the 'I am' who is looking out thru these eyes , typing this to send to another 'I am' , you, looking out thru your eyes as you read this

i think individualized consciousness is the greatest gift the Creator has endowed us with [tho at times it can feel like a curse] [smile]

w/ the ego, i see it as a case of it ain't what you got, it's what you do with what you got that counts

Peace & Freedom, wynderer/Kathleen

Its a good question Kathleen.
First I have witnessed quite a few "healings" through using various forms of energy work.
I believe that the presence of the "healer" awakens something within the "client" and the healing is then self promoted t some level beyond awareness. Karma may come into it-- who knows.

All I can say was that I wasn't in an excited state to meet Dr Hawkins, I put no head above or below my own.
There are many definitions of ego. Persona for example is different, so is self esteem.
In the spiritual understanding. Ego is an illusion a belief in the story in the head that me is the cause of everything in isolation from others, only the me is considered to be of any relevance. others thoughts and opinions matter not at all. Ego is allways right.
You are right the same self that you have I have and it is individualized. When ego is transcended, you are free to be yourself, but there are many levels of self going all the way up to God.
Hope this helps
Chris

[wynderer]

Hi Chris -- thanks for your clarification thoughts re your healing

tho i respect Buddhism, the -- impersonality? -- of the teachings does not 'speak to my condition' -- the end of my searching was/is surrendering to/accepting the protection & care of Jesus the Living Christ[& all who serve Him], due to some very powerful personal experiences

i was in spitirual agony one time over Jesus as the Living Christ saying that 'no man comes to the Father [Creator] except thru me' -- for my own reasons i see this as the truth -- but i just could not get my mind around one of my Jewish or Buddhist or Pantheist friends going to hell when they die because they didn't say 'Jesus is Lord' --

finally i was given/heard an answer that 'spoke to my condition' : 'Where Love Is, there I Am' -- i was in the Presence of that Love as i heard this

George Ritchie [sp?] wrote a book about his NDE during WWII when he died from the flu that went around the world then [it killed a lot of people] -- Jesus met him when he left his body, & showed/taught him many things [including the nuclear reactor being built then] --when he came back, he was in despair, after having been in the presence of such great Love -- the world a cold & dark place

after he recuperated, he was shipped to Europe & was one of the USA soldiers who liberated one of the concentration camps, i think Auschwitz -- he met a man there, a Jew, who had survived 5 yrs of being in the camps --in his eyes George R at last saw/was in the presence of the same Love as when he was w/Jesus -- they talked, & George R learned that this man had been forced to watch as his baby's brains were dashed out on a wall & his wife & older children were shot to death

he said that at that moment, he knew he had the choice to either Love, or hate, & he chose Love -- he learned how to draw energy from the air by breathing consciously & spent his years in the hells of different camps helping others

i read this book yrs ago, & this man, the thought of him, has always been an inspiration & a source of encouragement for me

i kind of got off track there -- it's like, if i spend mental time thinking about transcending my ego, that's less time to try to focus on/attune to Love, Highest Consciousness, the Creator thru the Living Christ, our HP --Higher Power, as we say in AA -- & i have a hard enough time doing that as it is, especially lately w/the heavy emf/HAARP attacks going on here in the USA & likely worldwide

Peace & Freedom, Kathleen

[greybeard]

Hi Kathleen
Thanks for sharing. Yes we have wake up moments that change everything.
Thing you would enjoy Dr Hawkins "Power vs Force" In one of his books he states that Jesus was unique in that He did not have a previous life time. He came here specifically to be our Saviour.

One of the reasons i started this thread is because people get distracted by theories on Harp etc.
I wrote in another thread that earthquaqes etc were going on long before humans were on the planet. They are part of a natural cycle and it seems to be a fact that they are requalted by what is happening on the Sun.

One of my favorite statements of all time was made by Beren on this forum.
LOVE LOVE AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Fear and love cannot co-exist.
Thats it, no more to be said really.

Chris

[Kulapops]

Nice thread Chris... I agree...

But is it 'Get off it', or 'Get off of it?'

To avoid any confusion, I say...

Get Over it !



K

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i agree with the fear aspect of information being constantly drummed into people. i feel like somehow ive gone through some dark night of the soul, like a masonic initiation ritual of some type. or like luke on degobah in star wars.

it involves moving away from the reaction phase to the creation phase i think. as someone noted here about the rubber hammer and the knee, i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

Exactly Pineal !

I quite agree with you.

- Or maybe his batteries ran out ?? Bad timing...

Either way, my view is we'll never really know, the universe is far too eloquent for us to understand.

But like those punching knock over skittle (ten-pin) -things. Perhaps the less effort we expend in knocking things about, the less there is to do...

[wynderer]

what's coming into my mind reading some of the above posts is something Pericles said: 'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'

also, the Ghost Dances did not stop the bullets

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by wynderer

'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'

Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you.

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you.

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

Yes my friend so many distractions.
A story well known.
A minister was preparing the Sunday sermon, son was looking for attention "Daddy Daddy come play with me!" The Reverand found a map of the world in a handy magazine and tore it in to pieces saying "Son when you have put the map together I will play with you heres the sellotape" Very soon the boy was back with the map reassembled. Dad was amazed. "How did you do that so quickly son?"
"Easy Dad, there was a picture of a man on the back and when I got the man right the world came right"

In simplicity if we sort ourselves our world come right.

Thanks to all who contribute to this thread, there have some great posts.
Ch

[lisa]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Did you get a lot from the book?

Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.

Just sharing, just sharing Honey.
I found DH helpful. Eckhart Tolle The Course in Miracles. The Bhagavad Gita. I am That.
Ramana, Ramesh Balsekar. Wayne Dyer. The list is endless.
All these books and writers have sold in the millions. They dont need me to sell one.

Im happy for you to quote who ever you like.
I just put the authors name down as a mark of respect and the quotes are relevant to the topic of the thread.
No head above mine.

With respect to you. Lisa.

[Swanny]

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Swanny

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

Yeah
I get bored too with Satus Quo.
Its all about evolution.
Im up for change.
Thanks for appearing here Swanny.
Chris

[Swanny]

It's a pleasure I like what you say