ET intervention and the loss of human freedom

[Carol]

There are many different types of aliens all with different agendas. So who is to know what they all want?

The bottom line is that we have to learn how to save ourselves. It's like learning how to ride a bicycle. We are still failing down and haven't figured out how to balance yet. Once we have that under our belt then we can figure out what direction we are moving toward. Meanwhile, the shadow government runs the world and that truly sucks.

[Jack]

Most species that have reached such a stage in their civilisation that they can accomplish intersteller space will most likely also be highly evolved in other areas such as spirituality. They will know what they are, just like we are starting to realise right now. And any being aware of its true spiritual essence, and who is aware of the purpose of this dimension will know better then to be inflicting negativity on others as the karmic reprocussions would be all to evident.

Any creature who has mastered the art of interstellar travel will most likely have also mastered the art of self, the art of being, the art of balance.


IF theres anything to be "looking out for" (it "looking out" through the eyes of fear is the route you wish to take) then id be much more concerned about our fellow humans down here and just what they may have in store.


A fearful outlook will not do us any good right now. It has NEVER worked, and wont suddenly miraculously start benifiting us now.

People need to realise that they will only encounter that which is in corespondance with their vibratory resonance, if you are a fearful creature you will encounter things to reinforce this state of being. If you are vibrating at a high level, lower level beings cannot influence.

[Freedive]

Originally Posted by Jack

Most species that have reached such a stage in their civilisation that they can accomplish intersteller space will most likely also be highly evolved in other areas such as spirituality.

most likely, but I believe that some aren't, and it's the ones that aren't that want to colonize our planet

Originally Posted by Jack

IF theres anything to be "looking out for" (it "looking out" through the eyes of fear is the route you wish to take) then id be much more concerned about our fellow humans down here and just what they may have in store.

it's not a matter of fear, but I do agree that some fellow humans are up to no good

Originally Posted by Jack

A fearful outlook will not do us any good right now. It has NEVER worked, and wont suddenly miraculously start benifiting us now.

you keep mentioning fear...fear is not the issue, we have nothing to fear as long as we have knowledge, and if we keep tagging everything with the word "fear" we're going to avoid knowledge,

hey, it's just my point of view, thanks for sharing

[SteveX]

All I can discern is that the Aliens do not have an agenda here other than scientific observation. If they are hostile they should have taken care of us when we were throwing stones at each other. Why would they wait for us to get as advanced as we are? Considering they have been coming here for thousands of years.

Maybe they already have us as slaves. Possibly this is a prison planet where our spirits are locked down in human form. Our brain capacity deliberately dumbed down so as not to communicate across the universe. Who knows and it sure would be nice to be filled in. Know what the agenda is...if any. For me that's part of the discolsure problem. Once it is confirmed they are here the next question is WHY?

Should we get quasi religious about ET? Become cargo cultist? Yes... It would be nice if the Aliens came down and cured our woes but I don't see it happening any time soon.... or they would have done it by now... good or bad. So for me I'll go with the OP's last line "it's up to us".

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by SteveX

All I can discern is that the Aliens do not have an agenda here other than scientific observation. If they are hostile they should have taken care of us when we were throwing stones at each other. Why would they wait for us to get as advanced as we are? Considering they have been coming here for thousands of years..

We are fun to watch. No-one makes a mess of things quite like we do

A..

[Stardustaquarion]

I think that defending our free will is paramount, that is the only thing that we really have and we will lose it if we sign those petitions

I discovered yesterday that the Queen of England is an usurper and that they need peoples consent for everything only they bully us into believing that we have to, its outrageous!

I know it seems that we are not doing a good job but we are being helped by the negative ETs many of which are already in the planet. After all they have been the rulers for more than 15,000 years. They are the ones creating all this chaos and wars. Our failure is to let them, is to not say anything, is to sit in front of the TV so they can brain wash us, to feel powerless, to think that nothing can be done.

I think the video that was posted here yesterday called "the solution" is a great starting point. If America does it, the world will follow

Love

[Freedive]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

I know it seems that we are not doing a good job but we are being helped by the negative ETs many of which are already in the planet. After all they have been the rulers for more than 15,000 years. They are the ones creating all this chaos and wars. Our failure is to let them, is to not say anything, is to sit in front of the TV so they can brain wash us, to feel powerless, to think that nothing can be done.Love

so true mate, but yes, we do have the potential to do a good job if we get rid of them, and I think your statement is the kind of encouragement we need to spread

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Freedive

so true mate, but yes, we do have the potential to do a good job if we get rid of them, and I think your statement is the kind of encouragement we need to spread

Firstly to spread the message we need to identify who is "them".

Is it a race of Aliens controlling a few elitists.

Is it a few elitists dictating an agenda.

Is it an army of corporate wanna be elitists.

Is it plain old power mad politicians / dictators / despots

Is it a system of empowerment

Is it a system of governance

Is it a corporate greed system

Is it the system

Secondly where to start. Fight the ET from this PC or take arms in a peaceful manner to tackle the system. There's a David and Goliath situation here. I don't fancy being David taking on an ET agenda but I could be David v the system.

We are little more than insurgents or freedom fighters without the means to take on an army. I only see passive gorilla action from the bottom as the way forward.

[Freedive]

Originally Posted by SteveX

Firstly to spread the message we need to identify who is "them".

…we have…it’s the Illuminati, or some call it the NWO or PTB, much research material is available, and lots of it is confusing. Personally I think the information contained in the Handbook for the New Paradigm Series is the best available, really a must read…here is a brief quote from the 3rd book:

“These ever present beings have hidden themselves and operated through
this “unknowable God,” holding humanity hostage not only for
the resources of the planet, but as a last experiment in
manipulation…”

Originally Posted by SteveX

Secondly where to start. Fight the ET from this PC or take arms in a peaceful manner to tackle the system. There's a David and Goliath situation here. I don't fancy being David taking on an ET agenda but I could be David v the system.

We are little more than insurgents or freedom fighters without the means to take on an army. I only see passive gorilla action from the bottom as the way forward.

Action from the bottom, as you say, sounds good to me, and pretty close to what I gathered from these precious Handbooks, though it’s not passive and not quite a guerilla, but it is a grass roots movement; for now we just have to acknowledge the situation and refuse it; here are a few quotes from the 1st book, but for a full answer I recommend reading the books:

“You must vow and commit to become part of the solution. Then,
despite the continued push of deceptive encroachment into your
awareness, you must begin to discern what is truth. You must
hold to your resolve to move through this to a new and greater
understanding. When this becomes your greatest personal Truth,
then you will find opportunities to become part of a different
movement employing methods that will not constitute physical
resistance, but will use an entirely new approach. There is no
other way open, for resistance on a physical level would be immediately
snuffed out.”

“Together this spreading group awareness shall provide the pivotal point that will
bring an end to this situation. The resolve to be part of the solution from the
depths of personal consciousness is the key that will open the lock, end the
imprisonment of humanity and bring true freedom to the inhabitants of this planet.
Many are called, but few choose to respond. Where do you stand at this pivotal point?”

“… there are many that are waiting and wondering what it is that they can do,
now that they are aware. We shall provide that answer and it will seem to them an easy
thing to do, for they are being asked to do something that can be
done privately and without drawing any notice. And it is the
most powerful thing that needs to be done. It is a focused pivotal
change of attitude from victim to empowerment.
The great resistance to phase one information was because
each thought it would involve armed revolution to accomplish
change. We know that a change is not our goal. A new paradigm
of experience begins with totally different techniques and methods
and there is no counter measure in place once it is begun…”

I think that also Marshal Vian Summers gives us a good answer:
“…Do we have any hope against such a presence and a power?” The answer is yes, of course you do…Races cannot come and take another world by force…If races want to gain influence in another world, it must appear that their presence is accepted and welcomed.…If the presence of the Intervention becomes known to enough people, it can no longer function in secrecy and must withdraw. If your mind and heart cannot be turned through persuasion and seduction or intimidation, then the Intervention has no power over you.”

The above is of course just a partial answer, and hopefully some insight, but just a few quotes really don’t do justice to the precious material I mentioned that IMO is really worth reading.

Then we have the other problem…the new contending factions, which is the actual object of this thread, and those are summarized in a very “macro” way on the first post.
True, Carol, we don’t know what all their agendas are, but I think that basically those that come and take any kind of action (scientific cooperation, claim to save us from our bad government, rescue us on their ships, you name it…) are the ones to watch out for.

Hera again Marshal Vian Summers gives us a good answer:
“Your (true) allies would not intervene in the world in such a manner, for this would require them to take control of the world, which they will not do. And this would undermine humanity’s potential to become a free and self-determined race in the Universe.”
Our true allies just give us advice, that’s all, the rest is up to us.

cheers

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by Freedive

so true mate, but yes, we do have the potential to do a good job if we get rid of them, and I think your statement is the kind of encouragement we need to spread

Yeah, I posted the videos everywhere I could think of and sent it to all my "thinking" friends. I know is a small start but who knows who can be the one that takes the flag

I come to this forum because I believe that we still can do something about it, maybe not get the whole thing fixed but at least some of it, a kind of freer world within the madness

Love

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Anchor

We are fun to watch. No-one makes a mess of things quite like we do

A..

Too right.

Everyday seems more like damage management than actual living.

edited word damaged ..went lysdexic

[Freedive]

Originally Posted by Carol

the shadow government runs the world and that truly sucks.

agree, I dont want it no more