Why making God unfashionable never works..

[lisa]

Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and wisdom!

Yeah RedeZra, this I am not sure.
Meier never said this outright (as far as I know), but a few shreds of his material lead one to imply that he is Jesus reincarnate.

As with most people, I listen to many different sources.
I spend more time on sources that I find more reliable.
Then I buy some and don't buy some.

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Meier never said this outright (as far as I know), but a few shreds of his material lead one to imply that he is Jesus reincarnate.

Lisa,

Jesus did not have to reincarnate on this Earth 2k years ago.
He was already an ascended being (soul).

Jesus chose (volunteered) to reincarnate from Pure Divine Love that he has for us.
He knew that humanity at that time needed Him for spiritual awakening...

Hope this helps.

[Anchor]

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[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Anchor. Appreciate it.

[Frank Samuel]

14 chakras thank you for your detail answers. The purpose of my questions is to spark creative conversations emanating beyond words but directly connected to our infinite souls who holds the answers to many of these questions. Once we let go of the illusion of self many things become crystal clear. I hope my questions do not offend anyone for that is not my intention, I simply wish to stir your original mind to search for answers beyond the written word thereby breaking the barriers of our limited understanding of our origin. For there is so much more to learn and to grasp. I respect each one of your views and we are all here because we decided to incarnate in this moment in time for a very special purpose. Is an exciting time my friends .

Blessings and good night to all...

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

14 chakras thank you for your detail answers. The purpose of my questions is to spark creative conversations emanating beyond words but directly connected to our infinite souls who holds the answers to many of these questions. Once we let go of the illusion of self many things become crystal clear. I hope my questions do not offend anyone for that is not my intention, I simply wish to stir your original mind to search for answers beyond the written word thereby breaking the barriers of our limited understanding of our origin. For there is so much more to learn and to grasp. I respect each one of your views and we are all here because we decided to incarnate in this moment in time for a very special purpose. Is an exciting time my friends .

Blessings and good night to all...

Yes ~ And I forgot to put disclaimer above my personal answers above: Just sharing my personal take on things at this time ~ there is always MORE and discussion like you say Frank ~ that comes from us connecting to our own Divine spark within, and sharing what comes forth, is always the ideal ~ Espavo ~

[lisa]

Wow, still going? God is such a heated topic.

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

Jesus did not have to reincarnate on this Earth 2k years ago.
He was already an ascended being (soul).

Jesus chose (volunteered) to reincarnate from Pure Divine Love that he has for us.

...and so it goes that Billy chose to reincarnate here to help us (according to the Meier material).

Greybeard, why do people like to add letters to their names (Dr, PhD, MD etc.) even when they are fake?

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Wow, still going? God is such a heated topic.


...and so it goes that Billy chose to reincarnate here to help us (according to the Meier material).

Greybeard, why do people like to add letters to their names (Dr, PhD, MD etc.) even when they are fake?

Lisa, I personally started to doubt that you are really looking for enlightenment on this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong...

If you want to discuss about Billy and not God, then please start your own thread. Hope you don't take this the wrong way. Thanks!

Love and light,

Dan

[lisa]

My point is - If Billy is really Jesus, a lot of people are poo-pooing him off.
In addition, it is not hard to see why people poo-poo Jesus off back in his days (including those who think they serve God).

This thread is: "Why making God unfashionable never works.." and people are debating that.
If my point of view contradicts your religious beliefs so much that it disturbs you, please put me on your "ignore list".

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

My point is - If Billy is really , a lot of people are poo-pooing him off.

If you want to believe in Billy fine. However, we're not discussing him here.
So please do the people of this thread a favor and start your own. Thanks!

[beren]

Originally Posted by lisa

My point is - If Billy is really Jesus, a lot of people are poo-pooing him off.
In addition, it is not hard to see why people poo-poo Jesus off back in his days (including those who think they serve God).

This thread is: "Why making God unfashionable never works.." and people are debating that.
If my point of view contradicts your religious beliefs so much that it disturbs you, please put me on your "ignore list".

Lisa,

Billy is not Jesus.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by beren

Billy is not Jesus.

beren, you are certain of it. However, certainty does not make it true/untrue.
He maybe, he may not be. In time, it will all be clear...

[beren]

Originally Posted by lisa

beren, you are certain of it. However, certainty does not make it true/untrue.
He maybe, he may not be. In time, it will all be clear...

Well true, but with that line of reasoning, everything may or may not be.
Who knows ,maybe your first neighbor is Jesus or bus driver in your street...

I am talking here straightforward without putting you down.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by beren

Well true, but with that line of reasoning, everything may or may not be.

There are things that we know to be true (for practical purpose), but yeah, people have very different certainties about God.

Originally Posted by beren

Who knows ,maybe your first neighbor is Jesus or bus driver in your street...

That's right!

Originally Posted by beren

I am talking here straightforward without putting you down.

Thank You!

[beren]

Greybeard,Frank,Arounthetable,Truthseererdan and others;

I will now paste one touching story :

John 13:3-17

3.Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4.so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5.After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6.He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?"

7.Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."

8"No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet."
Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."

9"Then, Lord," Simon Peter replied, "not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!"

10.Jesus answered, "A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you." 11.For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.

12.When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. 13"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14.Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17.Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.





What lessons we can learn here?

Humility and love.

He that is king of kings and lord of lords , bowed down ,did the work of a servant and washed feet.

WHO are we with our foolish pride ?

If the one who is second to God did this, then can`t we humble ourself?

We can`t be named children of God tomorrow if we are not like him.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

Wow, still going? God is such a heated topic.


...and so it goes that Billy chose to reincarnate here to help us (according to the Meier material).

Greybeard, why do people like to add letters to their names (Dr, PhD, MD etc.) even when they are fake?

Lisa would you like to define fake for me?

Dr. David R. Hawkins

Biography Summary

Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. is a nationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, spiritual teacher and lecturer. He co-authored the ground-breaking work, Orthomolecular Psychiatry with Nobel Laureate Linus Pauling, that helped revolutionize psychiatryDr. Hawkins' honors are vast. His background is detailed in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in the World, and his work has been acclaimed by many world leaders and Nobelists, including Mother Teresa. His life is devoted to the upliftment of mankind.Dr. Hawkins has lectured at the University of Argentina; Notre Dame, Stanford, and Harvard Universities; Westminster Abbey; and the Oxford Forum. In addition, he has been an advisor to Catholic, Protestant, and Buddhist monasteries. He has conferred with foreign governments on international diplomacy and has been instrumental in resolving long-standing conflicts that were major threats to world peace. He is the author of the best-selling trilogy, Power vs. Force (published in 17 languages);

I cut it short at that.

Well if thats fake!!!!
Regards Chris

[lisa]

As you know, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D's "Ph.D" is from an unaccredited diploma mill that was shut down by court order: http://www.skepdic.com/news/newsletter58.html#3

Why is his name still attached to those letters?

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

As you know, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D's "Ph.D" is from an unaccredited diploma mill that was shut down by court order: http://www.skepdic.com/news/newsletter58.html#3

Why is his name still attached to those letters?

Llsa I have no idea about the Ph.D and frankly it doesn't concern me. He was a practicing Dr and Psychiatrist for years.

Is it not just possible that he got the qualification honestly whilst the place was accreited?
If so he would be entitled to keep the qualification. If he was dishonest he would have been struck off
Regardless look at the rest of his biology is that false too?

It is easy to put stuff on the net and claim Hoax as you know.
Virtually every prominent spiritual person has had their reputation put in doubt.

All I can say is that I have benefited greatly from his books and I dont have to defend anyone.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion Lisa and whatever moves you.

Regards to you
Chris

[lisa]

I asked because Dr David Hawkins is supposed to be "in that rare state of nonduality -ego less, Oneness with God".
It is surprising that someone at that state is attached to letters behind his name.
Also, I think that a spiritual person should naturally be truthful.

Originally Posted by greybeard

All I can say is that I have benefited greatly from his books and I dont have to defend anyone.

That's great, thanks!

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

I asked because Dr David Hawkins is supposed to be "in that rare state of nonduality -ego less, Oneness with God".
It is surprising that someone at that state is attached to letters behind his name.
Also, I think that a spiritual person should naturally be truthful.


That's great, thanks!

Yes you are correct Lisa, Hawkins is not attached to anything in that he is not the this or that, being a Dr is a function not what he is. all functions are to be respected but they are just labels.
The reason for getting the PhD is that the first book Power Versus force was aimed at the intellect as a bridge between the linear and non linear and he is well aware in this world people of so called intellect are more likly to read a book by a PhD. Thats the way it is here. St Teresa wrote a foreword for the book.
Anyway its a good book to read as a bridge between the scientific and the world of the mystic.

Regards
Chris

[greybeard]

Thanks for the story Beren.
Jeus was offered much by the devil but refused.

I wouldn't want the responsibility of power or to be a co-creator with God.
Like everyone else I have had a measure of success and my 30 seconds of fame
Im happy with the little I have now and the freedom of not having my own house or car to worry about.
My five children are grown up and have never given me a sleepless night. God has been and is kind.
My mind is quiet.
What more could I want?
With love
Chris

[RedeZra]

what is not confined within the heart

but can be found there


what is not chained within Creation

but can be unlocked there


what is not lost nor bound

but forever fresh and free


whose form is Love and name is Truth

[lisa]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The reason for getting the PhD is that the first book Power Versus force was aimed at the intellect as a bridge between the linear and non linear and he is well aware in this world people of so called intellect are more likly to read a book by a PhD. Thats the way it is here. St Teresa wrote a foreword for the book.

Thanks Chris.

If that is the case, Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D should know that the Bible says:
"Thou shalt not lie."
not
"Thou shalt not lie unless you want to sell a book."
nor
"Thou shalt not lie unless you find a good excuse."

[truth and integrity]

Greetings, aroundthetable

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted by Frank Samuel
At one point in my life I had an amazing collection of books, proud to consider myself an educated man.

I have been there too. I love studying, learning, and growing and I’ve always wanted to understand the depth of human psyche. But I felt that I was chasing a shadow. I was fascinated by a new theory and than I experienced a dark night of the soul when I entered a questioning period. It is another stage in our growth when after questioning, synthesizing, and integrating our experience and knowledge we reach our inner truth. There is no more guessing but inner clarity and peacefulness, a place where values, beliefs, and the actions become one. We do not need to think about values but simply living them and our faith is more than beliefs or even a way of life, but is a total commitment to the ongoing, guiding presence of God. This is how I understand my cherished verse: Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free.