Why making God unfashionable never works..

[Frank Samuel]

The origin of all things can be view as a parent, all parents want the best for their children. None of us worship our parents, rather we love them and respect them. Worship and blind fanaticism has replace the true meaning of our relationship to our origin. Religion throughout history has always been use by tptb to enslave and control humanity. Yes our original mind knows that we are not just flesh and bones, our heart, internal essence , soul ,seeks a connection to our origin. No book is needed , religious emblem or symbol to establish a connection to your origin. Just your true desire to do so. Each person is free to establish a personal connection to the origin of all things. As a young man I study theology and visited many types of religious institutions who often are caught up in internal politics , made up traditions and sub cultures that devalue our connection to our origin. Religious leaders seek to control the masses by stating that because they have the understanding of a particular Holy Book we must congregate and follow them . In the eyes of a parent all children have equal value , irregardless whether they have knowledge or comprehension of their relationship to their parents. All parents love their babies. Babies cannot read, talk, yet parents love their children unconditionally. So why would it be any different for the origin of all things. While some might label this way of thinking as new age, sacrilegious, etc. I view it as pure common sense is time to regain our sovereignty and reclaim our true connection to the origin of all things .

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

The origin of all things can be view as a parent, all parents want the best for their children...

Wonderful thought Frank. I would add that by coming here, into materiality, we are given the opportunity to live a small portion of what is to be parent, just like Creation is for all that exist. It is an opportunity to feel from the direct experience of love for our children, a very similar perspective that Creation has for all. An opportunity to a different 'understanding' on what is the world we live in.

Life, Nature, Creation is the greatest spiritual experience to live, seeing it all alive, sentient and feeling is my sens of 'God'... I prefer to say Creation.

Namaste, Steven

[aroundthetable]

Creation implies a creator, this implies intelligence, intelligence implies a personality. As eternal living entities ( something scientists are gradually realising ) we have the same qualities of God, but in a limited way, just as a spark from a fire is not the fire but has the same qualities. We have chosen to be born into the material existence because we desire to become little controllers, little gods. Anyone claiming to be god can easily prove this by creating a planet, a universe, or how about a single blade of grass?

I invite all to watch this video debate.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...chance&view=3#

[beren]

Lisa, you asked a perfect question. All is quite simple but it was deliberately complicated for humanity from the very beginning .

Father is Almighty Creator. God.

But when you read Bible you have to realize that it was written 2000 years ago ( new testament) and old reaches to 1500 BC .
That particular verse I quoted was spoken to one Samaritan woman when she was taking water from one well.

Now that is a very interesting scene for serious consideration for several reasons.

1. Jesus spoke to a woman , which was highly unlikely in that time for men to publicly speak with women since they regarded women as lower beings. Very rare situation indeed that a man speaks publicly with woman who was ,by the way, Samaritan -and Jews avoided Samaritans thinking of them as "goyim" -not worthy at all in their eyes.

2.Jesus spoke that words 2000 years ago when 99% of humanity was illiterate and didn`t know a darn thing that even first graders today know and understand. But amazing thing is that essential truths are same even to the most illiterate.

3. All people then ,in that time, never thought in terms Jesus was describing. So I guess it was very difficult for him to explain maaaany thins.
They were accustomed when thinking about God or any deity that they need buildings,groves,trees,sacrifices and many more things since all that was IN USE with every religion at that time. Also they didn`t thought that they are actually in some religion. They thought ,well...,it`s just like that. There is no other way .

4. Since they didn`t thought abstractly at all ,it had to be painted for them in order they could at least beginning to grasp what was Jesus talking about.
Even Jews which were at the time God`s chosen people on Earth were not for away from others. Simply, humanity was living in different time with literacy ,technology and everything.
How can you explain to a man what is a hydroplane when he does not know to write his name or what time is t today???

5. Then realizing all above facts Father or God is actually Almighty Creator . He needs people to worship him in spirit and truth for a start. When they do that ,soon they realize that they don`t need anything they were taught from other people on earth in order to be close friends with Almighty Creator. Look at kids ,when they are small ,their father is almost like a God to them and they try to imitate him and they like and love him and when he raises his voice they are a bit afraid. But instinctively ,they know they are loved and they grow. Later on, father is not being looked upon as when you were a child. Then he gains your deep respect and you two become friends for life. When you are adult you never think about your father as God or what ever, you think about him as good wise friend who was and will be always there for you , 24/7.

BUT as last point here, you can never meet our heavenly Father unless you are humble. It is a long path from worshiping to friendship and honor, but it`s the most precious one that is ,in entire universe ,because when you have a friendship with God-heavenly father-Almighty Creator or all-... then you have everything.

Tell me, is there in existing any other being or person in universe you`d want his/hers friendship more than the very Creator ?

For God is spirit and God is love .Everything that he did was done from initial spark of love that has its source in him.
Look around you on earth, every tree, animal,flower,person, element is a tiny manifestation of his creativity and unlimited creative power.

When ever you see or meet a person which reflects love or wisdom , you then are in direct contact with father through that person emitting part of HIS values...Love-Justice-Wisdom-Power.

When ever your soul is amazed and beautifully blessed and enjoyed from a scent of a flower or butterflies dance or beauty of eagle flight ,you are then touched by Almighty creator.

When ever you eat juicy orange and feel bliss you are fed by Almighty Creator.

Whenever you swim in a pool or river in hot days and feel great because water rejuvenated you, you have been bathed by Almighty creator.

See ,examples are endless...

You ,me, everybody just have to feel, see,listen and love.

[aroundthetable]

Please kindly resist the urge to post long tracts of dialogue, it stands more chance of being read and digested and i believe it is more respectful of everyones intelligence.

Are there any Muslims or Jews or any other faiths that would like to share personal realisations from their scriptures?

[beren]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Please kindly resist the urge to post long tracts of dialogue, it stands more chance of being read and digested and i believe it is more respectful of everyones intelligence.

Are there any Muslims or Jews or any other faiths that would like to share personal realisations from their scriptures?

Pardon me sir

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by beren

Pardon me sir

Lol Beren, believe me i share your enthusiasm in these matters

Hey Beren, how about a personal favourite or inspiring gem from the bible that you like? No not the whole book!!!

[THE eXchanger]

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

Well as long as we are here, lets do the right thing by each other, and then get the hell outta here!!

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted bytruthseekerdan
Some parts of the today's Bible are deliberately manipulated (changed), and some also poorly translated. However, some parts fortunately still unchanged.

I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.

That's why when reading the Bible, in order to understand it properly one has to be a bit more spiritually grown up.

It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom.

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by truth and integrity

I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.



It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom.

I'm glad and happy that you realized that my friend.
Please feel free to share your knowledge on this thread.

Love and light,

Dan

[truth and integrity]

I am so glad that there are here people like you. It is not so trendy any more to talk about the Bible in this New Age Movement Era.

[truthseekerdan]

Inspirational verse of the day:

Matthew 18:3 (New International Version)

3. And he (Jesus) said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven".



With Love,

Dan

[greybeard]

Good morning One and all.
Spiritual is a bit like down the rabbit hole.
The further you go the more you discover to keep or put aside.
Ultimate Truth. Only God Is.
However that is not helpful to where we are at the moment.
There is no ego just a bundle of thoughts claiming to be I.
Thats not helpful to begin with.

Without being judgmental its surprises me that at least some Christians dont know the history of the Bible. Its first big alteration was at the Council of Nancia around about 400AC. I have the essence not the detail.
Books of the original bible were dropped, Revelations was brought in.
All reference to past life was dropped except one about John the Baptist.

I therfore place my faith in the word of those here and now who are enlightened including those of recent history ie Ramana, Nasargadatta, Yogananda who's words were faithfully coppied and put in book while they were still alive.
Who knows for sure what was said thousands of years ago, though the essence remains.

Of all, without exception, that I have read, Dr David Hawkins gives the most detailed information on the path to enlightenment and what the state of enlightenment is from an experiential position. Not written by followers, not written after death, written by him.

Web site
http://www.veritaspub.com/

His life history can be found on the site.
We tend to think if some one is of our time and place ( a prophet in his own country etc) then the teaching cant be as valid as one from India, Nepal or another century. Need that be so?
Enlightenment is enlightenment.
Enlightenment is to be in Christ consciousness.
Namaste
Chris

[Frank Samuel]

Greybeard my friend at one point in my life I had an amazing collection of books, proud to consider myself an educated man. A scholar of the Bible and other Holy Books, often I sat all night with friends and debate with them about them. Now an old foggie of 52 I realize my foolish pride was my motivation. In the last 4 yrs. of my life I have learn so much about my spiritual connection to God and I have not read a single book. Think about this for a moment in the library of our collective conscious are millions of Holy books you could access . There's many secrets yet to be uncover about our spirituality. My book shelf came down and I started from zero relearning everything I thought I once knew. How do you think these Holy Books where written in the first place ? There's many authors just in one chapter in the Bible, who dictated to them what to write and how did they come across this information ? I am smiling as I write this . Our vision becomes so narrow we often missed the whole point of our connection to God, knowledge is endless, it is infinite yet it is very simple to access. You often refer to it as Faith . As you know I am respectful of everyone ones belief because they are bits and pieces of the truth. Ah but our learning and understanding lies beyond books straight if you will into the Heart of God.

[greybeard]

Of course you are right my friend Frank.
The advice given me was. " If the goal is enlightenment then spend time with those who are in that state, in person if possible or via book" On questioning why the importance of being with a Sage/Mystic it was explained that the high spiritual energy of the Sage attaches to the auric field of the student and there is then an activation of kundalini spiritual energy/holyspirit within, traditionally called "The Grace of the Guru" (words can only point to truth).
The Self of the student is the same as the Self of the teacher.
So its down to spiritual energy rather than words though the books/words contain degrees of spiritual energy.
I was drawn to spend time on several ashrams, attend talks given by Eckhart Tolle, every spare penny I had was spent on the quest for Truth. That was necessary for me but not necessarily so for others.
I still read because of the uplifting energy.
Like you my book shelf is virtually empty, they served their purpose.
The mind is virtually silent.
While it seems the story is about me and my experiences I dont think I had a choice, Once one is committed to finding God within then spiritual intention leads to a synchronism thats leads one where one needs to be.
With love
Chris

[aroundthetable]

Krishna states, always remember me with love and devotion and surely you will come to me, of this there is no doubt.

Heres to remembrance fellow souls x

[aroundthetable]

Wonderful answers all and welcome to truth and integrity ( literally!)

Thanks for pointing out the difference between Christ and Jesus Truthseeker, i am not too familiar with the fine details of Christianity in that way. Krishna says

'It is better to perform your own duties even faultily, than to perform someone elses duties perfectly, for that way lies madness.'


Another good point is that cultures like the north american indians, eskimos etc etc etc, also have there way of finding God and yes of course they do this without spiritual books. They do however use symbols, prayers, pictures, dancing etc and maintain a deep oral tradition, which if they commited to books would not render them invalid.

In regards to Teachers. A Bona Fide teacher considers themselves a servant of God, and his or her teacher also think in that way ( at least in the Vedic tradition of Vaishnavism) i am also a servant...so in this way we are the servant of the servant of the servant and so on. And Frank, yes, it is not a good idea to bash somebody with a holy book!!

Thankyou all for your words,

your humble servant,

att

[Frank Samuel]

I love the term servant because that implies humility. I too consider myself a servant. The flip side of that is that it is a term by which others in the name of God have enslave millions upon millions of people. We have created governments that instead of serving the people are exploiting them. Holy Books are powerful weapons. The recent movie, " The Book of Eli ", is a perfect example of that. I am inspire by you aroundthetable , I only wish to point out that knowledge is a two edge sword that indeed has to be use with humility and with the heart of a servant. Thank you for your words of wisdom for they ring ever so true in my Heart.

[Frank Samuel]

Greybeard, Aroundthetable and everyone who is reading this thread a warm hug and kiss for you are all my dear friends, I am humble by your wisdom and love.
My children and daily chores are calling me so if you please excuse me time to put our words of wisdom into action.

Have a great day everyone.

Blessings to all...

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

Greybeard, Aroundthetable and everyone who is reading this thread a warm hug and kiss for you are all my dear friends, I am humble by your wisdom and love.
My children and daily chores are calling me so if you please excuse me time to put our words of wisdom into action.

Have a great day everyone.

Blessings to all...

AWW thankyou Frank...made my heart glow GROUP HUG!!!!

[aroundthetable]

Chris wrote...

"How may I serve you beloved God"


That is the attitude of a soul in their true constitutional postion.

Wonderful.

[greybeard]

Hawkins quote.
Eventually the only prayer that is left is "How may I serve you beloved God"
He is in 80s and still in active service.

While I speak mainly of him that is a personal preference at this moment and is no way saying that the teaching coming through him is superior in any way.
He has developed a map of consciousness and calibrated holy books.
The Bhagavad Gita calibrates extremely high and that is one of the most ancient texts,
God unfashionable, that is a joke.
Namaste
Chris

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

The fun's just begining dearest Ones... patience of the saints, we are here Now to bring in a New Earth, a Golden Age unsurpassed in Earth history, and we'll do so by bringing in first a New us ~ Rebirth ~ caterpillar Be's the Butterfly ~ old wine surrender, new wine of Christ consciousness fills the Holy Grail (US!)...

Abundant Life made manifest, coming to Planet Earth in the Now... Now!

[beren]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Lol Beren, believe me i share your enthusiasm in these matters

Hey Beren, how about a personal favourite or inspiring gem from the bible that you like? No not the whole book!!!

There are many gems, I give few of them now...

Psalm 15 (New International Version)

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.
1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman,

4 who despises a vile man
but honors those who fear the LORD,
who keeps his oath
even when it hurts,

5 who lends his money without usury
and does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things
will never be shaken.





John 17:20-26 (New International Version)

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."