Ive got a solution

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Jack

There is much more to come so bear with it swanny, its not half as complicated as it first appears.

I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

[Jack]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by Jack

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

my son is on SSA disability and the child support (is less than the normal amount) is paid thru an auxillary account off of their dad's SSA disability account... I just got finished with a CPS/court case involving my other son which, after all the requirements were put in place, locked me into a half-time job with job schedule that will not allow for getting s second job to help supplement the income.. so I have been diminished to depending on the SSA income just to be able to meet the minimum bills- and even tho I make too much to qualify for any other assistance- that does not allow for me to save anything or provide ANY avenue to get up out of the welfare pit.

so- at this time, I am not able to dismiss my wardens and submit documents to become a FREE family...

[Northern Boy]

xbusymom you were working and paying into a system you never knew was there to deceive you. You can claim all rights and privileges that the capitalized name is entitled to remember if you claim it and they do not respond with in the time frame you stipulate then they have accepted it and it is binding in a court of law even theirs . The fact that they created the monster doesn`t entitle them to being excluded if the monster decides to bite them on the a_ss

[xbusymom]

ok, but (not trying to argue myself out of anything) doesn't that also mean that if I don't jump through their hoops, they can then decide that we are not entitled to disability payments anymore?

*help me navigate the maze, 'cause I am already confused and I don't have a lot of time to really dig into researching this issue...

I will say this topic has given me courage to be bolder in dealing with SSA and I am currently dealing with a case review report that they are requiring me to fill out 'completely', yet has necessary data missing from their boxes on the report... so I am being a stickler with the CW on this point... and we will see how far I get with that...

and the payment for my other son for June's benefit (child support that was returned from the Foster Parent) I finally got back in November...

so I am racking up a lot of documentation... if nothing else

[Northern Boy]

Ok lets do it this way

You have paid into programs like unemployment social security and welfare and the whole host of programs out there your whole life as a corporation . That is what you are when they use the acts and statutes against you in an attempt to control you ,and for the most part they have been successful at it .

So why can you pay in if you are a person but not draw out as a human being ? Answer is you can .

You must send them a notice of intent and a claim of right to gain access to these programs as a human being and if they refuse then you can show that as the agent of the capitalized name you contributed to these programs and would now like to be compensated for it in one of 2 ways by your notice claiming a right to them or by them refunding all deductions taken and put into the programs

[xbusymom]

I got it now!

to get what you want - you just have to their game with their game pieces - documents!

( so its kind of like - an adult wanting to play a game with their kids so they have to rethink like a kid for the kids' rules to make sense)

kind of switches the perspective from what we were led to believe DUH-YA THINK?? hahaha -- oh i am loving this...

Hint- go back and rewatch the movie HOOK- in particular the scene where peter out-does rufio at the dinner table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8il4...eature=related

[Northern Boy]

Yes similar except the meanings of the words used will change and you must know what they mean in their courts to be successful and getting the outcome you desire .

There are places you can go online to find out information and build a solid notice so everything you want as far as your rights go is included

Thinkfree.ca is one and Jack has posted several links that include others as well there are several links posted elsewhere in the forum one thing to remember is that Common Law whether it be Great Britain Canada or the U.S.
in the western hemisphere is virtually the same New Zealand and Oz likewise

but if you want an idea of how things work watch this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3665540929835#

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

I got it now!

to get what you want - you just have to their game with their game pieces - documents!

( so its kind of like - an adult wanting to play a game with their kids so they have to rethink like a kid for the kids' rules to make sense)

kind of switches the perspective from what we were led to believe DUH-YA THINK?? hahaha -- oh i am loving this...

Hint- go back and rewatch the movie HOOK- in particular the scene where peter out-does rufio at the dinner table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8il4...eature=related

Yes the judge on the bench with his perfectly coiffed white wig is also a child of God :-)

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Ok lets do it this way

You have paid into programs like unemployment social security and welfare and the whole host of programs out there your whole life as a corporation . That is what you are when they use the acts and statutes against you in an attempt to control you ,and for the most part they have been successful at it .

So why can you pay in if you are a person but not draw out as a human being ? Answer is you can .

You must send them a notice of intent and a claim of right to gain access to these programs as a human being and if they refuse then you can show that as the agent of the capitalized name you contributed to these programs and would now like to be compensated for it in one of 2 ways by your notice claiming a right to them or by them refunding all deductions taken and put into the programs

Does that also include that if I opt out of social insurance then I can require that they reimburse me lump sum for everything I have paid in? Especially since I wonder if they will even be able to pay me as promised.

Best,
Gnosis

[Northern Boy]

Kind of grabs you don`t it jack................ want to drive but don`t want a drivers license ?

See how this fellow makes out from London Ontario Canada

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Kind of grabs you don`t it jack

By the balls Northern Boy

INFORMATION STATION

Resources

http://www.thinkfree.ca

http://worldfreemansociety.org

http://www.creditorsincommerce.com/resources.php

http://freemanireland.ning.com

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum...omment%3A32216

http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/

http://www.nmcservices.net/

http://api.ning.com/files/CtyW7YBi6gqGENfsC-P6hAzUF5x9ZCltMeX-BRbXSfyY0VLebNsTPzQQ0Igs3UAqxTXNLBKEDHF8ZbT9KJHwjI O6aD8RKc*J/GuidetobeingaFreemanFinalv2.pdf

[Gnosis5]

Awesome! From Mississauga, Ontario

[shiftmonkey]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Kind of grabs you don`t it jack................ want to drive but don`t want a drivers license ?

See how this fellow makes out from London Ontario Canada

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

Is there some kind of special sovereign documentation that common people don't have access to? like how does the Queen of England get through customs? I know that is a silly question but I'm using it just to illustrate the point.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

Is there some kind of special sovereign documentation that common people don't have access to? like how does the Queen of England get through customs? I know that is a silly question but I'm using it just to illustrate the point.

You ask some pertinent questions, especially about how does the Queen legally identify herself within the system.

In Toronto we have many immigrants seeking to be legal citizens, a portion of them illegal. What advices does Bob Menard give them?

[Jack]

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

Ive seen it time and time again where someone fully equiped with knowledge of their rights comes into a courtroom and is called by the court. Within two minutes of them talking you will often hear a slight whisper from the judicial desk "just gonna stick this one to the bottom of the pile" , ahem, "next case". They are doing this constantly and are doing it because they know it works, and their sure as hell not gonna let everyone else in the courtroom see someone make a holy show of them.

[P.S - It did not take these people years to learn to this extent as someone else who has posted in this thread would have us believe. I am taking into consideration that you are all inteligent human beings capable of rational thought and inteligent discernment. Therefore i do not advise neither for nor against utilising any of the information presented in a rational and intelligent manner. I am however advising that you come to your own conclusions and take responsible action on your own initiative as is everyones god given ability]

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

The idea here is not to completely extinguish your corporate entity. A freeman excercising his rights to a knowledgable extent will always be operating as the "Agent" of his "Fiction" and therefore can avail of the benifits whilst still being able to waive any liability at any moment that see's fit. Such instances as when a "person" is being called in court, if that flesh and blood human being whom the person is attributed does not claim liability but instead stands their ground as its agent then they cannot be legally held liable for that which they have not accepted consentual responsibility for. It really is that simple. (Study this and it will become evident)

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

An observation i myself once had before becoming educated on the subject. It is far less time consuming, and far less turbulent then working within the current system. The most time consuming factor of all this is the time you will spend researching it once you get addicted to your god given freedom (its like crack)

Originally Posted by shiftmonkey

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

The more people that start excercising their rights, the more inteligent witnesses who know their stuff will be sitting in front of the judge. We have great power in numbers, you just watch them squirm when faced with all these witnesses who truly and unevuiqally know their rights. Theres a lot of information on what you just asked here in the links ive provided previously, please do read as it will save me quite a bit of typing and coffee stains.

[Gnosis5]

You are doing a good public service, thank you. One of the rights of a being is the right to walk away from a game. Following the rules in the links above allows one to decently, with good order and intention to firmly walk away from the win/lose game. It is one of the rights of a being and is simply another way to say "The Right to the Pursuit of Happiness".

By NOT playing this game, who loses? If you really stop and take a look at it NO ONE LOSES, everyone wins, whether they share that attitude or not. This is a good way for people to raise their consciousness -- does not always have to have a "spiritual" beginning

[shiftmonkey]

Originally Posted by Jack

Ive seen it time and time again where someone fully equiped with knowledge of their rights comes into a courtroom and is called by the court. Within two minutes of them talking you will often hear a slight whisper from the judicial desk "just gonna stick this one to the bottom of the pile" , ahem, "next case". They are doing this constantly and are doing it because they know it works, and their sure as hell not gonna let everyone else in the courtroom see someone make a holy show of them.

[P.S - It did not take these people years to learn to this extent as someone else who has posted in this thread would have us believe. I am taking into consideration that you are all inteligent human beings capable of rational thought and inteligent discernment. Therefore i do not advise neither for nor against utilising any of the information presented in a rational and intelligent manner. I am however advising that you come to your own conclusions and take responsible action on your own initiative as is everyones god given ability]




The idea here is not to completely extinguish your corporate entity. A freeman excercising his rights to a knowledgable extent will always be operating as the "Agent" of his "Fiction" and therefore can avail of the benifits whilst still being able to waive any liability at any moment that see's fit. Such instances as when a "person" is being called in court, if that flesh and blood human being whom the person is attributed does not claim liability but instead stands their ground as its agent then they cannot be legally held liable for that which they have not accepted consentual responsibility for. It really is that simple. (Study this and it will become evident)






An observation i myself once had before becoming educated on the subject. It is far less time consuming, and far less turbulent then working within the current system. The most time consuming factor of all this is the time you will spend researching it once you get addicted to your god given freedom (its like crack)






The more people that start excercising their rights, the more inteligent witnesses who know their stuff will be sitting in front of the judge. We have great power in numbers, you just watch them squirm when faced with all these witnesses who truly and unevuiqally know their rights. Theres a lot of information on what you just asked here in the links ive provided previously, please do read as it will save me quite a bit of typing and coffee stains.

Thanks Jack That definitely clarifies things for me.

[Humble Janitor]

Or you could do it and simply refuse to give them what they want.

I remember when I was 15-16. I used to do things that would make people cry but that's only because I could not stand their authority over me. I laughed at them, I mocked them and I refused to let them win. They broke down, they became frustrated and they gave up.

Whether or not they were part of a bigger thing, I'll never know.

But what does work is ignoring these people. Who are they to infringe upon your rights in life? What makes them superior to you? Why do you have to live in fear of them? Where did they come from? How could they possibly control you?

The real answer is that they can't.

Sometimes, you have to use their tactics against them.

[Northern Boy]

L4L is right if you don`t want to read and think you can get away with simply walking in and speaking a few lines of dialogue and you are clear will find it tough to accomplish . YOU MUST TAKE THE ACT OR STATUTE AND DECONSTRUCT IT once this has been done you will have and idea of what is being used against you and why. Laws are written to protect society but whose society is being protected ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society
Society or human society is the manner or condition in which the members of a community live together for their mutual benefit.
the problem with mutual benefit through out history is those who want to be in charge, usually the ones with the money have set things up so they benefit far more then the rest of us . Man has to stop putting his faith into the hands of a few people that don`t have its best interest at heart and let greed overpower them.


[QUOTE]if you can, get out of debt, do not borrow "money,"[/QUOTE]
debt is a situation that can be escaped as well those interested in ways to eliminate most of the debt they have need only go here and read

http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/f...mary_croft.pdf

engage in a livelihod the fruits of which are not taxable .

All fruits are not taxable, the fact that one has a social security number means they are an agent of the government . What that implies is that when you get a job you were referred to the place of employment by the government They charge all employers a payroll tax which the employer must pay . It also allows them to deduct income tax because you are hired under a contract for hire. All one needs do is approach a perspective employer and ask to be hired under a contract for service one does not need a ssn or sin to work under those conditions however there are other things to consider going that route . Hours of work, Statutory holidays , overtime pay, benefits, every thing you would normally have must be negotiated into a contract between both parties and signed

The employer now avoids the payroll tax saving him money there and the employee avoids the need to pay a tax on income it can be done and has been done. This does not mean the boys at the IRS and CRA won`t be looking to grab your hard earned money they will say and do what ever they choose to get your money using their good friends the courts to obtain it. You would be forced to prove your position and even then not get your money in the end . The best way to avoid them is to have no bank account they can seize and you would suffer no loss this way . There are ways to do this as well .

those really interested in beating the tax game should visit here then decide how you want to proceed
http://www.detaxcanada.org/


Once more if you don`t want to do the leg work to accomplish your desired result then you will not succeed .

[whitefluffy]

Hey jack,


Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right? So it pays to have at least a broad outline of what youre dealing with. Thankyou for the links posted so far, by you and others.
i would like to add a few more which i have found helpful.

Highly recommended. A Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and Remembering Who You Are by Mary Elizabeth ... : Croft http://www.scribd.com/doc/17462164/H...-By-Mary-Croft
http://www.tpuc.org/
http://loveforlife.com.au
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/

Its interesting that many of us seem to be following similar lines of enquiry. This issue can be approached from 2 aspects, either the point of law, the 'strawman' or the monetary aspect.

When i first found out about the birth certificate issue, i was, to put it mildly, flabberghasted! felt very angry, betrayed, just totally dumfounded. The whole fraudulent system began to become apparent but it doesnt have to be complicated. Actually its just something new and we have to begin to come to terms with it just as we have integrated many of the other perhaps more generally esoteric issues usually dealt with by camelot.
It is an important part of the picture to grasp, remebering that everything is connected and the system of deceit which operates to actually enslave us must be understood even if some feel that its too complicated or that it's an area to be avoided, i.e. don't go there, usually only serves to pique my interest !
What was is it kerry said recently? Something along the lines of "awareness is protection", well she's right and it applies to this area of the matrix just as importantly as it does to all of the rest of the web of understanding.

When dealing with bullies (or in this case, a system of tyranny) I have found it's always best to call their bluff, to remain calm, to be polite yet affirmative with just a slight sprinkling of sarcasm!

p.s. hope no one objects to print size or colour but i find it easier too read & distinguish posts if they differ somewhat.

[xbusymom]

I posted this on another board- http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10926

BY XBM:
and the following is the Notice of Intent/Claim of Right from Ireland (I am sure that we could tweak it just a little for individual countries)

and XXX does have a very good point…

arrg you guys are relentless. You are not listening, the CoR (claim of right) and NoI (notice of intent) are a commercial protest negotiation, you cant serve them all in one document!!!
you have to do the NoI nad see if they rebutt, then you do the CoR and see if they rebutt, the CoR is like a default notice...some fool joind them up quite some time ago thinking they could make the process less expensive....but commercial negotiation procedure does not work that way. I would probably say all the people who made the NoI and CoR into one document did not do the process properly and they are laughing at you...also you have to go through a notary for service...hence the name "notary protest"...geesh you can't change the rules to commercial negotiation, it has been used for thousands of years, do you think just cuz you decided to change the rules, they are going to tell you..."hey you are doing it wrong"...no they wont, they will just laugh at you and shuffle you on the train with every other debt slave.

frikin wake up! I can't believe that after all this time on the thinkfree board you still don't get it!! its amazing, specially when the answers are here, easy to find and yet you are all still confounded!

… then I found this podcast…
http://marcstevens.net/media/audio/2...-12242009.html
which explains why it is so extremely difficult to navigate correctly in the legal system…
Neural-Linguistic programming (NLP) – and especially when the legal system deliberately changes the definitions of words (terms) in different documents/ statutes, etc… for the exact reason to set you up / make it confusing (or contradictory) on purpose

which shows that ‘lawyerforliberty” was right when he said we would never understand…

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

[Jack]

Originally Posted by xbusymom

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

Once you state your claim, if ive not already put it in there, it would be advisable to add this

"Furthermore, i will be using the Common English language in all my documents and proceedings as i do not understand legaleese"

After stating this (which is your right, why they would not deny your rights now would they) youve made an official and most likely unrebuted decleration that you do not understand "legal language" and it cannot be used against you in any proceedings.

Having a skim knowledge of the legal language is always a good thing to have, and if you choose to take this path of exciting and revealing study then this will be one of those things you'll become familiour with along the way.

Life is not about problems, its about solutions. (had to say it sorry, im on a "saving the world" buzz)

[Jack]

Originally Posted by whitefluffy

Hey jack,


Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right?

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.


The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.


This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..




[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Jack

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.


The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.


This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..




[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

It is a lot easier to study to understand this issue than to try and figure out what Sir Abraxas is talking about on the Thuban thread