Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you both! I was just getting ready to reread the Urantia Book chapters which deal with this topic (52-54...if I'm not mistaken). I have come to the conclusion that the mythologies, religions, and sacred texts are mostly BS...but that they have underlying truths...which one has to do a lot of digging to expose. Many people blindly follow their religions and leaders...without digging. The few who dig...lose their faith...and just fade away...living lives of quiet desperation. The very few who keep on digging and digging...eventually hit bedrock truth...which they find to be quite upsetting. My pick just hit something solid! The horror!!

Is an archangel an angel...or simply in charge of the angels? Some say that Michael was/is Jesus. Is Lucifer a friend or foe of Humanity? Is Lucifer really Satan? Is Lucifer really the God of This World? Was Lucifer really Hathor? Could Gabriel be the equivalent of the Old Testament God the Father? Could Gabriel have been Ra...or simply loyal to Ra? Possibly Amen? Gabriel is the most mysterious to me. I'm worried about Gabriel. Are Gabriel and Lucifer hard-core bad-@$$ Gods or Goddesses? Is Michael the peacemaker instead of the warrior? Which one of the three is in charge of Gizeh Intelligence? Do each of them have a Deep Underground Military Base Headquarters? Which of them is in charge of the Secret Space Program? Which of them tells the Vatican what to do? Are they nine-foot tall Dracs? In the 'Legion' clip...it seems that Gabriel is in charge of the terror and destruction. It seems that Lucifer is trying to help Humanity...and save the Christ-child. How far off-base am I on that one?! I'm getting in deeper and deeper! I'd better stop! It's off to Urantia-land!

Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?Sorry guys. Don't take it personally.

[mntruthseeker]

I go along with Clark Kent

[eleni]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I go along with Clark Kent

Right, this could all be made up BS designed to enslave us......BTW- according to Dr. David Hawkins many of these calibrate as false- Book of Urantia is one that he has calibrated as false......

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[truth and integrity]

Is an archangel an angel...or simply in charge of the angels? Some say that Michael was/is Jesus. Is Lucifer a friend or foe of Humanity? Is Lucifer really Satan? Is Lucifer really the God of This World? Was Lucifer really Hathor?

You may get an insight when you read H.P. Blavatsky , a founder of the Theosophical Society. H. Blavatsky channeled 3 “Ascended Masters”. In “The secret doctrine” that was channeled she openly stated that Lucifer or Satan was her God. Interestingly enough, Hitler was a member of the Theosophical Society and he kept her “The secret doctrine” besides his bad. Krishnamurti was also a member of T.S. I do not remember if it was Bassant or Bailey who promoted him as a new messiah. Krishnamurti stated Order of Star but dissolved it because he was quite frustrated that people could not understand his teaching. After 15 years of very intensive research, I have realized that those behind it are masters of mind control. They put us into the state of mental paralysis so that we can not connect the dots. It is scary, isn’t it?

Best regards,

[MyShadow]

I feel they are avatars created out of millennia of conjugations of beliefs. Expressing them is one way of showing one - what is processing in the subconscious mind of oneself and tapping into the super-consciousness of the many. So often I see many entranced by the fantasy of this - yet the messages are so obvious but they can't break out of the trance to receive them.

[tone3jaguar]

I think that archangels are real omnipresent beings and emanate from parallel universes. Not to be confused with parallel dimensions or timelines. Universes that have higher base frequencies than this one. They are truly multiversal.

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[Magamud]

They are the first family of waveform to emanate from source. Human templates, creators of "matter", fire of spirit with genuine love to overthrow the old Ancients rustic in their "no involvement" passive to spark stance.. We are them and they are us. Its time to swallow your tail and understand.

Be Well...

[Shadowstalker]

For argument sake, lets say that these archangels and angles are agents of God. From what I gather, humans are the ones who have free will whilst the archangels and angels carry out the will of god and have no free will. Therefore, if free will does not compute with these angels, then how could they possibly revolt against god? Also if heaven is of divine light frequency then how could the so called wars (heavier energies) in heaven be possible? Also, why would god even allow such a thing to happen – unless he is schizophrenic?

I agree, how could something that claims to be perfect, create such imperfect beings and why would this being need to have anything following him unconditionally, without question, then create beings with free will with the minds of curious children and expect them not to disobey, you can not expect a child not to touch the hot coffee cup even tho there are toys around, eventually they will get curious enough and sculled them self, but we as good parents can not see our selves to lock the kids in the basement, till there death, but this all so called knowing being (didn't know they bit the apple?) can keep us out of the garden? Oh I have a whole lot to say about the book of genesis, as a so called holy story from a so called holy book,

Even as a kid these stories never made sense to me..
I see it as a different type of story.

Any who I find this thread very interesting indeed, and i love how some of us are trying to make this work out, I love curiosity discussions.

[truthseekerdan]

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Thank-you both! I was just getting ready to reread the Urantia Book chapters which deal with this topic (52-54...if I'm not mistaken). I have come to the conclusion that the mythologies, religions, and sacred texts are mostly BS...but that they have underlying truths...which one has to do a lot of digging to expose. Many people blindly follow their religions and leaders...without digging. The few who dig...lose their faith...and just fade away...living lives of quiet desperation. The very few who keep on digging and digging...eventually hit bedrock truth. My pick just hit something solid!

Is an archangel an angel...or simply in charge of the angels? Some say that Michael was/is Jesus. Is Lucifer a friend or foe of Humanity? Is Lucifer really Satan? Is Lucifer really the God of This World? Was Lucifer really Hathor? Could Gabriel be the equivalent of the Old Testament God the Father? Could Gabriel have been Ra...or simply loyal to Ra? Possibly Amen? Gabriel is the most mysterious to me. I'm worried about Gabriel. Are Gabriel and Lucifer hard-core bad-@$$ Gods or Goddesses? Is Michael the peacemaker instead of the warrior? It's off to Urantia-land!

I have concluded that the external texts have been open to manipulation but they are the interpretations of the authors as handed to them by the word of god. The word is handed out so that it's meaning can survive manipulation for those who have ears to hear and eyes to listen. Ulitmately the word of god is in each of us. We have forgotten it, however, and we are on a quest to recover it. when we are in tune with our inner councillor (the urantia book calls this our thought adjuster but you may know it as our conscience) through daily communication (or meditation) then external truths that we hear and see can be confirmed. Take with you what is confirmed. Don't throw away an entire resource because some of it doesn't fit. That is like throwing out a whole bunch of clay that contains a nugget of gold in it. Wash away the mud to reveal the nugget instead. There is much treasure here and there. Sift the weat from the chaff. Find your nuggets and store them in heaven. Don't be disheartend because you think you have found your treasure in a single resource and then you find a fools gold nugget and think the whole resource is fools gold. You wouldn't have got so excited about what did fit if it was fools gold to start with.

Much of the truths you have discovered so far are the same truths I have discovered on my personal quest. Keep digging my friend. Seek and you will find. Ask and the door will be opened.


Initiate

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Thank-you both! I was just getting ready to reread the Urantia Book chapters which deal with this topic (52-54...if I'm not mistaken). I have come to the conclusion that the mythologies, religions, and sacred texts are mostly BS...but that they have underlying truths...which one has to do a lot of digging to expose. Many people blindly follow their religions and leaders...without digging. The few who dig...lose their faith...and just fade away...living lives of quiet desperation. The very few who keep on digging and digging...eventually hit bedrock truth...which they find to be quite upsetting. My pick just hit something solid! The horror!!

Is an archangel an angel...or simply in charge of the angels? Some say that Michael was/is Jesus. Is Lucifer a friend or foe of Humanity? Is Lucifer really Satan? Is Lucifer really the God of This World? Was Lucifer really Hathor? Could Gabriel be the equivalent of the Old Testament God the Father? Could Gabriel have been Ra...or simply loyal to Ra? Possibly Amen? Gabriel is the most mysterious to me. I'm worried about Gabriel. Are Gabriel and Lucifer hard-core bad-@$$ Gods or Goddesses? Is Michael the peacemaker instead of the warrior? Which one of the three is in charge of Gizeh Intelligence? Do each of them have a Deep Underground Military Base Headquarters? Which of them is in charge of the Secret Space Program? Which of them tells the Vatican what to do? Are they nine-foot tall Dracs? In the 'Legion' clip...it seems that Gabriel is in charge of the terror and destruction. It seems that Lucifer is trying to help Humanity...and save the Christ-child. How far off-base am I on that one?! I'm getting in deeper and deeper! I'd better stop! It's off to Urantia-land!

Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?Sorry guys. Don't take it personally.

You are right, most of what is out there is BS

Archangels do not exist, We are all angels it is our 6th dimensional identity or part of our soul conscioussness. I know it cos I have been there...

There were collectives of peoples that worked for the fallen angels, some of them were called michael (mikkael) gabriel, etc Equivalent to what we call starfleet, shuttles, etc They used photo sonic weapons that made arches of energy I think there is something about that in the Vedas

They reason why part truth was left in the "holy" books is because we have cellular memory and we would not have believe those tales if they did not have some truth. It is a game of deception and manipulation to which many humans lent themselves too and still do

That is the reason why we have to go inwards and upwards to the level of our Rishis which are part of ourselves only in 13,14, and 15 dimension. Which are beyond the manipulation of the fallen angels

All that we need to do is intend to comunicate and enfold ourselves in a pale golden silver sphere of energy which is like a mist and learn how to speak with ourselves...then we will know what is really true

One thing, we are all part of God right? why do we need someone else to speak to ourselves? It does not make sense...it is deviation of power towards a false Deity, stealing of life force...you see

When we call anyone outside ourselves, like archangels, we are giving our power away (power = life force)

Love

[gita]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

One thing, we are all part of God right? why do we need someone else to speak to ourselves? It does not make sense...it is deviation of power towards a false Deity, stealing of life force...you see

When we call anyone outside ourselves, like archangels, we are giving our power away (power = life force)

Love

About 10 years ago, I went to a weekend workshop on past life regression

and there was a speaker in shape of a lovely sweet old lady who channelled

Archangel Michael. Everyone was asking her questions and hanging on her

every word. However, my question seemed to stun her somewhat as I

genuinely asked why she thought it necessary to go through these beings in

order to communicate with God? Then I made a polite statement that I

believed we could contact God ourselves directly. After her initial shock, she

was inclined to agree with me and stated that these beings were necessary

links to God for most as they did not deem themselves worthy enough to

bother God directly! Well, what can I tell you?

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by gita

After her initial shock, she

was inclined to agree with me and stated that these beings were necessary

links to God for most as they did not deem themselves worthy enough to

bother God directly! Well, what can I tell you?

Wow, why do we think we are unworthy? who precisely has instigated in humanity the concept of sin and unworthiness and why?

It is a loop...

We are forced to conform with the "rules of society and the church" and become "worthy citizens"="having worth = money and property"

We are unable to achieve "society goals for us" = we are unworthy, we are unable to conform with church standards = "we are sinners"

After brainwash we are raided by the ones that trained us = loop of deception

Love

[kriya]

Not wishing to argue with anyone, my view is different. I cannot prove it but I am of the opinion that angels are real and so are fallen angels.

People cannot commune directly with God as their vibrations are not high enough. Unless you work at it and make the effort to raise your vibration it ain't gonna happen consistently.

I have recently been introduced to the work of Diana Cooper.



Love,

Kriya

Originally Posted by gita

About 10 years ago, I went to a weekend workshop on past life regression

and there was a speaker in shape of a lovely sweet old lady who channelled

Archangel Michael. Everyone was asking her questions and hanging on her

every word. However, my question seemed to stun her somewhat as I

genuinely asked why she thought it necessary to go through these beings in

order to communicate with God? Then I made a polite statement that I

believed we could contact God ourselves directly. After her initial shock, she

was inclined to agree with me and stated that these beings were necessary

links to God for most as they did not deem themselves worthy enough to

bother God directly! Well, what can I tell you?

[gita]

Originally Posted by kriya

People cannot commune directly with God as their vibrations are not high enough. Unless you work at it and make the effort to raise your vibration it ain't gonna happen consistently.

Hi Kriya. My experience tells me different. I've always communicated with God directly and am very happy with my relationship with the Creator.

We're always being told that God lives within us - if frequency made the rules here, then how could God possibly live inside of us? It's like saying a parent can't communicate with their child unless there's a social worker present!!

[kriya]

Originally Posted by gita

Hi Kriya. My experience tells me different. I've always communicated with God directly and am very happy with my relationship with the Creator.

We're always being told that God lives within us - if frequency made the rules here, then how could God possibly live inside of us? It's like saying a parent can't communicate with their child unless there's a social worker present!!

Maybe getting a bit off track here. Yes I agree with you God lives with us as our own consciousness, our soul in fact is just our conscious awareness. However, in ordinary life our ego takes control and God takes a back seat. But to truly commune one must be pure of heart and mind. God's vibration is very powerful, as you may know, and many have not experienced the intensity of that or be able to contain it fully.

Your avatar sounds Indian.....if so you may know that many God-realised saints have walked this earth, drunk with God, because he is so intoxicating, most may well pass out.....lol!!

Love,

Kriya

[Myplanet2]

I've talked to God directly too. It was very unexpected and kind of a weird thing. What God wanted to know, was whether I would ask my wife for her permission for God to start talking to her again. (she'd apparently told God to take a hike at one point.) Well, she accepted and has enjoyed the renewed relationship.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

I've talked to God directly too. It was very unexpected and kind of a weird thing. What God wanted to know, was whether I would ask my wife for her permission for God to start talking to her again. (she'd apparently told God to take a hike at one point.) Well, she accepted and has enjoyed the renewed relationship.

What a blessing!! God would like to have a relationship with everyone, but most just ignore him, or are indifferent.

It's amazing really when you think about, God in all his omnipotence craves our love!!!

Love,

kriya

PS God as a him is purely for language sake, you can quite easily say source, creator etc..

[gita]

Originally Posted by kriya

What a blessing!! God would like to have a relationship with everyone, but most just ignore him, or are indifferent.
It's amazing really when you think about, God in all his omnipotence craves our love!!!
Love,
kriya

PS God as a him is purely for language sake, you can quite easily say source, creator etc..

You are absolutely right Kriya – God would love to have a relationship with everyone. In fact God doesn’t want to be worshiped – he wants people to talk to him like they talk to their friends for there’s nothing God has not heard and therefore he cannot be offended – he’s unconditional love and cannot be offended. But God does not crave our love for God is not needy and as God is Love (the two are interchangeable) then God cannot crave God – same as love cannot crave love cos it is love - hope this makes sense.
To be honest with you I do prefer using Source, Creator, Divine Love to God as the word God seems to have religious implications.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Thank-you everyone. If you speak directly to God...is that God Human, Reptilian, Grey, Hybrid...or None of the Above? God's not talking to me. Perhaps it's because I think that it's a Sin to be God...that Theocracies should be outlawed throughout the Universe...and that the First and Last Commandment should be "Thou Shalt Have No Gods". I believe in God...but I don't think God believes in me. Maybe it was something I said. One more thing...is a God of Love preparing to exterminate us? God wouldn't destroy the world...would He or She? Mass Murder is a Sin...isn't it? Is God above the Law?

The creator has no form – it just is and God does not speak in words – he speaks to you through the beauty of a flower – only if you just stop and look and admire its beauty. God speaks through music or the next film you watch, especially if you’ve asked him a question. The trick is to remember that you’ve asked a question and look out for it. God also speaks through synchronicity. People don’t hear God cos they expect him to speak a certain way and most don’t believe they deserve it and that belief alone will block out the communication. God does speak to everyone all of the time but no ones’ listening. I’ve never heard God say to me ‘thou art’! But if you want whistles and bells then ask and who knows...

Ps I’ve use the word God here cos it’s quicker to type and not for one minute do I believe God to be a male or have any gender.

[Majorion]

Well, I ascribe to the ancient astronaut theory explanation, ala Von Daniken, because I find the interpretation very modern, and makes much more sense than tales of deities and birdlike people with wings.

Angels, archangels, demons, are variations of both benevolent and malevolent extraterrestrial entities.

[gita]

Originally Posted by kriya

Maybe getting a bit off track here. Yes I agree with you God lives with us as our own consciousness, our soul in fact is just our conscious awareness. However, in ordinary life our ego takes control and God takes a back seat. But to truly commune one must be pure of heart and mind. God's vibration is very powerful, as you may know, and many have not experienced the intensity of that or be able to contain it fully.

Your avatar sounds Indian.....if so you may know that many God-realised saints have walked this earth, drunk with God, because he is so intoxicating, most may well pass out.....lol!!

Love,

Kriya

Our soul is much much more than our conscious awareness – it’s our direct connection to the source. God is so much more powerful than the ego and if we ask for him, there’s no way he can decline or be blocked out by ego. I’ve known of some people who did not have pure hearts and yet these are precisely the people God targets and so they come to say ‘I have found God’ and become the best messengers for God as they have experienced both sides.
I agree that God’s vibration is so powerful that it could literally blow up the body but that’s in God’s sublime form – it’d be like passing a 2000000 volts of electricity through a 2watt bulb. However, God permeates everything as God is everything even though filters may be in place. I believe God talks to everyone – it’s just who is willing to listen.
This all seems to depend on individual belief system and I choose to believe in a much more accessible God.

Ps. Gita is my actual name and I’m not Indian nor have I much knowledge of India and their religions.

Peace x

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by gita

Our soul is much much more than our conscious awareness – it’s our direct connection to the source. God is so much more powerful than the ego and if we ask for him, there’s no way he can decline or be blocked out by ego. I’ve known of some people who did not have pure hearts and yet these are precisely the people God targets and so they come to say ‘I have found God’ and become the best messengers for God as they have experienced both sides.
I agree that God’s vibration is so powerful that it could literally blow up the body but that’s in God’s sublime form – it’d be like passing a 2000000 volts of electricity through a 2watt bulb. However, God permeates everything as God is everything even though filters may be in place. I believe God talks to everyone – it’s just who is willing to listen.
This all seems to depend on individual belief system and I choose to believe in a much more accessible God.

Ps. Gita is my actual name and I’m not Indian nor have I much knowledge of India and their religions.

Peace x

God has a step down transformer, so that 2,000,000 volts won't burn out a 2 watt bulb. lol. But I honestly don't see God as energy, per se. More like the source of energy. My contact was very quiet and unassuming. Simply a little question, honestly delivered. Almost childlike feeling. "Can you ask your wife if it's ok for me to talk to her again? Thanks, God."