The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[greybeard]

The power of prayer is phenomenal.
I use this daily.

Courtesy of Sai Baba

I am born now from the womb of sleep
I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee with Thee ever present before my minds eye.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure.
Let me not injure anyone.
Let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day
Amen

Before sleep. after thoughts of gratitude.

The acts whose burden I placed on Thee this morning are now over.
It was You who made made walk, talk, think and act this day.
Recieve me now I am coming home to Thee.
Amen

The ego cannot survive such a prayer indefinitely and is weakened every day by it.
The prayer also dissolves karrma

I trust in God implicitly.

Sai Baba also recomended the affirmation.
"I am God"

Chris
Namaste

[kriya]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The power of prayer is phenomenal.
I use this daily.

Courtesy of Sai Baba

I am born now from the womb of sleep
I am determined to carry out all acts this day as offerings to Thee with Thee ever present before my minds eye.
Make my words thoughts and deeds sacred and pure.
Let me not injure anyone.
Let no one injure me.
Guide me direct me this day
Amen

Before sleep. after thoughts of gratitude.

The acts whose burden I placed on Thee this morning are now over.
It was You who made made walk, talk, think and act this day.
Recieve me now I am coming home to Thee.
Amen

The ego cannot survive such a prayer indefinitely and is weakened every day by it.
The prayer also dissolves karrma

I trust in God implicitly.

Sai Baba also recomended the affirmation.
"I am God"

Chris
Namaste

Beautiful affirmations Chris!!

Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean. So he was not keen for us to say that we are God, rather that we are children of God.

I quite often use this:

I am not a mortal being,
I am not the body,
I am a child of God.

Love,

Kriya

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by kriya

Beautiful affirmations Chris!!

Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean.

how can it not be correct

when the Ocean is also the waves


when wants wishes and desires are exhausted

and free will is replaced with thy will be done

what remains


a Sage fit to be God


nothing is lost

the wave finds itself as the whole Ocean

the Sage finds himself as God


as did Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi


sure there are stages from Sainthood to Godhood

first we should strive to be saints and sages

to control the elements to do our bidding

and not be victims of circumstances


there is much good work to be done for a Man to turn into a Saint

Saints and Sages only can be called co-creators with God


God is God

regardless if we realize Him or not

[greybeard]

Hi Kriya RedeZra
Re quote from Kriya
"Except for the last bit though, as the affirmation I am God in PYs view is not a correct one. If you think of God as the ocean and us as the wave, the ocean can exist without the wave, but the wave cannot exist without the ocean. So he was not keen for us to say that we are God, rather that we are children of God."

I kind of take the middle ground on this.
I can see the sense of affirming something you want to be, to know, but cant get my head round saying I am God.
However the Enlightened Sage can honestly say " I am the totality all of it" ie God.
No ego no duality -- only God remains.
Love your poetic way RedeZra , please keep the words tumbling.
chris
Namaste

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I can see the sense of affirming something you want to be, to know, but cant get my head round saying I am God.

thats because you are humble like me lol

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

thats because you are humble like me lol

You are laughing --I am laughing.
Thats what it is all about -- people can get too serious.
I love this quote
"We make plans and God laughs"

So the more we laugh the closer we get to God in my humble opinion.

Thanks RedeZra
Chris

[kriya]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

how can it not be correct

when the Ocean is also the waves


when wants wishes and desires are exhausted

and free will is replaced with thy will be done

what remains


a Sage fit to be God


nothing is lost

the wave finds itself as the whole Ocean

the Sage finds himself as God

Hello love,

Without wishing to get into semantics, the ocean is the waves, but the 'wave' is not the whole ocean, only part of it. Therefore we are part of God and not God itself, the unmanifested absolute. If self-realized we become part of universal consciousness and manifest it physically, yes.

Love,


Kriya

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by kriya

Hello love,

Without wishing to get into semantics, the ocean is the waves, but the 'wave' is not the whole ocean, only part of it. Therefore we are part of God and not God itself, the unmanifested absolute. If self-realized we become part of universal consciousness and manifest it physically, yes.

hello love too lol

what if the wave knows it is the Ocean

[kriya]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

hello love too lol

what if the wave knows it is the Ocean

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

Love,

Kriya

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by kriya

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

Love,

Kriya

Anyone for tennis
R to serve ---- the score----Love all.

Such friends I can do with.

Love to you both.
Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by kriya

Then it knows it is part of the ocean, but not the ocean itself, because only the ocean can be the ocean.

R we going round in circles, lol.

lol dance of the dervish


the wave is hardly a part of the Ocean

it is the Ocean undulating

is it not

[14 Chakras]

We are God pretending to be limited. The enlightened sage can say "I AM that I AM, I AM the whole of it" ~ True and they should, and WE can say that too right here right NOW when we connect to our own God Prescence within.

Now that being said... there is spiritual hiearchy, we are not at the top of the pyramid by any means, the creator is at the top of this pyramid of evolutions, but there is even a bigger pyramid that extends from there all the way back to the original idea of creation - the 'no thing' that is the All Ness - infinite potentiality Now.

Point is, it is good to affirm we are Oneness, we are the Christ, the Christ speaks through us, we are One with it, we it, it is us. We can affrim this.

God's saints are those that choose to Be.

However, it is important to understand, we are One with the fullness of it, but we are very simply not the fullness of the creator or of it in embodiment.

We are an individualization of Oneness here Now. We are a Divine flame, a divine momentum within the infinity of God.

I can affirm I Am that I Am, I AM One with my Father Mother, I AM the space between the atoms, I AM Purity. But there is always MORE.

I connect to spiritual hiearchy, to Oneness, I AM Oneness, not my will but thine Be done however...

We are not the fullness of the creator, we are unique flame of the creator, and we are here to grow and Be More.

But the reality is, that my "I" is the Eye of the Creator. It is true, there are many I's, but there is only one I at the top, but there are many. We make up IS.

None of this makes linear logical sense in totality, because it is spherical Truth, non-linear.

As explained already in this thread, human words do no justice to truth, they enter the realm of duality as soon as they are spoken.

This is why we must strive for the experience of reality, the experience of Truth.

The secret to doing so: know you are worthy NOW, surrender completely, ask and you shall receive. Build the momentum. Follow the Way.

You are the Son and Daughter of God. You are the Way the Truth and the Life. This is your True identity. Seek it, merge with it, BE it.

Oneness is reality, not a belief, but reality. So experience reality. This should be our goal. Samadhi.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

We are God pretending to be limited. The enlightened sage can say "I AM that I AM, I AM the whole of it" ~ True and they should, and WE can say that too right here right NOW when we connect to our own God Prescence within.

Now that being said... there is spiritual hiearchy, we are not at the top of the pyramid by any means, the creator is at the top of this pyramid of evolutions, but there is even a bigger pyramid that extends from there all the way back to the original idea of creation - the 'no thing' that is the All Ness - infinite potentiality Now.

Point is, it is good to affirm we are Oneness, we are the Christ, the Christ speaks through us, we are One with it, we it, it is us. We can affrim this.

God's saints are those that choose to Be.

However, it is important to understand, we are One with the fullness of it, but we are very simply not the fullness of the creator or of it in embodiment.

We are an individualization of Oneness here Now. We are a Divine flame, a divine momentum within the infinity of God.

I can affirm I Am that I Am, I AM One with my Father Mother, I AM the space between the atoms, I AM Purity. But there is always MORE.

I connect to spiritual hiearchy, to Oneness, I AM Oneness, not my will but thine Be done however...

We are not the fullness of the creator, we are unique flame of the creator, and we are here to grow and Be More.

But the reality is, that my "I" is the Eye of the Creator. It is true, there are many I's, but there is only one I at the top, but there are many. We make up IS.

None of this makes linear logical sense in totality, because it is spherical Truth, non-linear.

As explained already in this thread, human words do no justice to truth, they enter the realm of duality as soon as they are spoken.

This is why we must strive for the experience of reality, the experience of Truth.

The secret to doing so: know you are worthy NOW, surrender completely, ask and you shall receive. Build the momentum. Follow the Way.

You are the Son and Daughter of God. You are the Way the Truth and the Life. This is your True identity. Seek it, merge with it, BE it.

Oneness is reality, not a belief, but reality. So experience reality. This should be our goal. Samadhi.

In total agreement with this post 14 Chakras.
Thank you for expressing it so well and so clearly.
Chris

[Indigocat]

What i am going to say has probably been said before as i have not read all that is in this thread , all that really mattered to me was the question . It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .
What i know, i know from observing and not from the study of books ,by the study of myself and other humans .

Ego to me is a piece of ones self that has given us status in our own minds , it likes to be patted on the back for what it has learnt . When many people learn the same thing they group together for strength to up hold this ego , but inside of this is a place of stillness , because ego doesn't like to be challenged .
So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Indigocat

It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .

lol nice observation


ego is a sense of security

an identification of oneself in a diverse world

it's a basket of wants wishes duties dreams beliefs fears too

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Indigocat

What i am going to say has probably been said before as i have not read all that is in this thread , all that really mattered to me was the question . It is a question that has been asked before on other Forums and strange how people can get so confused and angry defending the need for ego as they understand it .
What i know, i know from observing and not from the study of books ,by the study of myself and other humans .

Ego to me is a piece of ones self that has given us status in our own minds , it likes to be patted on the back for what it has learnt . When many people learn the same thing they group together for strength to up hold this ego , but inside of this is a place of stillness , because ego doesn't like to be challenged .

So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

Welcome Indiocat
What you say is so.
Knowing nothing is a very good place to be.

All thoughts are untrue because even before they register in consciousness they have gone through a very complex filter system in the subconscious so we are not getting even a direct experience to know. Therfore we know nothing in its pristine glory and freshness. Therfore we know nothing.

The ego stands guard at the gates of knowledge and filters out anyhing which doesnot fit with current belief system so its very difficult to "change your mind"
We look for proof that we are right ---very rarely is it proof that we are wrong that comes to our attention and acceptance.

The ego would rather die than admit it is wrong.
So that is why you are fortunate to have discovered you know nothing.
Nothing to defend.
Nothing to be right about.

There is a lot from page one on this thread that is worth a look.

Regards Chris

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Indigocat

So to me ego holds us back from the learning , as to truly learn the most it is needed to let go of the self .
So for me to say ' i know nothing ' is a freeing place to learn ,as i let go of old patterns and welcome the new , until its purpose has been served . Namaste

I enjoyed reading your post Indigocat . It conveyed a gentle flow of peacefullness ..like a soft music played on the strings of the Heart .

Thank you
Love from me
mudra

[2rivers]

Indigocat: I cannot figure out how to use this forum. I have wanted to reply to your friend request and I think that I have finally done that. I finally found one of your posts and was able to send this response. As wonderful as these forums can be, they frustrate me because reading the directions hasn't helped me much.
It seems you have been offended by someone's post to you but I can't figure it out. And I honestly don't know why you friended me. I'm glad, but I wonder what drew you to me. I saw one post that you wrote about people's attitude and behavior. It is the reason I am somewhat reluctant. People pick up on a word or a phrase that pushes their own buttons and then try to make it your problem.
I have wondered how anything cohesive can be accomplished when even the people who present themselves here cannot get along. Diversity of life is a double edged sword.
Please don't give up. Just don't give energy to the nastiness. I guess here is as good as any place to practive discernment.
I am completely alone in my life. If nothing else, this is lively entertainment. Best Wishes. I tried to post within your profile area where others have posted, but I just couldn't figure it out.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

In total agreement with this post 14 Chakras.
Thank you for expressing it so well and so clearly.
Chris

I second this Chris .
Reading through your post 14Chakras I perceived it as a joyfull breath of fresh air coming straight from the Heart we all share

Love from me
mudra