The book of Enoch, the cover up and the truth hidden by the church

[Moxie]

Do Not place your bet on the bible....
engage the Heart not the mind...

One can challenge words/names like El, God, YHWH, Allah, Lord, Jesus, Yashua/Jeshua etc etc.... the point is????

engage the Heart!
The heart knows that all people and sentient beings are of the Source, the same One source.... lost, stolen, or whathaveyou...

anyone want to argue that there is more than one source?
Is that not the real question?....

these densities and dimensions are all interesting fringe questions that engage us.. yet... truly, what is the point if there is not
Unity... is there one source or not?
That is the question...
then, if that is so

the critical question is........... ta da ...... are you unconsious?

I hope this link grounds you if your heart reads it
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf

Yes there are agendas going on... but James' message cuts through, considering that you may be utterly, if honest, lost, as what to think or believe.
Just read the interview! thank you

Take back your power... azuritepress.com

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Do Not place your bet on the bible....
engage the Heart not the mind...

One can challenge words/names like El, God, YHWH, Allah, Lord, Jesus, Yashua/Jeshua etc etc.... the point is????

engage the Heart!
The heart knows that all people and sentient beings are of the Source, the same One source.... lost, stolen, or whathaveyou...

anyone want to argue that there is more than one source?
Is that not the real question?....

these densities and dimensions are all interesting fringe questions that engage us.. yet... truly, what is the point if there is not
Unity... is there one source or not?
That is the question...
then, if that is so

the critical question is........... ta da ...... are you unconsious?

I hope this link grounds you if your heart reads it
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf

Yes there are agendas going on... but James' message cuts through, considering that you may be utterly, if honest, lost, as what to think or believe.
Just read the interview! thank you

Take back your power... azuritepress.com

Don't think that dismissing the Bible is a wise thing to do. If you'll do a bit more research you'll conclude that it is full of wisdom giving the fact you know the "secret" how to read and interpret it.

I suggest you watch these series of videos if you haven't yet done so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZ-Y...eature=channel

Hope it'll help you get a new prospective

Love and Light

[beren]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Do Not place your bet on the bible....
engage the Heart not the mind...

One can challenge words/names like El, God, YHWH, Allah, Lord, Jesus, Yashua/Jeshua etc etc.... the point is????

engage the Heart!
The heart knows that all people and sentient beings are of the Source, the same One source.... lost, stolen, or whathaveyou...

anyone want to argue that there is more than one source?
Is that not the real question?....

these densities and dimensions are all interesting fringe questions that engage us.. yet... truly, what is the point if there is not
Unity... is there one source or not?
That is the question...
then, if that is so

the critical question is........... ta da ...... are you unconsious?

I hope this link grounds you if your heart reads it
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf

Yes there are agendas going on... but James' message cuts through, considering that you may be utterly, if honest, lost, as what to think or believe.
Just read the interview! thank you

Take back your power... azuritepress.com

Moxie,
if you read carefully what James actually says you will see that he says that there is a creator and creator race.

I don`t believe everything I heard from James.

But you ask here very important question and that is why we do pay attention to certain beings.

I ask you, are you a person or a conscience?
Can people talk with you and interact with you?
Do you have a name?

Also can`t you see that creator has a name too?

Just follow the simplest logic there, the one who created all named himself YHWH meaning I AM ... meaning that he is only one that always IS and all other can be relative.

Also everything around us just screams with evidence of creator ,his unlimited force and unlimited wisdom ,power,justice and love.

One of the most finest things a man has made is computer chip and when you try to comprehend it you see it took a lot of time,thinking and actual work to get it done. Decades passed and now we have chips so small that it`s fantastic!

Also look at one single airplane .Millions of parts mutually connected in order that thing could lift of the ground and take people somewhere.

For all that someone had to invent that, think about that and actually work on that. And no one ever dares to question does an airplane has a maker who is intelligent,did just pure conscience or force or power created that plane for public use ...or SOMEONE had to actually sit down and do it from his mind ,then paper board, factory and actual putting together with labor to produce the airplane.

SO if no one dares to ask that question, how come everyone dares to question IS THERE INTELLIGENT CREATOR of the universe, humanity,Earth and other things???


Did pure conscience or source or else created Earth ,so precisely balanced in Space? Did some force created life and plants and animals and us?
Did conscience or force or source shaped all that?

Or there was a Creator who took unimaginable amount of time to think about, act and do make all that we see here and vast space and all in it?

Did some force or conscience randomly started to create or you find a mathematics wherever you turn around in Earth and Space?
Mathematics that is so superior that not all world computers and all humans together can match it?

Did it all happen spontaneously everywhere because some force just pop up and started expressing itself???

Or it was THE CREATOR ?

Questions can go on and on, answers are here, but people run away from them.
Turn around you and look at the nearest tree... If you start to analyze it ,it would take you years and years and probably you won`t know all the details connected to that single tree.

And we as humans are way more complicated than that.

We were given free will as a gift from Creator , we were given life, we were made according to YHWH`s image and he promised us glorious future as we are his children.

Stories like in this thread are misleads.
Sure you can think what you like,and believe what you wish but truth is not changed because one or every single human think and believes that YHWH is Sirian ET from 7th dimension or that we do not need to think, we need just to feel.

If we needed just to feel and on that way to comprehend universe around us, then a mind and a brain would not be necessary to humans, we`d have just hearts... but wait a second... hearts are organs in our bodies... Actual heart is IN our mind...

Point I want to make is that we have been blessed with many things and we should use it all and not sporadicly using stuff as we so please.

As for Bible and its validity... There is not a single book on this Earth which took that much scrutiny and testing to prove or disprove it.
And as long people are trying harder to disprove Bible, it goes all the way round proving itself accurate to the very word.
Whole universities are existing in order to know all connected to Bible.
Scholars after scholars are there who are living proof with their works about Bible and its accuracy.

But the problem lays in people`s ignorance. NO matter how many times you prove Bible , you will always find new Bible bashers and non believers.
That`s ok and humans have a right to do so but it does not change the fact that Bible is what it is- a word or Creator.

You can call it a lie, a mess up or worse.
But that`s just you-it does not change the fact of its divine inspiration and huge amount of facts yet to be discovered in it.

Recently I stumbled on a study about Bible and start systems in space.
Unbelievable!!!
Under our very nose you can find whole new universe of knowledge about Star systems and many other things carefully hidden in the Bible.

No wonder why Bible was and is the most persecuted book in the humanity`s history.
No wonder why Church was not allowing translation of Bible up until recent centuries...

And that famous statement again, I repeat again...BIBLE IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION...
A man has made religions, usurped some info from bible, heavily distorted it and made religions.

And that was and is huge turn off for people against Bible because they connect it with church.

Message in the Bible is as far away from Religions and churches as day is far away from night.

But again, we have eyes to see and ears to hear and mind to think and heart to understand and soul to be humans...
I always wonder why we are not using any of it now...

[Rozzy]

Actually ! Enoch is a pseudepigrapha of a late date 1st century B.C. not back to the actual time of Enoch. It is not likely the work of one author or all written at the same time. Enoch was a real man but was from antediluvian times.
There is no doubt in my mind a lot has been removed from the scriptures, sterilized, corrected, redacted and edited but 1Enoch is not one of them.
The addition of 1Enoch would certainly bolster the fear doctrines such as eternal punishment and end of the world, world burning up stuff but they would never get away with adding it to the canon.
Properly translated the scriptures do not have the eternal burn nor the complete destruction of the earth. Pre-christian Hebrews and early Christian believers never believed such things nor were taught them until the text was fiddled with and manipulated by translation manipulation and the actual switch of the entire OT from the Greek text to an obscure Babylonian text.
Indoctrination has been so thorough for so long that exposing theological biases and text tampering falls on deaf ears mostly.

[Rozzy]

On the sacred name of God (THE TETRAGRAMATION) there are many interpretations and various ideas of the same, most of them are wrong.

יהוה Is translated Jehovah, Yahweh, Yeshua etc.

First, there is no J in Hebrew, second Yahweh is a mistranslation to Hebrew and Yeshua is actually Aramaic.
The best transliteration is Yahuah pronounced Yah-oo-ah

The letter י in Hebrew is Vav, it can be a U,V or W, in ancient use the י in God's name was the u not a v or w.
The proper english transliteration of the Christ is Yahushuah which is Yahuah with shu introduced into the middle Yahu-shu-ah pronounounced
Yah-oo-shoo-ah.
Jesus seems to be a rendering from the Greek Iesus as Greek does not have a J either so the name Jesus is really from the Greek.
The name Jesus is not wrong as it is the English representation of the Christ. Where most go wrong is on the more literal transliteration of the Hebrew to English and then we get a variety of renderings. For those who want the proper transliteration it is Yahushuah.

[timetotelltheworld]

except that yahweh and yeshua are two different entities........

Originally Posted by rozzy

on the sacred name of god (the tetragramation) there are many interpretations and various ideas of the same, most of them are wrong.

יהוה is translated jehovah, yahweh, yeshua etc.

First, there is no j in hebrew, second yahweh is a mistranslation to hebrew and yeshua is actually aramaic.
The best transliteration is yahuah pronounced yah-oo-ah

the letter י in hebrew is vav, it can be a u,v or w, in ancient use the י in god's name was the u not a v or w.
The proper english transliteration of the christ is yahushuah which is yahuah with shu introduced into the middle yahu-shu-ah pronounounced
yah-oo-shoo-ah.
Jesus seems to be a rendering from the greek iesus as greek does not have a j either so the name jesus is really from the greek.
The name jesus is not wrong as it is the english representation of the christ. Where most go wrong is on the more literal transliteration of the hebrew to english and then we get a variety of renderings. For those who want the proper transliteration it is yahushuah.

[timetotelltheworld]

First you have to understand that what we are living is a multiverse not a universe..........and technology has been here the whole damn time........

http://www.youtube.com/user/notonyou...16/sxllptqVSYk

[timetotelltheworld]

this what we are living is part of not a universe its a multiverse,,,,all those feelings of de ja vu we all experience are not seeing the future guess what it feels like you have done it before because you have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLUGMWrd-AM

[timetotelltheworld]

they gave up the truth about death,,,,,,no heavan no hell just more of this with a space in between we are light energy which carries conscienceness and you have free will in death as well as life................no moral delema

YOU CAN GO ANY WHERE BACKWARDS FORWARDS ANYWHERE AND YOU WILL BE GUIDED WHERE EVER YOU WANT TO GO.......

NO MORAL DELEMA JUST MORE OF THIS

[timetotelltheworld]

THE TRUTH

2 GODS AND ITS EXACTLY THE WAY ENOCH TOLD..................HELLO
WAKE UP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQLsERqTIg&NR=1

[timetotelltheworld]

Gospel of judas which was translated by national geographic and written about by the new york times basically says


Jesus talking to the deciples.............

No one of this generation will ever get to the etherial rhelm to which jesus went


YOU CAN GET THERE BUT YOU WILL GRIEVE A GREAT DEAL FOR SOMEONE WILL REPLACE YOU IN ORDER THAT YOU CAN COME IN COMPLETION WITH YOUR GOD
AND WHAT HAVE I BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT FOR THE PAST YEAR

THAT WE ARE BEING REPLACED AND I HAVE SEEN THEM SHAPE SHIFT AND THEY ARE NASTY PIECES OF *****

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lo...pelofJudas.pdf

Its a 2009 year old alien con and what they dont want you to know is that we are cattle in every sence of the word

Eternal life in the heavans batteries for alien ships

Dont believe it read it

Why do you think they are calling it the harvest because thats exactly what it is

[Rozzy]

Seeing how Judas hanged himself at the time Christ was crucified how did Judas write the "Gospel of Judas" in the third century A.D.?

[timetotelltheworld]

Originally Posted by Rozzy

Seeing how Judas hanged himself at the time Christ was crucified how did Judas write the "Gospel of Judas" in the third century A.D.?

How do we know that it wasnt added in the 3rd century A.D. and written before he hung himself...........

and for that matter if you were to find a telephone book from the middle east say from 2000 years ago not that there were telephone books back then

how many JOHNS ......LUKES ............MATHEWS .......JAMES OR PETERS DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD FIND ANSWER """""""""""""""""""""0""""""""""""""""""Why because the greeks and others added those names later what were the real names of the deciples and how is it that the gods horas ...........dianisis,,,,,,,,,,,,attis,,,,,,,,,,,myt hra and others all had similar stories like crist answer

its a con thats been played out many many times

the bible is like the telephone game it said one thing then has been changed so many times that it no longer says the same thing it did then

what i tried to point out at the beginning of this thread

is that in the book of enoch.............which many have tried to discredit


EZEKIEL AND DANIEL ARE LISTED AS FALLEN ANGELS NOT PROFITS

and that he depicts where god lives as in a crystal palace and nasa photograpthed what a fricking crystal palace

[Rozzy]

timetotelltheworld

Believe what you want, discard mountains of evidence if you want. Anyway 1Enoch is a Pseudepigrapha amongst many, good entertainment but as for any doctrinal use it is like using Alice in Wonderland for your sacred text.

I have 1Enoch, 2Enoch and 3Enoch
3Enoch falls in with the Merkabah texts and has to be studied as a part of them which someone who is not familiar with the Hekhalot Merkabah should not induldge them period.

[timetotelltheworld]

Originally Posted by Rozzy

timetotelltheworld

Believe what you want, discard mountains of evidence if you want. Anyway 1Enoch is a Pseudepigrapha amongst many, good entertainment but as for any doctrinal use it is like using Alice in Wonderland for your sacred text.

I have 1Enoch, 2Enoch and 3Enoch
3Enoch falls in with the Merkabah texts and has to be studied as a part of them which someone who is not familiar with the Hekhalot Merkabah should not induldge them period.

and i pose this back at you HOW MANY JAMES ,,,MATHEWS ,,,PETERS ARE YOU GOING TO FIND IN THOSE TIMES IN THE MIDDLE EAST

ANSWER............................................ .. 0

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT
HOW IS IT THAT EZEKIEL AND DANIEL ARE LISTED AS FALLEN ANGELS IS THIS REALLY ENTERTAINMENT OR ARE WE WITNESSING A CON
LETS GO BACK TO ALL THE ART ALL OVER EUROPE DEPICTING CHRIST WITH WHAT ............................UFOS.................. ......Or are you so blinded by faith you not dare to stray over what your own eyes just can not accept why because the truth hurts and deep down inside you want to believe the fairy tail and the idea that you are really just cattle being led to a slaughter ..................intelectual cattle but cattle non the less that it just is too damn hard to accept...............lets look again shall we

Scroll down and look at it with your own eyes then tell me this is all a coincidence,,,,,,,,,,,,the cover up the con and the reality hurts because as i was raised a christian when i discovered it was all a lie and we are just cattle led to a slaughter it got me really pd off problem is that the human race is a bunch of sheep

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

[Rozzy]

I am not sure how to respond to such whack stuff, all i can say is good luck to you.

[THE eXchanger]

in one of the posts up above ~ it describes,
moving into the room behind, the third eye
into The Trine of The Third Eye
or, The Trinity of The Third Eye

[gscraig]

Winedeyo,

Understand that I have an interest in the "writings" of Enoch as well, simply on the premise that it is revealing of many things that the other "writings" don't come close to. I've been reading what TimeToTellTheWorld started via Enoch on another thread. Hell, I emailed the pictures he referenced regarding Jesus to a number of individuals over a year ago. However, does this "work" after we are all willing to research "ourselves" means we've solved the centuries old puzzle or only finding that which fits comfortably into what we perceive is truth or resonates? You see, the circle then begins again. That was the point of my post.

As I suggested before, hold close to your heart whatever it is you choose to believe or seek for that matter, but once you express it to others it is only another opinion being expressed...Even if what is being presented happens to be the truth indeed. The web that has been woven over time, is that tangled.
That is not talking "church" at all, and I personally refuse to do so.

Moving On
Regarding these ancient humans leaving us messages for a reason is true, and they are based upon the experiences of "their" peoples. Again, this is what I hoped to point out in my first post, based on the work I cared to do for myself.

I agree, that as more is understood and discovered about ourselves today, and the world around us, may then open new perspectives as to how to understand these particles of knowledge that remain from our past. However, nothing "new" is being presented here.

Silly me, I deleted paragraphs of information and perspective once I realized I was falling into the same cycle I am posting to help others avoid.

You guys have at it.

[happyhollergal]

I've been told by several people that I should read the book of Enoch, which if I understand correctly, is approximately 180 chapters long. I am now curious enough to take on this examination.

I would like to suggest to you, timetotelltheworld, that if you want your message to be received and considered, you may want to brush up on your writing skills a bit. It's very difficult to follow what you're trying to say here. A well thought out presentation would be beneficial to those of us who may be interested in what you're trying to tell us about the book of Enoch. I'm not trying to sound critical at all. I just think that more people might be willing to discuss this subject that is obviously of great importance to you, if you were to take your time writing, and create sentences that make sense. Good luck to you.

[timetotelltheworld]

I find it interesting that when you cant show any way to argue the points which are clear as the air we breathe you find a need to belittle and degrade.....

Points............Ezekiel and Daniel not profits fallen angels ,Crystal palace shown in Nasa Photos mentioned in the book of , enoch, grave site in isreal with Yahweh and Asharas name on it.....and just the basic info + Gospel of Judas saying your not getting there.........so be critical of grammer and try to distract from these points........but what you can try and keep people from looking at is all that art everywhere in Europe depicting Christ with what UFOs

they murdered all that i love and this is utter BS when i know that there is an almost infinate number of parallels like this one ......and no moral delema no heavan or hell......light energy which carries conscienceness and has free will what did i just describe the human soul.......

enjoy the ride to the death camps i wont be going and if im right they will regret all of this

Originally Posted by happyhollergal

I've been told by several people that I should read the book of Enoch, which if I understand correctly, is approximately 180 chapters long. I am now curious enough to take on this examination.

I would like to suggest to you, timetotelltheworld, that if you want your message to be received and considered, you may want to brush up on your writing skills a bit. It's very difficult to follow what you're trying to say here. A well thought out presentation would be beneficial to those of us who may be interested in what you're trying to tell us about the book of Enoch. I'm not trying to sound critical at all. I just think that more people might be willing to discuss this subject that is obviously of great importance to you, if you were to take your time writing, and create sentences that make sense. Good luck to you.

[timetotelltheworld]

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

Deuteronomy 2:20-21 That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

Deuteronomy 3:11-13 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? Nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Joshua 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Joshua 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Joshua 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

Joshua 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

Joshua 18:16-17 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel, And was drawn from the north, and went forth to Enshemesh, and went forth toward Geliloth, which is over against the going up of Adummim, and descended to the stone of Bohan the son of Reuben,

2 Samual 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.

[WiNaDeYo]

Dear Timetotelltheworld! I, for one, am following your thread with great interest and greatly appreciate the message you are trying to make.

I knew about the book of Enoch but had never read it until this past April at my mom's request to take a look into the Aprocrypha. What I have is called "The Secrets of Enoch" which are in a collection called "The Forgotten Books of Eden".

Now, help me, please, to understand. I have begun researching this info (for my own understanding) and found that there are 3 Books of Enoch: Enoch1, Enoch2 and an apparently less important Enoch3. Which one are you quoting?

I feel that to understand who "we" are and who "they" (ETs, Nephilim, Gods, Sons of the Gods, ets.) are (to which members of this forum dedicate so much precious time), these ancient texts are SO important... whether they be Mayan, Egyptian, Hopi, Caldean, Persian, Hindu or whatever!

I do believe that all of the most ancient peoples who have left messages for us to decifer, left them for a reason, and those of us who feel it our mission to decifer them must do just that. Those of you who do not care, or would rather have others do the work and wait for the report... well, wait then.

Thank you, Beren, Historycircus and Truthseekerdan for your valuable input.

Gscraig and Rozzy, we're not talking "church" because, as you know, these texts are not part of the "Bible" ; they are just other ancient texts to discover and decifer. No big deal unless we can learn something new, which I think we can.

Moxie...I don't see that your post was pertinent although it is always a very important message.

And, Timetotelltheworld...I have already found some really interesting research done with the book of Enoch that you haven't mentioned....but I don't want to distract the thread...maybe later when you have proven your thesis...ok?

Peace and Good Will to all of you!

[timetotelltheworld]

Originally Posted by WiNaDeYo

Dear Timetotelltheworld! I, for one, am following your thread with great interest and greatly appreciate the message you are trying to make.

I knew about the book of Enoch but had never read it until this past April at my mom's request to take a look into the Aprocrypha. What I have is called "The Secrets of Enoch" which are in a collection called "The Forgotten Books of Eden".

Now, help me, please, to understand. I have begun researching this info (for my own understanding) and found that there are 3 Books of Enoch: Enoch1, Enoch2 and an apparently less important Enoch3. Which one are you quoting?

I feel that to understand who "we" are and who "they" (ETs, Nephilim, Gods, Sons of the Gods, ets.) are (to which members of this forum dedicate so much precious time), these ancient texts are SO important... whether they be Mayan, Egyptian, Hopi, Caldean, Persian, Hindu or whatever!

I do believe that all of the most ancient peoples who have left messages for us to decifer, left them for a reason, and those of us who feel it our mission to decifer them must do just that. Those of you who do not care, or would rather have others do the work and wait for the report... well, wait then.

Thank you, Beren, Historycircus and Truthseekerdan for your valuable input.

Gscraig and Rozzy, we're not talking "church" because, as you know, these texts are not part of the "Bible" ; they are just other ancient texts to discover and decifer. No big deal unless we can learn something new, which I think we can.

Moxie...I don't see that your post was pertinent although it is always a very important message.

And, Timetotelltheworld...I have already found some really interesting research done with the book of Enoch that you haven't mentioned....but I don't want to distract the thread...maybe later when you have proven your thesis...ok?

Peace and Good Will to all of you!

enoch 1
and if you look at it all of it............it tells us a lot and people still line up to discredit it..........Jesus Christ quoted Enoch so did many others and they got rid of this book they didnt just get rid of it they BANNED IT.....BURNED IT........BURIED IT..........DESTROYED IT..........CHANGED ALL OF IT.....WHY BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING A CON STARTED 2009 YEARS AGO

And yes angels aliens same damn thing sorry but its the truth

i know many cant accept this truth but just look its everywhere

ezekiel talks about what
wheel in the sky......ufo.......also many will be imprisoned as a test to theyre faith come on........ Come on little sheep get in line for your ride to the fema camps .................the harvest is waiting

daniel....................in the end times the angels feast on the flesh of man .....................except these arent profits they re fallen angels..............this was never yahwehs plan..............its a con after they got rid of the god of man ...........not the same as the god of the universe...................he was here and they got rid of him and his wife ashara and changed history to erase him......so people would accept the con and not realize it.........
How hard would it have been 2000 years ago to convince a bunch of sheep herders on a hill side of anything considering technology has always been there...................easy ............people flying around in ufos in they're eyes = ''''''''''''''''''gods'''''''''''''''''''''''and they have been playing us the whole damn time...............but people would rather not know the truth it upsets what they have been taught and it scares them

ive seen them shapeshift my family was murdered over this **** and i will expose them any damn way i can

[Rozzy]

Originally Posted by timetotelltheworld

except that yahweh and yeshua are two different entities........

????

Yahweh = mistranslation of יהוה

Yeshua = Aramaic = ישוע

I hope that makes it so very clear that you can not possibly equate the two without knowing the difference.

Note.
Yahuah and Yahushuah are not separate entities of and by themselves but are one in that there is one God having visited us in the form of a man, that man is Yahushuah HaMashiach

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Yet another thread of humans arguing what the truth is, from a book that is proclaimed to be the truth, but yet creates so much disarray, confusion and falsehoods.

We have to first remember that the bible is a "compilation" of writings. This we all know, and we all know what "compilation means. Most of us know that there are several books of writings that was never included in the bible. As shared via another thread the following;

The Bible is a great book, but it is an incomplete body of work. There are 7 books of writings that are not included in the Old Testament and several not in the New Testament. What that profoundly tells us is that what we know from the bible is not in its entirety. Secondly those who compiled the writings for forming The Bible, also had jurisdiction over what the masses would know and what they would not know. Let that sit with you for a moment.

Each of you are engaged in the same disputes that has been engaged by thousands of scholars, priests, etc for centuries and the result has come down to what each choose to believe (hence, Religion is born). Basically, what you're doing now. All of this is derived from each of these individuals feeling like they have extracted the truth and true meaning from the bible (which is a compilation of different writings/books).

However, and interestingly enough, this dispute does not apply to the indegenous/ancient cultures (humans) on this planet such as the Indians, Africans, Sumarians, Mayans, etc. Their belief systems have absolutely nothing to do with the bible, and did not leave writings and teachings of God and Jesus for their descendants to follow/worship. Again "most" is the operative word.
Please note; historically, the people who conquers the lands force their beliefs and cultures on those conquered. Look at the American Slavery Era, and the belief systems (and names) of most of the African Americans today to better understand this concept.
It's all curious, because so much of the biblical events unfolded in an area of the planet where dark brown to brown skinned people populated/emerged and historically evolved, but yet much of those whom are depicted in the bible and as part of these events are just the opposite in appearance?
Why did God somehow bypass these other cultures and humans on the planet with his revelations for man? The teachings of Jesus? After all, they were a part of his creation too, no? Hell, the Mormons believe the dark skinned humans were born to a pale-skinned family as punishment from a previous sin of man. It is all quite unbelievably silly...in my opinion.

Our past has been so well manipulated through ignorance, misunderstanding and self serving purposes that none of us will no the truth, only what we believe personally, and believing IS NOT knowing anything. Hold whatever you choose to believe in close to your heart, but outside of that, you are only expressing an opinion.

I tire from this dispute, because NONE OF US know the answers, at the least, not all of them. Please, stop proclaiming that we do.