If New Age is evil deception, what is the alternative?

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Scarab

OK...I'm going to tackle this with my OPINION. So please don't crucify me .

i would never put someone down for their opinion. i thrive on the views and perceptions of others to help mold my own views on various subject. i thank you for sharing your points of view.

First, I think it's dishonest for people to take a few passages from the Bible and use them to justify why they shouldn't follow the words of the Bible in it's entirety. ONE common theme running throughout the book is humility and abiding by GOD's will.

Dishonest? Hmm perhaps i am being nit picky, but i disagree with that term... it may be incomplete ?

Even Jesus prayed and asked for the strength to do GOD's will and not his own (Mark 14:36)



As for the passages themselves...

The quote from John is incomplete and out of context. If you read the entire passage, you'll see Jesus was calling them out on their duplicity, not telling them they are GOD. I can also imagine he may have been mocking them a bit too for thinking they were GOD because of a single verse in a Psalm which probably wasn't directed toward them.

i have heard so many varying interpretations of this and many other quotes...sometimes it is dizzying...

As for the Genesis passages, it says we were created in His IMAGE or LIKENESS. To me that means our physical form is more or less like His. It goes on to say repeatedly that there is ONE GOD and only ONE GOD all throughout the Bible.

Creation, to me, is more then just physical form

JUST MY OPINIONS

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by Céline

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

I'd guess 'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Scarab

'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

Hence my disrespect for the church...

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by Céline

Hence my disrespect for the church...

Mine too.

[Sarahmay]

I believe that all religions on Earth at present and most New Age teachings exist to prevent our consciousness from growing and our DNA from evolving out of this place and keep us earthbound. Most are fear based, to keep our vibrations down, but some are soft words to get our guard down so we will allow reverse coding. Bottom line is we are sovereign multi-dimensional beings and while we do need to know some of the physics of multidimensionality, we don't "need" anyone but ourselves.

[Steven]

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

It doesn't matter what religion you are, nor beliefs you have, what matter is "who" you are...

Namaste, Steven

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by Steven

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

Namaste, Steven

Well said, we are indeed moving towards a new humanity, one that vibrates

higher.

[mudra]

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by mudra

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

We are as clean and clear as transparent glass, then thoughts, ideas, belief systems, concepts,constructs, stick to us, mainly the fingerprints of others.
We have forgotten how clean clear and wholsome we really are, take a look.

With love Chris

[Moxie]

Alternatives to New Age.

The only true alternative would be inclusive of all people and all beings.
It would not have a label such as Christian, Buddhist, Islam. It would not be a place to go to worship (worth ship) as God does not rqeuire your worship, your help to save anyone, for nothing is ever lost.

I cannot participate in any organized religion because by its very nature it is exclusive. As honestly as I can say this, I do not tend to Believe
who or what Christ was or is, hence the label of Christian is offensive to me because, no matter which church you are in that is Christian, it all boils down to whether or not you believe that Jesus died for your sins (the whole concept is just strange) even though I have experienced what is called being "saved" in my life. It was a powerful, spiritual, ineffable event which soon had me making a choice... to follow whatever rules were insisted by the followers of this "non-denominational" church, you know, stay away from this, that, do this, that... I left with my powerful experience, connection with my Creator (which I capitalize for distinction).

The focus for me is on the ultimate creator & giver of all life. I do not believe that I need get to God by any other person, including Christ. I do not say the name Jesus except when I swear (which is a really bad habit I know) so shame on me.

I honor the words attributed to him.

I do not believe that people need commandments in order to know how to live right. People do need demonstration bestowed of virtues such as assisting those in need, being kind & loving, and yes, giving honor to God for my life, being good stewards of the world.

For all the churches in the world that are by their nature, divisive, we have no governing bodies that have councils based on ethical considerations whether or not such and such ought to even be produced for sale in the world, that take into account all the peoples best interests, that sort of thing. Tax status, exemptions.

So yes, it is true that religions have been inserted into our societies just as new age has, I agree with that. It's also true, that when you remove Jesus from a belief system in our christian society, people are totally clueless to know what else is there.

New Age, like any other religion got twisted out of shape by the confused, groping masses that rejected conventional religions. I was one of them.
But I've realized that it is my sole life, my soul individuated, that appears to be having a private life of my own as well as a member of a body of beings in a world that is in big trouble, not being able to unite for the best of all.

So my spirituality is personal as should it be for others. I do not, for the life of me, know why it is that people need to go to a building to worship God. I wish it were not so. I am tired of divisiveness and I want the children reared with an inclusive mental perspective. Respect, love, help others, honor God the Creator of all life.

[Moxie]

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Moxie

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts

Hi Moxie,

I believe God wishes to have a divine romance with each of us, unique to the individual, as we are neither male or female and nor is God. He (not really but you get my drift) just wants our love.

Love,

Kriya

[PhiedPiper]

The "fake" New Age is certainly that. The real thing, however, is something completely different, and should never be called by that name. Materials like Matrix V can help to highlight the real difference. Those people getting caught at those mid levels are the ones bulking up the movement and making finding the real thing like finding a needle in a haystack. But the truth is still out there, we just have to work harder than ever to find it. On the other hand, at least in our modern times the truth is a lot more accessible than it ever was before.

[Scarab]

I keep reading and re-reading this thread. There are some interesting points of view.

Then I re-read the thread title:

If New Age is evil deception, what is the alternative?

Made me wonder...

What if everyone is wrong?

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Scarab

I keep reading and re-reading this thread. There are some interesting points of view.

Then I re-read the thread title:



Made me wonder...

What if everyone is wrong?

or even more wonderous.... what if everyone is right???

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by Céline

or even more wonderous.... what if everyone is right???

That would be COOL!!!

Problem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if logicians are wrong, how could everyone be right?

[beren]

Originally Posted by Scarab

That would be COOL!!!

Proclem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if we removed logicians from the equations, how could everyone be right?

We are deeply afraid beings, God is helping us to overcome fear and BE...

We sense things since we are of God though we can not explain them today, we give our best but it is a slow process.

But important thing is not to be destroyed during process of learning.
To be destroyed is a wish from Satan AKA Lucifer AKA Devil and its slaves in PTB...luckily Creator is there ot protect us with his love and truth.

So first things first, step one acknowledge that we are just humans, no more no less... We are children of God but on the very beginning of our journeys. We did not come far since Satan was stopping and slowing us down.

Second step is learning and learning and learning about love.
It is the essence of life and of creator.

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Scarab

That would be COOL!!!

Problem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if logicians are wrong, how could everyone be right?

If...(please dont forget i said if..)... reality is perception...then everything thing would be "right?....Non? hehe

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by Céline

If...(please dont forget i said if..)... reality is perception...then everything thing would be "right?....Non? hehe

I don't perceive reality as being perception.

Does the planet have gravity because we perceive it? If someone chooses to ignore gravity will they float into space?

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Céline

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

Adam represents reason and Eve, feeling. The tree of "knowledge" represents the body. Adam and Eve were divinely created and had all the power to create divinely by thought. When they decided to get physical they messed it all up. Its both their faults.

Love,

Kriya

[Scarab]

Originally Posted by kriya

Adam represents reason and Eve, feeling. The tree of life represents the body. Adam and Eve were divinely created and had all the power to create divinely by thought. When they decided to get physical they messed it all up. Its both their faults.

Love,

Kriya

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It goes on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Scarab

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It does on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.

Sorry, You beat me to it, I was just about to change that to read tree of Knowlege.

Love,

Kriya

[Northern Boy]

Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Or so we are led to believe by those that interpreted the bible . No one knows if these were the correct meanings of the original words . We are assuming they are and unless the true author comes forward to explain we are left to assume they are the original words . There is no actual proof

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by Scarab

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It goes on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.

What does it mean to eat something? Does it not mean to consume it? One can not try to have knowledge of good or evil. As soon as we start to consume this assumption then we start to put ourselves above God and judge the world, the universe and all that it contains. We just have to BE. Let God judge us and let him choose our path to redeem any mistakes or wrong choices we make. This is the number one rule. Don't Judge others lest thee be Judged.

[14 Chakras]

Gratitude for the responses and the different viewpoints.

I guess my real point in starting is that labeling ideas as "evil or good" and then classifying people into these labels based on vocabulary they use is very fruitless.

I do not consider myself "New Age" in terms of any movement or religion. However, I strongly believe that we are here Now for the raising up of planet Earth from the dark age, the illusion of separation, and back into a Golden Age where it is clear that All Life is One, and thus our victory is Won.

While I understand that fundamentalist believe it is "satan" for people to affirm the Divine within themselves, I strongly believe the opposite is the case.

What is matter made out of? What is an atom made out of? Spirit. Energy. Consciousness. Divinity. There is no where that God is not, including within humanity.

However, the ultimate law of creation is Free Will, and if humanity wished to continue to deny that God is here Now within us, then we will continue to experience another dark age and the Earth will not be raised up or healed.

Those who claim to be Jesus biggest supporters, fundamentalist Christians are most often preaching the very polar opposite of Jesus message, and they have had their day. Truth of Jesus message which is that the Father Mother lives within each one of us, and we can do the works that he did when we also remember I and my Father are One. ~ is coming here Now as the Light descends and the Golden Age begins.