Are you a part of the New Age Movement?

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Why do we seek to create differences just to argue that our way is better than someone elses way? Fundementally there is no difference in the intent behind the pathways that people follow. Let us rejoice in what we have in common instead of fighting over what we percieve we don't just for the sake of fighting. Is this not what is at the heart of the problem humanity faces?

huh?

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by arcora

huh?

Put it this way.... I can't see the difference between what Jesus Taught and what the "New age" teach when you boil it all down and get to the heart and spirit behind both teachings.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Put it this way.... I can't see the difference between what Jesus Taught and what the "New age" teach when you boil it all down and get to the heart and spirit behind both teachings.

i see.

so...just curious....

what do you think jesus taught?

[AscendingStarseed]

Religion separates God from man making him a judgmental, angry old man who unleashed Satan on us to keep us in temptation. It was created to take away the knowledge of how to experience our own powers of co-creation.

On the other hand, spirituality unites God with man as being One. Jesus came to teach us of our Spirituality and unity with God through Christ consciousness or our oneness with God. He attempted to show us our own Higher Powers of Co-Creation with the use of miracles, but Church leaders put the spin on the message and exalted Him instead of teaching us to look inside with our consciousness for God. We can all be healers, that we are our own messiah - not to look for someone outside ourselves to save us.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by AscendingStarseed

We can all be healers, that we are our own messiah - not to look for someone outside ourselves to save us.

No one on earth, except me, could have done what I did, to be The New Age Messiah. Doesn't mean I don't understand what you're saying.

But I sacrificed myself, my sacrifice was accepted, and my story proves all religions false. The fact that I was chosen validates my convictions, overall.

[14 Chakras]

To me there is a delicate balance understanding the Divinity within that is so often not achieved by those of us on the spiritual path and those of us who may considers ourselves to be 'new age'.

A key understanding for me is that there is divinity within humanity, each one of us has a literal spark of the infinite, a God Flame in our heart. Each one of us is an extension of an I AM Being that is itSelf an extension of the creator.

As Genesis states: we are made in the image of the infinite.

Now that being said, our ego is not God. Our ego is the illusion that we are separate from others. Our "I", who we really are, has fallen to the point where we have come to believe we are the separate self, rather than the co-creator that is in Oneness with All Life, unique, but in Oneness.

The point is, this is a delicate balance ~ God Lives in you and me ~ and my "I" is truly an individualization of the creator, HOWEVER, my ego is NOT!

So as soon as I come to define my ego as God, which at that point is a spiritual ego, I am just as much trapped as any one else in the world. I am trapped in the illusion of separation and I will continue to experience the fruits of separation which is suffering.

There are many paths to the infinite, but only One Way ~ the Way of Oneness.

Not my will but thine Be done, because I and my Father Mother are One.

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

No one on earth, except me, could have done what I did, to be The New Age Messiah. Doesn't mean I don't understand what you're saying.

But I sacrificed myself, my sacrifice was accepted, and my story proves all religions false. The fact that I was chosen validates my convictions, overall.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

To me the quote below illustrates the delicate balance that is so often not achieved by those on the spiritual path and who may considers themselves to be 'new age'.

Maybe one in one thousand EVER see their soul from anything other than the ego perspective, in the USA anyway.

There is no balance, there is either ego or Spirit, they fight each other for control, IF the soul EVER gets deep enough to see what's REALLY going on.

The New Age Messiah story is the greatest true story ever told, the Goddess spoke to ME, and made multiple unfathomable MILLENNIAL miracles around ME.

There is only one soul "entity" that would fight that fact, and resist the obvious truth. EGO.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

Maybe one in one thousand EVER see their soul from anything other than the ego perspective, in the USA anyway.

There is no balance, there is either ego or Spirit, they fight each other for control, IF the soul EVER gets deep enough to see what's REALLY going on.

The New Age Messiah story is the greatest true story ever told, the Goddess spoke to ME, and made multiple unfathomable MILLENNIAL miracles around ME.

There is only one soul "entity" that would fight that fact, and resist the obvious truth. EGO.

the scary thing is that some ppl here will believe you.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by arcora

the scary thing is that some ppl here will believe you.

It's true, undeniable, documented in court.

Synchronicity to the ten thousandth power.

You don't even need faith.

Only a jerk would deny it.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Put it this way.... I can't see the difference between what Jesus Taught and what the "New age" teach when you boil it all down and get to the heart and spirit behind both teachings.

Originally Posted by Initiate

I do know what I have learnt but I am not here to teach what Jesus taught. I am just voicing an opinion on why we are we arguing as opposed to what we are arguing about. As the messages to me seem the same in both camps if we ignore the dogma. The dogma is what seperates us not the spirit of the message. I would be happy to share what I know in private PM if you PM me.

so tell us...

what did jc teach about dna activation?
co-creating?
what pleaidean channelers did he promote?

btw...public is fine

and who's arguing?

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by arcora

so tell us...

what did jc teach about dna activation?
co-creating?
what pleaidean channelers did he promote?

btw...public is fine

and who's arguing?

1) DNA Activation

This is a new age concept relating to the transformation into Fully Christed Beings. In the bible the best match would be from revelation where those that are dead will be risen and those that hear the call of the trumpet will be transformed.

2) co-creating. This is a concept that we all create our reality. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do". Condeming an innocent man to death for speaking the truth. The kingdom of heaven is a footstep away. Thy will be done and not mine. If we choose our own path then we step further away from the will of god. We create our realities through the choices we make. We know not what we do by the wrong choices we make.

3) There have always been prophets receiving visions. Jesus acknowledged the prophets.

[371]

Originally Posted by Initiate

1) DNA Activation

This is a new age concept relating to the transformation into Fully Christed Beings. In the bible the best match would be from revelation where those that are dead will be risen and those that hear the call of the trumpet will be transformed.

Are you saying when DNA activation occurs we become GOD??

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Initiate

1) DNA Activation

This is a new age concept relating to the transformation into Fully Christed Beings. In the bible the best match would be from revelation where those that are dead will be risen and those that hear the call of the trumpet will be transformed.

2) co-creating. This is a concept that we all create our reality. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do". Condeming an innocent man to death for speaking the truth. The kingdom of heaven is a footstep away. Thy will be done and not mine. If we choose our own path then we step further away from the will of god. We create our realities through the choices we make. We know not what we do by the wrong choices we make.

3) There have always been prophets receiving visions. Jesus acknowledged the prophets.

now i see where we have the confusion

ok....and when did jc say he was here in peace and love?

please provide the chapter/verse

[arcora]

Originally Posted by arcora

ok....and when did jc say he was here in peace and love?

please provide the chapter/verse

heck...don't want to make you read the whole book...

just tell me what this means and which new age school of thought teaches the same

Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by arcora

heck...don't want to make you read the whole book...

just tell me what this means and which new age school of thought teaches the same

The historical context, we should recall, is Jewish culture, as Jesus ministers to his own people. He sends out the twelve disciples to the "lost sheep of Israel," not yet to the gentiles, who will be reached after the Resurrection. It is not surprising, historically speaking, that he would spread his word by proclamation to his own, by Jewish disciples. Second, he predicts that some towns may not receive the disciples and that the authorities may put them on trial and flog them. In that eventuality, they should shake the dust off their feet, pray for them, and flee to another city. Third, it is only natural that first-century Jews may not understand this new sect or "Jesus movement" (as sociologists of the New Testament call it), so they resist it. Does this mean, then, that Jesus calls for a holy war with a physical, military sword against his fellow Jews—say, against his own family who wanted to take custody of him because they thought he was "out of his mind" (Mark 3:21)?

Next, those cultural facts explain the immediate literary context, which shows division among family members. The context must be quoted in full to explain the meaning of "sword" in Matthew 10:34 (bold print):

32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household [Micah 7:6]
37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

The one key element in this lengthy passage is the word "sword," and its meaning is now clear. It indicates that following Jesus in his original Jewish society may not bring peace to a family, but may "split" it up, the precise function of a metaphorical sword. Are his disciples ready for that? This kind of spiritual sword invisibly severs a man from his father, and daughter from her mother, and so on (Micah 7:6). Given Jesus’ own family resistance early on (they later came around), it is only natural he would say that no matter what the cost, one must follow him to the end, even if it means giving up one’s family. But this applies only if the family rejects the new convert, not if the family accepts him in his new faith; he must not reject them, because the whole point of Jesus’ advent is to win as many people to his side as possible, even if this divides the world in two, but never violently.

Furthermore, we can reference the larger textual context in the Gospel of Matthew. In the Garden of Gethsemane, during the hour when Jesus was betrayed and arrested, Peter struck off the ear of the servant of the high priest in order to protect his Lord. But Jesus tells him to stop.

Matthew 26:52-53 says:

52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (NIV)

Jesus denounces violence to accomplish the will of God—at least as Peter imagines the will of God. Then Jesus says that he has more than twelve legions of angels at his disposal. He did not come to crush the Roman Empire. Instead, he willingly lays down his life and dies for the sins of the whole world. Will it accept this wonderful gift?

Context is everything. Words taken out of context loose their true meaning.

[beren]

But people tend and like to cherry pick verses, phrases ...and then to roll it our completelly different.

Satan tried that with Jesus and failed...

Example;
someone might say that Moses did this and that, he ordered slaughter, kill all ,from infant to donkey. Circumission people, ... many other things are being pulled out from the context and used for deceivement of others who do not know what they are talking about.

I say , so what?
So what do someone care if Moses or God ordered slaughter on some people then?

Or other things?

Do you know why he ordered that? Have you been there in that time?
Do you know background of that decissions?

Who are those who had to be exterminated?

People can not answer that but they argue about blood thirsty God and all other silly and not firm aruments.
For example one could feel gross when reading certain things from Old testament and they will without further investigation dismiss the thing...and tomorrow they will go and do ,say, abortion without any remorse... Or bluntly skip help to others because they are not sympathetic. And yet they feel terrible for that poor people 3000 years ago who were killed by blood thirsty god...

I say learn it first and know it first ,then claim it.

P.S.

I like you reasoning Initiate...

Originally Posted by Initiate

The historical context, we should recall, is Jewish culture, as Jesus ministers to his own people. He sends out the twelve disciples to the "lost sheep of Israel," not yet to the gentiles, who will be reached after the Resurrection. It is not surprising, historically speaking, that he would spread his word by proclamation to his own, by Jewish disciples. Second, he predicts that some towns may not receive the disciples and that the authorities may put them on trial and flog them. In that eventuality, they should shake the dust off their feet, pray for them, and flee to another city. Third, it is only natural that first-century Jews may not understand this new sect or "Jesus movement" (as sociologists of the New Testament call it), so they resist it. Does this mean, then, that Jesus calls for a holy war with a physical, military sword against his fellow Jews—say, against his own family who wanted to take custody of him because they thought he was "out of his mind" (Mark 3:21)?

Next, those cultural facts explain the immediate literary context, which shows division among family members. The context must be quoted in full to explain the meaning of "sword" in Matthew 10:34 (bold print):

32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household [Micah 7:6]
37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

The one key element in this lengthy passage is the word "sword," and its meaning is now clear. It indicates that following Jesus in his original Jewish society may not bring peace to a family, but may "split" it up, the precise function of a metaphorical sword. Are his disciples ready for that? This kind of spiritual sword invisibly severs a man from his father, and daughter from her mother, and so on (Micah 7:6). Given Jesus’ own family resistance early on (they later came around), it is only natural he would say that no matter what the cost, one must follow him to the end, even if it means giving up one’s family. But this applies only if the family rejects the new convert, not if the family accepts him in his new faith; he must not reject them, because the whole point of Jesus’ advent is to win as many people to his side as possible, even if this divides the world in two, but never violently.

Furthermore, we can reference the larger textual context in the Gospel of Matthew. In the Garden of Gethsemane, during the hour when Jesus was betrayed and arrested, Peter struck off the ear of the servant of the high priest in order to protect his Lord. But Jesus tells him to stop.

Matthew 26:52-53 says:

52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (NIV)

Jesus denounces violence to accomplish the will of God—at least as Peter imagines the will of God. Then Jesus says that he has more than twelve legions of angels at his disposal. He did not come to crush the Roman Empire. Instead, he willingly lays down his life and dies for the sins of the whole world. Will it accept this wonderful gift?

Context is everything. Words taken out of context loose their true meaning.

[Anchor]

Re: Mat 10:34

Because he came as catalyst.

(Its interesting to me that it is said this way, as it implies it was a choice he made, a mission undertaken)

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

I read this as that he set himself against the status quo of the time

A..

[371]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Re: Mat 10:34

Because he came as catalyst.

I disagree. I read it as He came not to unite, but to divide...

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by 371

I disagree. I read it as He came not to unite, but to divide...

You appear to agree with me.

A catalyst provokes/assists a reaction that results in some change of state - nothing to do with uniting anything. The sword is to put an end to the status quo that people had got comfortable with.

A..

[371]

Originally Posted by Anchor

You appear to agree with me.

A catalyst provokes/assists a reaction that results in some change of state - nothing to do with uniting anything. The sword is to put an end to the status quo that people had got comfortable with.

A..

Thanks for the explanation/definition...

I guess we are in agreement on that after all, haha.

[Northern Boy]

The New age movement is the blueprint for the one world religion according to Rik Clay those that have watched the Red Ice creations interview will know this . The Plan is to merge all the worlds religions into one Rik at the tender age of 16 figured this out and began to tell the world about his findings not long after he met an untimely death . Could he have gotten to close ? Perhaps but that would be for the individual listening to the interview to decide.

The strength of humanity has always been the ability to reason with oneself and look within to what they felt was the right way to deal with the situation at hand . In a hive mentality the response goes from preserving one self to preserving the hierarchy at the top. much like a bee hive or ant colony those at the bottom of the pecking order sacrifice themselves to protect the queen and her eggs. If we were all one who would be our leaders ? regardless of how you look at it some point some one will at some time try assert dominance over the hive and influence the decision and direction they will want it to move in. Our Strength is our individualism and the fact we have the ability to decide what it is that is best for us at any given time and to not blindly follow the one in front of us into danger or over a cliff

agree 100%

and we killed him for it...

but to say that jc's life and teachings was anything like the new age stuff on youtube would probably lead him to unsheath that big ass sword of his...imo.

WE did not kill him ,the romans did not kill him, If we are to believe the book of his teachings he was betrayed by a Jewish follower Judas and when the Jewish people (gods chosen people ) were given the option to let him live or die they choose the later. So how is it that they who condemned him to die should remain Gods chosen people ? If god were truly spiteful he would condemn that peoples to reincarnate forever with little to no chance of ever ascending .

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

The New age movement is the blueprint for the one world religion according to Rik Clay those that have watched the Red Ice creations interview will know this . The Plan is to merge all the worlds religions into one Rik at the tender age of 16 figured this out and began to tell the world about his findings not long after he met an untimely death . Could he have gotten to close ? Perhaps but that would be for the individual listening to the interview to decide.

The strength of humanity has always been the ability to reason with oneself and look within to what they felt was the right way to deal with the situation at hand . In a hive mentality the reponse goes from preserving one self to preserving the hiearchy at the top. much like a bee hive or ant colony those at the bottom of the pecking order sacrifice themselves to protect the queen and her eggs. If we were all one who would be our leaders ? regardless of how you look at it some point some one will at some time try assert dominence over the hive and influence the decision and direction they will want it to move in. Our Strength is our individualism and the fact we have the ability to decide what it is that is best for us at any given time and to not blindly follow the one infront of us into danger or over a cliff

not gonna miss you

[beren]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

The New age movement is the blueprint for the one world religion according to Rik Clay those that have watched the Red Ice creations interview will know this . The Plan is to merge all the worlds religions into one Rik at the tender age of 16 figured this out and began to tell the world about his findings not long after he met an untimely death . Could he have gotten to close ? Perhaps but that would be for the individual listening to the interview to decide.

The strength of humanity has always been the ability to reason with oneself and look within to what they felt was the right way to deal with the situation at hand . In a hive mentality the response goes from preserving one self to preserving the hierarchy at the top. much like a bee hive or ant colony those at the bottom of the pecking order sacrifice themselves to protect the queen and her eggs. If we were all one who would be our leaders ? regardless of how you look at it some point some one will at some time try assert dominance over the hive and influence the decision and direction they will want it to move in. Our Strength is our individualism and the fact we have the ability to decide what it is that is best for us at any given time and to not blindly follow the one in front of us into danger or over a cliff




WE did not kill him ,the romans did not kill him, If we are to believe the book of his teachings he was betrayed by a Jewish follower Judas and when the Jewish people (gods chosen people ) were given the option to let him live or die they choose the later. So how is it that they who condemned him to die should remain Gods chosen people ? If god were truly spiteful he would condemn that peoples to reincarnate forever with little to no chance of ever ascending .

You are right. Jews got their first portion as nation in 70AD when Romans anihilated them.

They said : "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

They were offered divine help, they refused and condemned themselves. They called it upon themselves.

Anyways ,people are the same worldwide, that is why Christ said will he find faith when he returns???

Many are called ,few are selected.
It really depend of us what will be with us.
God is streaching his hand but will we accept it???

[Initiate]

Originally Posted by arcora

now i see where we have the confusion

ok....and when did jc say he was here in peace and love?

please provide the chapter/verse

Ephesians 6:23

Peace be with you, dear brothers and sisters, and may God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you love with faithfulness.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Ephesians 6:23

Peace be with you, dear brothers and sisters, and may God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you love with faithfulness.

jc didn't say that...paul did