Attributes of the Soul Level of Consciousness

[voltron]

This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[bushycat]

Good list, Voltron. Worth reviewing as we go.

Love Always,
Bushycat

[Gnosis5]

How synchronistic! I preparing to start a series of session to subjectively explore "topography of consciousness".

Originally Posted by voltron

This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[rhythm]

Everything

I see is me ..

the mirror

of my soul ..

everything

I see... IS... ME ..

and for this

I take reponsibility...

then im free ...

no one there to blame .

no finger pointing .

no guilt no shame.

no fear no blame .

only the true identity...

LOVE.... is FREEDOM ....
i continue to learn ..

[Carmen]

When we can maintain our consciousness, our beingness on the fourth level, beyond duality, everything is brought to the 'now'. We mostly, do not live in the past or the future. Everything is 'now'. This creates, or makes us aware of a magnetism to us, or around us. The drawings in the book 'The Hathor Material' are to me a close approximation of this. Ramtha calls it a wheel within a wheel. Other people call it our 'aura'. We can feel this energy field especially when we put our minds on it.

When we can maintain this level with a degree of consistency, we draw to us (manifest) what we think about or envision, more easily. In fact, we have to be careful what we wish for, cos we will more than likely get it!

One of the greatest difficulties in moving beyond the duality of our personality/ego is that we are having to use our personalities to go beyond the personality/ego. It realizes that its losing power and is fighting for its dominance. And it aint gonna give up without a fight. This is the real Armageddon. The struggle within between our body/mind personality and our Great Self, our God Within.


Love

Carmen

[THE eXchanger]

Comparing 3rd and 4th Density Relationships
"transmitted from the Pleiadians Germane & Sasha.

3-D
3rd-Dimensional Relationships
The way relationships normally work
with us here in our 3rd dimension.

4-D
4th-Dimensional Relationships
The way relationships normally work
on the 4th dimension.

SEPARATION
Separation is only an illusion.
Separation from the God Source.
Separation from each other.
And separation from aspects of our self. INTEGRATION + REINTEGRATION

Everything and everyone are really all connected.

SECRECY

Witholding information from my partner & from myself.
With secrecy, my partner never gets to know who I truly am.. Keeps me separated from the greater portion of myself. HONESTY + OPENNESS
Total honesty with my partner.
With honesty, my partner gets to know who I truly am. Honesty means being 100% who I truly am.
I do not withold a comment or information just to avoid hurting my partner, or to control the relationship.
I can never really know or predict what will hurt another or how they will react to my honesty.
Therefore, I should stop assuming responsibility for the other person's emotions, growth, & reactions to my honest non-manipulative communications.

FEAR-BASED MONOGAMY
Through my monogamous relationship, I am "separated" from the vulnerability of having to deal with any other relationships.
Therefore, I feel "safe" (separate and safe).

RELATIONSHIPS BY CHOICE
Monogamy-by-choice or
Polygamy-by-choice or
Poly-Fidelity-by-choice.
There is no inherent "right" or "wrong" to any type of relationship: They are all inherently neutral. Any type of relationship is "okay". If I choose monogamy, this does not mean that I expect or need my partner to also choose monogamy.

CONDITIONAL LOVE
I will love you, only so long as you fulfill my needs and expectations. I will withdraw my love, if you do not satisfy me.

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
Even if you don't fulfill my needs and expectations,
I will still love you. I love you for who you are without trying to change you.

COMMITTMENT
I need committment, in order to avoid my fear of having to deal with other relationships. Committment is a 3rd-dimensional illusion. Committment never insures my security. Committment only makes me think or feel that I am secure.

BEING IN THE PRESENT
Committment would take me out of the present. I stay in the present, and I do not need a committment, because I trust that the future will take care of itself.

EXPECTATION
I want, expect, and try to get my partner to fulfill my expectations and needs. I use my partner to satisfy my needs.

NO EXPECTATIONS
I trust and have no expectations from my partner.
I enjoy my partner, but without expectations.

MANIPULATION
I use obvious or hidden manipulation so that my needs will be met, and so that I can remain protected from my own fears. I only see my partner as who I need them to be, not who they really are.

ALLOWINGNESS
I allow my partner to be who they need to be. Only then can I see who they truly are.

THE NEED TO CONTROL
I do not trust that everything that occurs is for my highest good. Therefore, I need to control and shape the relationship, so that it will take the form I wish it to be. I feel like I "own" my partner.

ABSOLUTE TRUST
I trust that everything that occurs is for my highest good. Therefore, I have no desire or need to control my partner.

RELATIONSHIP takes Precedence
to PERSONAL GROWTH
PERSONAL GROWTH takes Precedence
to RELATIONSHIP.

DEPENDENCY

I depend on and need someone
outside of myself in order to be happy. SELF-SUFFICIENCY
I recognize that I, and only I, am the creator of my own reality. Therefore, only I, am the generator of my own Happiness.

A PERSON CAN NOT FULLY LOVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
3-D emphasizes Duality.
If my partner begins to also love another person, that means he/she will have
less love for me.
(This is an illusion.)

A PERSON CAN FULLY LOVE
MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
4-D emphasizes Multiplicity.
No matter how many other people my partner loves, this does not diminish at all, in any way, how much love he/she has for me. No matter how many other people I love, this does not diminish at all, in any way, how much love I have for my partner.
My partner spending
LESS TIME with me
is not good. My partner spending
LESS TIME with me
is fine.

If I truly love myself unconditionally, then the time spent with myself is equal in value to the time spent with my partner.
I love myself as much as I love my partner.
Therefore, the time I spend alone is just as enjoyable as the time spent with my partner. Therefore, it's okay if I spend less time with my partner.

PAIN
There is always pain when I function from
the 3-D relationships "mind-set". HAPPINESS, PLEASURE, & ECSTACY
There is never any pain, only happiness, pleasure, and ecstacy, when I function from
the 4-D relationships "mind-set".

ENDING A RELATIONSHIP
creates PAIN & LOSS. ENDING A RELATIONSHIP
does not create PAIN & LOSS.
In realizing that this relationship is no longer serving us, we choose to harmoniously end it. We recognize that the relationship is going in different directions, and so we allow it to end, without any hard feelings. Only with love.

FEAR or PAIN of LONELINESS

Loneliness, like separation, is a 3-D illusion. FEELING CONNECTED
to SIGNIFICANT OTHERS.
Even if my partner is far away (in space),
or even if
I haven't seen my partner for a long time (in time),
I still feel very connected to them. Whereas separation is an illusion, being actually connected-together is the reality.

ANGER AT ANOTHER
(Externalized anger)
I am angry at my partner for not meeting my needs! ANGER AT MYSELF
(Internalized anger)
I am angry at myself for creating a reality that I do not prefer.

VICTIMHOOD
"Hurters" & "Victims"
I sometimes hurt others.
I am sometimes hurt by the comments or actions of others.
"Hurters" & "Victims" is an illusion.
There is no victimhood, since each one creates their own reality.

I CREATE MY OWN REALITY.

Self-Responsibility
Self-Empowerment
I create my own reality, and this even includes other people's reactions to my actions. I can never be hurt by another person. I can never hurt another person. Only I am responsible for my reactions to other people's comments or actions.

FEELING RESPONSIBLE for
the NEEDS of my PARTNER

My partner is seeking to have their needs met externally by me, but a person's needs
can never really be met by anyone else,
so they are bound to eventually get angry
at me, for not fulfilling their needs. BEING RESPONSIBLE for
what I would like to

GIVE to My PARTNER & our RELATIONSHIP

I am pure in my intention in my relationship.

I am 100% who I truly am with my partner.

I am responsible for what, in my integrity,

I would like to give to our relationship.

[Carmen]

Thanks for the contributions here. eXchanger, those comparisons are very true. Fourth dimentional couples are whole people hanging out together, enjoying each others company and learning. Three D people in relationships appear to be half of a whole, each one needing the other in some capacity or other! Trouble is, when one moves into fourth level consciousness, the deals off! They cannot relate to one another. The one remaining in 3D either moves also or they split.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Another experience that happens when we access the fourth level of consciousness is that we start to remember, or we have a sort of 'bleed through' of past life memory.

This can come randomly or in response to a question we may have. Some attitude or belief we have that seems not true, or our of line with our 'now' life.

For instance, I had a feeling of great relief and freedom when I went away from home. I never wanted a cell phone because I did not want to be contacted (found) and I certainly did not call often to see how everyone was at home, which is sort of normal for mothers with children. Not me, I was off and I didnt want to be found!! Also, I would have a dread of going home. Even my grown son remembers when he was with me as a child, speeding away from home and the car getting slower and slower on the return journey!!

One day, a few years ago, I asked within the "why" of this behaviour. Home was fine usually, when I did arrive home, so this feeling or behaviour did not add up. Well, I got my answer a few days or maybe a week or so later. I was looking after my young granddaughter. I spent quite a bit of time driving her places as she was missing her parents and driving was one thing that made her happy or put her to sleep!

I started having visions that lasted three days. They revealed the last life that I had had with my husband. It was a very harrowing life of having been a slave girl or lessor wife of a powerful sheik (my husband) I was used and abused, had children as a young teen and they were kept from me but used so that I would not run away. So many of the people in my life now were from that time. The whole experience was like keys in a lock, unlocking. The experience answered so many questions.

I realized that through that life a great hatred and fear was born in me that has taken many lives to reach a wisdom that could heal that life. I must have somehow chosen or disserved that life. Nothing happens by chance. The whole vision experience was soo fascinating. It enabled me to move on hugely, to understand, to grow and to heal.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Fourth level consciousness, is open and truthful. It does not worry about revealing truths about itself because it does not seek the approval of others. Fourth level entities have spent a long time digging into their own subconscious realm to find attitudes and 'stuff' that have limited them. They are unafraid of the dark because they have dug it out from within them and brought it to understanding and wisdom. They continue to do this for as long as it takes to be free of it.

What others think of us is really nothing to do with us! What we think of ourselves is what matters. Approval is an inside job. If we are constantly seeking for outside approval we are never really happy. We find ourselves living for everyone else and not for ourselves!

The funny thing is that when we do start living for ourselves and are own Inner Approval, then we do seem to be approved by those outside of us. We then allow others around us to do the same. What we give/allow ourselves, we automaticaly extend to friends and family around us. This is freedom of the spirit and is the gift we give to ourselves and others. Its a delightful prerequisite of spiritual growth and evolution.

Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Hello Carmen,

Also to contribute to that thought, in the Michael Teachings it is understood that "Old Souls" do not always have the same sticky connection to family members.

About past lives, it seems the second half of my life is one of my better career moves was making a decision to uncover more truths about myself and about this planet of people and that of course takes me into many many past lives that still needed to be truthfully reviewed and thus resolved.

I have worked out a good relationship with one clearing practitioner and together we have walked me backwards until there weren't even any suns or planets yet formed, before the "square" was invented even. Yes, it appears that circles came before squares, at least in my own part of the universe.

The decisions I made when I decided to make a distinction between unindividuated potential and actual energy producing potential brought me to here today. I am clearing all the decisions that I decided to place on automatic -- clearing the automatic function to be more exact.

The whole schema comes apart in addressing past life cycles this way and one has the potential to once again be that simple (but wiser) Pure Potential.

I shouldn't speak as if this is the way for everyone because the process I use is purely my own subjective exploration and only through perhaps one facet.

The cool part is that my hyperhistory starts before etheric bodies, before multiple dimensions (dementias) and densities and evil beings and complexity of games and social structures, bodies, all of that gets cleared away the further back I go.

The cool part is that I actually see the truth of my own participation in creating these structures and games. You know what the neatest thing is? As soon as I can see and know and own up to my part or participation in creating or continuing these games systems that is when they lose their hold on me.

I am once again free to paint a new picture with full freedom of expression.

That is of course an ideal scene because I am still doing my clearing work and I know I have not yet practically attained to full freedom of expression.

Thanks for listening and "duplicating".

love ya,
gnosis

[Carmen]

Indeed Gnosis, it is a rich tapestry we have woven and continue to weave.

[Jonah]

The decisions I made when I decided to make a distinction between unindividuated potential and actual energy producing potential brought me to here today. I am clearing all the decisions that I decided to place on automatic -- clearing the automatic function to be more exact.

The whole schema comes apart in addressing past life cycles this way and one has the potential to once again be that simple (but wiser) Pure Potential.

I shouldn't speak as if this is the way for everyone because the process I use is purely my own subjective exploration and only through perhaps one facet.
gnosis[/QUOTE]

thats very beautiful gnosis. your tone sounds familiar to me. blessings

[Carmen]

The more Clearing we do, the clearer are our views. We clean the windows of our soul!

Then we are left with the Joy of Spirit. We keep our windows clean and the sparkling Light Shines through.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Another attribute of the Soul level of consciousness is that the sexual energy that used to sit in the first seal, mostly, permeates the entire body. The body is filled with a delicious sensual/sexual feeling. One of melting Love of All that Is.

Love and Light

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Carmen

Another attribute of the Soul level of consciousness is that the sexual energy that used to sit in the first seal, mostly, permeates the entire body. The body is filled with a delicious sensual/sexual feeling. One of melting Love of All that Is.

Love and Light

Carmen

I have a friend who is a living example of that and I am speechless with wonder. We know that each one of us is quite wonderful in our own way, but so different in our paths to Nirvana. I'm sure I could use a little bit of her delicious sensual/sexual feeling instilled within myself, but the best I can manage is a large scale compassion and agonizing over what is the best strategy to gain the most leverage using the tools I have in the seemingly short time I have.

If you were going to help heal the world in the shortest period of time what group or person(s) would you work with first, assuming you can reach any group or person(s) you desire? Of course family comes first.

[powerviolence]

Carmen, from all my research, I was under the impression that 4th density life wouldn't still be threedimensional, in other words that you would ascend from this 3rd density life to a new realm that can't be seen/explained in our 3rd density terms, and that if you did stay in 3rd density as a 4th density being, you would unlock supernatural powers such as telepathy, clairvoyance, etc.. I've always believed that's what 4th density meant, that we would truly 'advance' to the next level, not just stay in 3rd density albeit very enlightened and very full of love, I thought the shift from 3rd to 4th density would be massive and radical and it would probably mean the end of our 3rd reality self, that's what I gathered from the Hidden Hand's testimony and the Law of One in which the harvest and ascension were explained, of course I could be wrong, what's your take on this?. I enjoyed your thread regardless.

[Carmen]

Thank you powerviolence (what a name), As I understand it, and have experienced to a certain degree, the mind is or can be trained to be, multi-dimensional and the different areas of our brains vacilitate this. All humans have this ability although some seem to be born with it full blown ie clairvoyance, telepathy etc. Its part of our natural progression/evolvement. The ability to healing oneself naturally is part of this higher order.

We all know of, and have experienced abilities/knowingness that do not fit into 3D. They are usually dismissed by totally 3D people, but people who have experienced paranormal abilities, even for a fleeting moment, know what they experience, no matter the naysayers. It will stay with them the rest of their lives but they usually give up discussing their experiences with people around them who are ready ridiculers.

When people ascend this plane (and this is my opinion/assumption!!) they will go, physically, to the realm that they already live in to a large extent, in mind, in consciousness. Your future reality is first created in your mind, then it manifests in the physical. Thats how it happens in 3D already, whether we are conscious of it or not. When reaching for a higher order of consciousness, we first have to understand the laws pertaining to that level, then 'Live' that Higher order as if we were already there. Sort of like 'faking it, till you make it', but that sounds dismissive because to me it is a Sacred Responsibility to evolve/improve ourselves. We were never meant to be static/set in any life. We are meant/designed to change and grow, constantly.

It can be quite overwhelming at first when we are mired in situations and lifestyles seemingly out of our control. I had a silly wee saying I say to myself when the mountain (of limitations) seems too high. Its 'Eat your elephant one bite at a time'!!!!! Works for me, and it does help to keep a sense of humour. Life is eternal. You have eternity to work on all this and whats more, (this is the bit I love to remind myself of) whatever we really, really understand and change about ourselves, we get to keep forever, doesnt matter how many lifetimes we have. What we learnt is Soul Wisdom and now part of our character.

Love and Light

Carmen

[Carmen]

Dear Gnosis (the main person who has kept my little thread alive!!) The sexual stuff is a curly question and one most people are vitally interested in!!! I was very excited when I first moved my sexual energy up the body (it shot to my head) but Im blowed if I could find 'anyone' who had had the same experience or understood to any degree what the hell I was talking about!!

My then husband was particularly upsetHis sexy scorpio wife was gone!!It really was a parting of the ways. One cannot relate physically to a mate who is stuck in their first seal, no matter how long you try. But strong energy, whether it be sexual or otherwise is a great asset to use to move towards enlightening oneself! And I do think finding a mate who is on the 'path' so to speak, would enable one to explore transcendental lovemaking.

The best way to help change this 3D world is to work on self, always working on yourself. It can sometimes seem selfish to be only doing that, but to me its the only way. Whatever anyone else is doing or saying around us is secondary to the work we do with ourselves. Eventually we will notice changes happening within ourselves, attitudes corrected, habitual behavour overcome. There will be a precious 'something' that is growing within that cannot be dismissed and really cannot be discussed. Its like a precious pearl that we guard carefully while it grows. Their is a growing confidence in what we are doing. This is reflected in our demenour (spelling!!) our beingness that others start to notice, as its starts to radiate out. I was amazed over the years watching my family change and accept the changes in me. Even my older siblings who are very asleep, find the new me acceptable.

Love

Carmen

[New Age Messiah]

I've only experienced it in fits and starts, but...

non-existence of a "self" to be protected,

non-existence of a "self" inside a corporal container

non-existence of a boundary between mind and matter

This non-existence is SO peaceful, it's like the blade of grass in its stillness.

Yet we know, within a blade of grass is teeming activity and life...

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

I've only experienced it in fits and starts, but...

non-existence of a "self" to be protected,

non-existence of a "self" inside a corporal container

non-existence of a boundary between mind and matter

This non-existence is SO peaceful, it's like the blade of grass in its stillness.

Yet we know, within a blade of grass is teeming activity and life...

That just about accurately describes what I saw and felt in the one awesome PEAT session I had.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

That just about accurately describes what I saw and felt in the one awesome PEAT session I had.

The non-being, it's so peaceful as to just not even describe it as peace, since people already conceive of peace as being something like sitting in a nice natural setting or by the fire or under a blanket.

The peace is all pervasive such that there is nothing but peace, period.

[Gnosis5]

Hello Carmen, I know a few 4D "sailors" who could take you on, lol. I'm only half joking, really, believe me. As I unlock myself out of 3D I'm starting to connect up, up the chakras too, but it has been a monogamous 4d relationship. I was being "schooled" to move the enegies up to my head. But perhaps he gave up on me for being too 3D -- yuck!!

So, nose to the grindstone, continue my self-clearing work and then perhaps I will be able to maintain a 4d relationship. Who knows I might skip a grade and start interacting on the 5D. I was told that I have downloaded or integrated quite a bit of my 9D, and I have no idea what that entails.

They never used terminology and concepts like this in Sunday School


From sessions what we were seeing about the 4D is that it used to be a heavily populated zone but we got lazy and sunk to 3D and there has been disgruntlement toward us from the remaining 4D folks who would like to bring us back into the game.

Some writers call it the former "Magical Universe" and I guess that is because in 4D a cube is really a tesseract, and time is more malleable. I've already done some time travelling when I am in a 4d mode -- the past walks right up to the present, or vice versa. Many 3d magicians and wizards operate on the 3d from their 4d viewpoint. How they do that I don't want to know right now.

I am not a technician and not a scientist, just a being who is convinced that I used to be ME, and that was a wonderful thing to be.

Originally Posted by Carmen

Dear Gnosis (the main person who has kept my little thread alive!!) The sexual stuff is a curly question and one most people are vitally interested in!!! I was very excited when I first moved my sexual energy up the body (it shot to my head) but Im blowed if I could find 'anyone' who had had the same experience or understood to any degree what the hell I was talking about!!

My then husband was particularly upsetHis sexy scorpio wife was gone!!It really was a parting of the ways. One cannot relate physically to a mate who is stuck in their first seal, no matter how long you try. But strong energy, whether it be sexual or otherwise is a great asset to use to move towards enlightening oneself! And I do think finding a mate who is on the 'path' so to speak, would enable one to explore transcendental lovemaking.

The best way to help change this 3D world is to work on self, always working on yourself. It can sometimes seem selfish to be only doing that, but to me its the only way. Whatever anyone else is doing or saying around us is secondary to the work we do with ourselves. Eventually we will notice changes happening within ourselves, attitudes corrected, habitual behavour overcome. There will be a precious 'something' that is growing within that cannot be dismissed and really cannot be discussed. Its like a precious pearl that we guard carefully while it grows. Their is a growing confidence in what we are doing. This is reflected in our demenour (spelling!!) our beingness that others start to notice, as its starts to radiate out. I was amazed over the years watching my family change and accept the changes in me. Even my older siblings who are very asleep, find the new me acceptable.

Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

I take it that is more of a list than a harmonic or gradient scale.

Originally Posted by voltron

This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[Gnosis5]

I am calling this thread "Carmen's Darshan". Someday I will decide to be a simple ascended loving being and have my own Darshan Thread :-)

[Carmen]

Gnosis, excuse my ignorance, but what's a Darshan? Not one of those little sausage dogs from Germany?

Love

Carmen