Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

I agree with Maxwell. The people are STUPID. But no only that...they know what is going on..they sometimes even partly acknowledged it (darn government all corrupted) but they ignore it. They do not care.

I do not agree with the: all is lost. NO!

At the very end he said something like: I am here to inform those that are willing to listen....to people who want to change...to help those who want to know...

So what he is saying is (that is what I think): US is screwed and most of the world also...since they do not listen...but those who do..they can be helped.

But than again...can the ignorant majority drag those who listen down with them?

The reason people are "stupid" is because they have been repeated lied to and not told the truth. They have been brain washed and conditioned throughout their lives. How can anyone expect anything different? If one would hope to grow out of the box, one also has to be willing to be alienated from the pack, who have been conditioned with a particular mind set. Given that humans are basically social animals they also look to be a member of some family, group or ideology. It is not easy walking away from those ties that bind and venture out into new realms of exploration. Almost all of the great thinkers were ridiculed in their own time. Even those who supported them were also considered kooks. So to say the majority are ignorant.. whose fault is that?

Humans are also subject to amnesia - repeatedly. It is this outside interference that has slowed down growth and development. Once the truth is out there then perhaps the newest generation and will take the information and run with it. The older generations will likely be stuck in their old conditioning and it would be much more difficult for them to adapt. This is of course referenced in the most general of terms as there are many in the older generations who are much more aware of the truth then those of the younger generations. However, I would suspect that generation X is the most lost as the dumbing down process was pretty much fully integrated within their lifetime due to media control, failing educational institutions and with both parents working so that the additional "elder" knowledge was not passed down from parent to child.

[mntruthseeker]

Carol, you make a very good point. Also, we must remember the children that are being born today, already have much of this knowledge and it will be in our favor

They are already running with it as so are we.

The ones that are sleeping still, as you say have a form of amnesia.......it may not take much to open their minds

Besides look at all the help we are now getting from our friends all over the universe. Its what keeps me going

Originally Posted by Carol

The reason people are "stupid" is because they have been repeated lied to and not told the truth. They have been brain washed and conditioned throughout their lives. How can anyone expect anything different? If one would hope to grow out of the box, one also has to be willing to be alienated from the pack, who have been conditioned with a particular mind set. Given that humans are basically social animals they also look to be a member of some family, group or ideology. It is not easy walking away from those ties that bind and venture out into new realms of exploration. Almost all of the great thinkers were ridiculed in their own time. Even those who supported them were also considered kooks. So to say the majority are ignorant.. whose fault is that?

Humans are also subject to amnesia - repeatedly. It is this outside interference that has slowed down growth and development. Once the truth is out there then perhaps the newest generation and will take the information and run with it. The older generations will likely be stuck in their old conditioning and it would be much more difficult for them to adapt. This is of course referenced in the most general of terms as there are many in the older generations who are much more aware of the truth then those of the younger generations. However, I would suspect that generation X is the most lost as the dumbing down process was pretty much fully integrated within their lifetime due to media control, failing educational institutions and with both parents working so that the additional "elder" knowledge was not passed down from parent to child.

Carol - is that a female name? I like the name...

To the post...

If a drug addict comes to me and starts with his story about how life is hard...how he never intended to do it...but it was just so strange and school and peer pressure...love, party and the troubles at home...and how he will quit be he just needs one more shot to keep him going through the day...

I will tell that addict to F**** O***** Or I might just say he is stupid...

If a zombie comes to me and starts telling me about this great TV Show and about the football game he saw last week and about all the girls he "imagined" was with and how would he do celebrity girls and how he needs a smoke and some coffee and how life sux and how he will get a loan for this new fancy car and how will the weather be in two days and how and how his ex girlfriend was giving him "tests" to see if her subconscious can evaluate him as a good father of their children and how he dumped her since he deserves better...etc

Guess what I will tell this person the same thing as to the addict.


There is no difference. Both do it knowingly. Both know what they are doing. Both know they are lying to themselves all day...every day...

I am not often rude. So FO might not always be the choice...but I have no sympathy.

How can I do that, how can I know that?

During my age from 7 to 15 I had ALL the "required conditions" to become both...an addict, a zombie, a delinquent minor, suicidal teenager...etc But I did not. I have myself to thank for that. No one but myself.

An than after the age of 15...how does one call that...the years of hell. As a child...I could take so much. I am still amazed by that. I was able to "absorb" all the turmoil.....rather fascinating

"There is no mercy for the ignorant"

Would I be willing to help them with what I can? Sure! IF they would shut up and listen...

People do not forget...they ignore and choose not to acknowledge.

and yes...they are stupid...

but by today modern standards and social norms...heh so am I...under average even... ( to them)

EDIt:typo...

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by Carol

The reason people are "stupid" is because they have been repeated lied to and not told the truth. They have been brain washed and conditioned throughout their lives. How can anyone expect anything different? If one would hope to grow out of the box, one also has to be willing to be alienated from the pack, who have been conditioned with a particular mind set. Given that humans are basically social animals they also look to be a member of some family, group or ideology. It is not easy walking away from those ties that bind and venture out into new realms of exploration. Almost all of the great thinkers were ridiculed in their own time. Even those who supported them were also considered kooks. So to say the majority are ignorant.. whose fault is that?

Humans are also subject to amnesia - repeatedly. It is this outside interference that has slowed down growth and development. Once the truth is out there then perhaps the newest generation and will take the information and run with it. The older generations will likely be stuck in their old conditioning and it would be much more difficult for them to adapt. This is of course referenced in the most general of terms as there are many in the older generations who are much more aware of the truth then those of the younger generations. However, I would suspect that generation X is the most lost as the dumbing down process was pretty much fully integrated within their lifetime due to media control, failing educational institutions and with both parents working so that the additional "elder" knowledge was not passed down from parent to child.

Hi Carol, I have to respectfully disagree with the entirety of your post. I can certaily appreciate where you are coming from, however whereas I agree that the dumbing down of society is certainly an ongoing historical agenda, your argument is missing the most crucial factor, and that is choice!

Why are people ignorant? Why are people in debt out their ears? Why are people obese? Why are people entranced by the various forms of media, culture and technology that slowly erode their freedom? Why do most people pursue low paying, non-technical, useless degrees in college? Why do most people sit instead of act? Watch TV instead of exercise? Why do most people believe instead of asking questions? Why do most follow instead of lead? Why do most acquiesce instead of taking charge? How many of you were in the public school system? Do you really believe that the kids sitting all around you sleeping, joking around, passing notes and cheering with excitement when they achieved D's on their tests were somehow brainwashed and victims of some evil system? In my experience they honestly didn't give a rat's ass and no one was going to make them! Their parents likely chose misery and irresponsibility as a way of life then unwittingly (sometimes wittingly) handed it down to their kids.

Let me give you a list of questions and you tell me how you think most people would answer?

1) What is better for you, TV or exercise? How much of one do you do versus the other?

2) When was the last time you engaged in a local assembly to write laws that affect your community and then march down to your congressman's office to make sure he got it in?

3) What's better for you, fast food or fresh fruit and salads? Water or soft-drinks/beer? Pre-prepared foods versus fresh foods you have to cook? What percentage of one do you consume versus another?

4) How much of your mental/physical/spiritual/fiscal energy is spent on the things you/your children want as opposed to the things you/your children need? Do you need the new car, bigger house, swimming pool, season tickets, new clothes/shoes, bigger TV and cable package, computer, lawn mower etc? Do your children need more games or more exercise? More reading or more TV? More Burger King and ice cream sandwiches or more whole foods?

We all know how these questions will be answered, however the statistics speak for themselves. You don't have to tell people what is good for them. They KNOW what's good for them... they just choose differently. That's not a conspiracy. It's fact.

Why? Because #1 it's EASY! And #2 any problems resulting from the above behaviors will eventually be taken care of by someone else... i.e. someone else will take responsibility for me. Doctors, lawyers, loan officers and credit card pushers, overnight pills, lawn services, spas and massage parlors, 24/7 news coverage and every other possible service to substitute for responsibility. You want it? You got it! Culture of luxury! Thank you, drive through!

Did the PTB give us exactly what we asked for? You're darn tootin' they did. They made it easy to choose easy! How did we ask for it? We watched it, ate it, bought it and designed our communities around it. Do you really think (as examples) "news" corp (i.e Fox Entertainment), McDonalds, AT&T, the US Congress et al, the crummy educational system, Bank of America and whatever else you want to throw in there would exist if we didn't allow them to exist? Do you think ignorance, size 6XXX pants, cancer, dirty water, chemtrails, debt or anything else are things that happen to people or do you believe that people vote these things into their lives either through the argument-acceptance model (complaining and doing nothing), outright acceptance and/or acquiescence? These can't exist without our support. We co-created it. Further, it's so much more FUN for the PTB to bait us and watch us drool like Pavlov's dogs. Their power comes from our choice! To paraphrase a fable... the vampire and devil must be invited into your home. Your choice empowers them.

Unfortunately, our support is damn easy these days since we have deferred all responsibility to someone else. Make a fancy logo, run it across a happy meal box, pay it lipservice on the Bill O'Reilly show and stage a big parade sponsored by Bud Light. Yay America! Land of the free? Home of the brave? Where's my cheetos?

The truth has always been there. The choice has always been there. The bible practically spells it out (although I would argue the number of Christians who have actually read the bible is extremely low... see above). Temptation of the sinner (debtor) and the journey through pain (commerce)... just make it easy of yourself Jesus (temptation to take on sin or debt)... or live to die on the cross (die on the ledger/ be poor) and be reborn of the spirit free of sin (free of sin/debt, creditor/sovereign). The saying goes: give them cake! Not force cake down their throat.

A-MER-I-CA = No-Mercy-to/for-Sheep. Are you the sheep or the shepherd? Remember the Shepherd (biblical reference)!

My intention here is not to judge, merely to be emphatic. Judgement (in a negative sense) is the denial of responsibility and it's not my intention to go down that road, for I could have been the soul who changed the paradigm had I lived up to my highest potential. My only judgement here is: people must need/want this experience because that's exactly what they have asked for. The unfortunate part is, many simply choose not to see what they are inviting through their doors... but that revelation is quickly coming in my opinion.

Please let us not make justifications for the choices we and others make. Let us instead be born again - to transmute our experience into one of responsibility... to turn water into wine; lead into gold.

Love is responsibility. Responsibility is love.

Namaste!

[mntruthseeker]

I had the bible shoved down my throat day after day growing up and If you are saying that we are to believe what is written I would have to disagree

we all know that it has been re-written to go with TPTB's agenda.

I was taught how to turn my back on my neighbor if he didn't believe in the same religion as I did. I was taught it was a sin to have inpure thoughts of another person. I was taught it was a sin to put a white table cloth on my table as it represented a bed sheet. I was taught that wearing patten and leather shoes was a mortal sin as I was "tempting" some boy. I was taught that kissing a boy in a laying down position was a mortal sin. This started when I was 4 years of age and went on through my teen age years.


Should I go on ? Guess what I believed all that. We were tested all the time on these beliefs..............So as Carol so pointed out.........yes we were deffiantely brainwashed.

I didnt have a choice in any of this.........I believed it with all my heart

Its hard to let go of these feelings and for someone to grow up figuring they were already going to hell its no one they turned to drugs or alcohol

I'm surprise that I managed to have that god awful thing called sex and have children.

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I had the bible shoved down my throat day after day growing up and If you are saying that we are to believe what is written I would have to disagree

we all know that it has been re-written to go with TPTB's agenda.

I was taught how to turn my back on my neighbor if he didn't believe in the same religion as I did. I was taught it was a sin to have inpure thoughts of another person. I was taught it was a sin to put a white table cloth on my table as it represented a bed sheet. I was taught that wearing patten and leather shoes was a mortal sin as I was "tempting" some boy. I was taught that kissing a boy in a laying down position was a mortal sin. This started when I was 4 years of age and went on through my teen age years.


Should I go on ? Guess what I believed all that. We were tested all the time on these beliefs..............So as Carol so pointed out.........yes we were deffiantely brainwashed.

I didnt have a choice in any of this.........I believed it with all my heart

Its hard to let go of these feelings and for someone to grow up figuring they were already going to hell its no one they turned to drugs or alcohol

I'm surprise that I managed to have that god awful thing called sex and have children.

I'm not Christian nor do I hold that anything in particular is truth, for the only truth is in the experience. Outside of experience, all things are neutral - we give them the power over our hearts and minds through imbued context. You seem to be creating a negative archetype of the bible and chritianity based on your particular experience. As a point, where in the bible does it say that the things thrust down your throat are true? Is it the bible or the interpretation of the bible by those in your experience that you feel victimized by? Is there a way for you to take responsibility for these negative occurences? If so, how? There is always a way. I believe that we bring these into our experience for various reasons. Certain catalysts are experienced by our own design (pre-incarnate).

You always have a choice. The odds were certainly not in your favor at the time and I can definitely sympathize with this. Yet, you are a perfect manifestation of your perfect experience. One day we may all realize that everything comes from love one way or the other. Hard to accept, however I am learning that this is true little by little, day by day. My struggle now is to take responsibility for it in whatever way I can, starting with healing it then leaving it behind - not becoming a victim of it. As Tolle says, you do not have to carry your life story with you for it is not who you are.

Spiritual truth (that is spiritual experience) is in all things. The bible is no exception. I tend to align with the commercial interpretations of the bible, however like many spiritual documents, it has multiple layers of meaning as well as multiple layers of disinfo. These are for the individual to iron out for themselves.

I'm not pushing the bible. Merely stating that people who call themselves Christians rarely read the bible - that's what the reverend/pastor etc is for. Just another deferment of responsibility.

In any case - not my intention of offend. Love to you.

[beren]

The truth has always been there. The choice has always been there. The bible practically spells it out (although I would argue the number of Christians who have actually read the bible is extremely low... see above). Temptation of the sinner (debtor) and the journey through pain (commerce)... just make it easy of yourself Jesus (temptation to take on sin or debt)... or live to die on the cross (die on the ledger/ be poor) and be reborn of the spirit free of sin (free of sin/debt, creditor/sovereign). The saying goes: give them cake! Not force cake down their throat.



You just told one of the most important things here!



Sometimes a trumpet can blow beside ears but no one would hear...

I am sick and tired of people like Jordan Maxwell and others ,though I politely listen their threads and videos where they spill out their "knowledge" about Jesus, Bible , Yahweh(Jehovah),Lucifer,Demons, Angels............................................ . you name it... They didn`t bother even to read the Bible and then speak about it. But they are , oh so full of knowledge, they are light carriers, they discovered truth in their rants and works but it is usually that they discovered hot water.
If you noticed , when they speak about something , they always jump from theme to theme, from topic to topic and they throw at you a load of information which is usually **** and lies or lies mixed with some truth so it looks convincing . When you ask them straightforward question they mingle around like a snake ,avoiding answers , but then they ask you a question (self defense)!!! And here and there and you lost it about what you wanted to ask them in the first place.
That is why I always say : READ the Bible and you will find the answers there! READ it if it takes several times , whatever is not clear, write it down as a note and you will have an answer to that later, when you re read it and when you start connecting dots.
But one thing is sure , we are fighting powerful forces, invisible to our eyes but very real. We are powerful but blinded from the start . So few of us ever learned that what you sow ,that you reap! Most of us from day one didn`t taken the responsibility of our acts and that is why we still continue to have problems.
Remember the story from Eden;
When Creator asked man why he did eat from the tree, he said that woman that HE gave him made him to eat! Then creator asked woman why did she ate? She replied that snake told her so... THERE WERE no responsibility!!! Everyone was blaming the other!

That is why one of the most important things Jesus taught people is to grow up! To finally grow up and take responsibility! There is no religion to take care of you, there is no system to take care of you ,there is no anything in the universe to take care of you IF you do not want to take care of yourself... HELOOOOOO

[mntruthseeker]

OH LOL LOL I am only saying that "ideas" are planted at an early age and we "believe" in them

I know that all that they taught me is false and I am living for the "today" of things.

I also know that in my immediate family there are so, so many, that still believe in all this BS. I call them the brainwashed ones that never grew out of that phase of their lives.

So I understand what Carol is saying about the brainwashed people on the earth.

I am not bitter as I managed to get through all this. I think what they did was a terrible injustice but I have certainly moved on.........



I have to wonder if the addicts, killers, rapist, sex-offenders..........are here to show us a lesson ? We live it or we view it.

I am not offended in the least. I happen to think that the things Jordan pointed out about religion was for the most part true. I just can't speak on the mythology aspects. Religion is a mind control form of making money.............a corporation just like Jordan says

[orthodoxymoron]

I had a terrible thought. I really like Jordan...but what if the special task he was told about...is to tell the human race that they are $crewed...and that there is nothing they can do about it? The Draconians, Annunaki, and Sirians would like that message...wouldn't they?

Also...Manly Hall wasn't exactly a saint...was he? I believe that he was brilliant...but I just wonder how many 'brilliant' people will come to the conclusion that if you can't beat 'em...you might as well join 'em...and work to convince the 'stupid' people that resistance is futile?

I think that it would be in everyone's best interest (including the reptilians and greys) to rally around Constitutional Responsible Freedom. But if they don't see it this way...my conclusion is the following:

Better Dead Than Rep!

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm going to leave my comment above regarding Manly P. Hall...but I just watched a lecture of his on Google...and was quite impressed. Is there a way that all of the secret and esoteric stuff can be completely divorced from satanic rituals, instigating wars (and financing both sides), enslaving the stupid masses, etc, etc, etc? It seems like just about everything is a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation. The nicest people can turn out to be the biggest jerks. The most holy institutions can turn out to be the deepest pits of hell. Noble wars to free an oppressed people...can turn out to be all about drugs, oil, and money. The list goes on and on and on and on and...

[Phtha]

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Also...Manly Hall wasn't exactly a saint...was he? I believe that he was brilliant...but I just wonder how many 'brilliant' people will come to the conclusion that if you can't beat 'em...you might as well join 'em...and work to convince the 'stupid' people that resistance is futile?

[TempestGarden]

I just finished watching the entire interview and something at the end Jordan said really stuck out and resonated with me. He simply stated that "people don't care" about all of this stuff, by and large.

Honestly, I gotta tell ya... since I began my awakening, this has been, without a doubt, my biggest obstacle. No matter who I have talked to about this sort of thing, basically everyone that I talked to that didn't think I was a complete "whack job" just simply did not care, in any way, shape or form. Everywhere I look, and for years before my awakening even began, there are people everywhere that just DO NOT CARE, period. If it doesn't affect their immediate lives or the lives of their families in any way that you can prove to them, they don't care at all and/or don't have the time to care. Apathy in general has been a huge problem plaguing the United States for many years now, but I think it's worse than ever nowadays.

I think this more than anything is what worries me about the future of the human race. The majority of the population seems to be defined by their apathy. I used to think that human beings were sadly, defined by their fears. I no longer think that. I now feel that our apathy towards, well just about everything is what is the main cause of the majority of our problems and I really don't see a way around this. How do you make people care about something??

[eleni]

Tempest- I prefer the Release Technique over LOA but that's me.
http://www.releasetechnique.com/what-is-releasing
I have heard that Dr. David Hawkins actually got his *stuff* from Lester but I don't know how true that is.
http://www.veritaspub.com/ anyone know?


I do agree that we are working with magnetics here and the reason why these lower vibrations are drawn to our planet is because of the consciousness level the masses are vibrating at. Think of it.....greed, war, porn, junk food, destruction of ecosystem etc; etc; it's no wonder negative factions behind the powers the be are said to be the one's in control.

Solution- raise your own vibration and DO NOT buy into their systems or the products created by their systems as much as possible.

They are not more powerful than YOU!

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

I am presently watching the video link you provided. It is most interesting. I'm liking what I'm hearing. Thank-you. Most of what I've heard regarding Hall is second-hand. I recently watched the following video which featured an examination of Manly P. Hall, and the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles (which was founded by Hall...and which I have driven by thousands of times). http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+dc+symbolism# Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

I have mixed feelings regarding the Masons, the Vatican, and believe it or not...even the Nazis in the 30's (but certainly not in the 40's). I think all three thought they could deal with the ET's without getting burned. I just think that negative ET's have deceived people and organizations for thousands and thousands of years. The United States of America seems to have fallen for negative ET deceptions as well.

I just want a Solar System Exorcism...and I'm hereby calling for all groups and factions...human and non-human...to exorcise all hard-core malevolent beings (human and non-human) from this solar system. If this does not occur...then I would have to agree with Maxwell's verdict at the end of the interview.

A man was asked, 'which is the biggest problem in America...ignorance or apathy?' The man snapped, 'I don't know! And I don't care!' This is probably more of a problem than the malevolent ET's and corrupt elites. We the ignorant and apathetic people had better wake-up...and wake-up fast. It's a lot later than we think. It's almost too late...but there is still time. Conduit Closing.

[Phtha]

Glad you like the Manly Hall vid Ortho.
Actually, at 30:15 in that video Manly gives the answer to the problem of the sleeping masses of people and to Jordans verdict at the end of his speech. There is nothing to worry about.

Manly wrote a book back in 1928 called Secret Teachings of All Ages. Jordan claims it was his own research that made zeitgeist possible, but if you read Manly's book it can't be denied that everything Jordan talks about is in the book, the whole script for Zeigeist is from Manly not Jordan, period.. The Sun birth, Sol Om On, the comparison of religions... you name it, and Manly explains it in much much more depth than Jordan.

Ortho have you read any of Blavatskys' works? I've read Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, and Occultism of the Secret Doctrine. She is amazing, her works are so in depth that it is hard to believe they were written by one person. Many new agers and Christians try to paint her as Satanic.. yet nothing could be further from the truth. It's like those people who refuse to believe 9/11 was an inside job. Blavatsky has nothing against true Christians, she mentions this in her own writings, she just explains where the religion really came from, and today's rank and file Christians were not meant to know of it and thus refuse to believe it.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

[14 Chakras]

Blavatsky was the first to bring forth new information to the masses. It helped break the barrier of traditional fundamental Christianity being the only outer option in spirituality. Prior to that the only times higher truth was sought was in secret societies. So for that, her work was successful.

However, with all life, free will is the key. Although Blavatsky was sponsored to be a messenger by the heavenly masters, she was not enlightened and had her own illusions which led her to share some truth, but also some untruths. Her work is a mixed bag.

The original masters that sponsored the work however, are the real deal: El Morya, and Kuthumi.

Of course, the same issue is ran into nowadays, people can claim stuff comes from the masters, but can just as easily be a mixed bag or all from lower forces.

That's why discernment is key.

P.S. My understanding is that Manly P. Hall was a student of Saint Germain

[beren]

Interestingly enough Blavatsky was speaking things which even nowadays are sounding mysterious and somewhat tangling to ears. But that is the case when you mix truth with lie. A lie itself can not bear the load but when mixed with a bit of truth then it can pass... the more of the truth in some lie and voila! People listen. Also this pops in me as a question; we as humans have in our very core a writing of truth and we resonate with it, on high frequency. A lie is totally opposite frequency and does not resonate with human. BUT when you mix lie with truth ,the more truth you pour in lie ,more the people will open their ear to hear what you actually speak. Their sensors are beeping that something is wrong when a lie is mixed with truth but this new mixture has a part of truth in it so we consciously say:"nah- gotta be the truth...it sounds well..."But still unconsciously we detect even a 00000.1 % lie !

That was a divine gift to a man from creator. Sadly we do not use it often today.

[Phtha]

Yes Blavatksy does share some untruths that are proven now, but it wasn't intentional, she was writing on such a vast subject. I believe she was enlightened, certainly much more then 99% of the rest the world at that time lol. Her mission was Truth, nothing more nothing less.

As for free will, put this video to 49:45, Manly makes what I consider a very deep point on free will, but you have to listen until 52:40ish to get his whole point. I've come to the same conclusion he talks about. Yes we have free will, but most use it to build a cage around themselves, because they choose not to follow Divine laws.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=manly+p+hall#

[14 Chakras]

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

[beren]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

I get what you say. But think of this theme on this way:

She got some unknown facts, lies, truths and revelations from...??? whom???
very suspiciously ...
But as she was in awe status towards that entity which revealed certain stuff to her she then believed totally that she got something very important to share! I don`t blame her for that nor anybody else. I just question WHO is the source of the revelation?

In new testament ,I think Paul or John wrote that we should test every spirit so we can see is it a deceiver or not. Remember that also Satan quoted Bible to Jesus in order to trick him. But there were some fighting between them...
Point is anyone can claim anything but WE have the ability given from God to test every spirit to see does it resonate with truth or not . A kind of inner scanner if you like.

Also the word Christ. Or Christians.
the meaning is basically Saviour or messiah or the one who is holy, the one who is shining with truth , love, wisdom and divine power.
So when you call someone a CHRISTIAN , do him/her resonate with the meaning of the term? Or is it not that? Jesus and Bible never mentioned Catholics, Orthodox,Protestants,Mormons,Adventists,Jehovah`s witnesses, Baptists.... Bible mention a people who wish to be as Jesus was and is -CHRISTIANS- that means people who are ,or at least trying honestly to be holy,wise,caring,saviors to other people by their words and deeds .

[14 Chakras]

For me the saviour is not a guy, it is a conscisouness. I personally think that those who go to church and call themselves "Christians" typically have it wrong nowadays. It is not about being a nice guy, or trying to live a good life, then you die and 'go to heaven'. That is deception really, the deception is that the matter realm and the spiritual realm are seperate, in reality you can be in the consciousness of 'heaven' here on earth while you are in a body, and this is the path that Jesus came to demonstrate.

It is about being "reborn" in consciousness as Jesus continually spoke of. He wasn't here to show us how special he was, that is how human egos have interpreted it, that's because it takes away their personal responsibility to be the Christ as Jesus was the Christ. He came to show us how special YOU are.

We are meant to remember who we are beyond the matrix and be One with with our higher Self, the I AM, the Father, as Jesus demonstrated. This is the true path.

Beliefs are beliefs, and they keep the matrix well fed and happy. Truth is beyond belief, you experience truth when you surrender your illusions of separation and know reality is Oneness.

Although Bladvatskey was not perfect, Ptah has a point, she was significantly more advanced consciously than most, and certainly than your average preacher. She did bring forth some value.

The point is she did not fully channel her works, they were inspired, but she wrote them. So they are a mixed bag because of her own consciousness.

That's no different than any other person on this earth. All of us have illusions, all of us have darkness and are suseptiable to being used by dark forces as long as we have the ego. We can transend the ego, and be reborn as Jesus continually told us we needed to be, because truth is beyond the ego, and it is truth that will set us free.

But most are unwilling. Many are called few choose. Do you?

[beren]

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I am. You are right . Jesus is a last effort from God father to return us to sanity. But many choose not to listen what he said continuously . Remember his own words that when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine. But in order to get the divine life in the future we got to grow up. We are capable of many great and superb things but with this mental status of minds around the globe right now... hmmmm

I think old testament is basically kinder garden and elementary and finally high school . When Jesus came he basically said: "Ok guys now is the time to go on college." Now is the time to really grasp towards responsibility and learning about who and what you are. To drop all bonds of slavery and all that stuff.

Did we grew up so far?

Masses didn`t , few did.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by beren

when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine.

Here's the trick. YOU ARE JUST AS DIVINE AS JESUS CHRIST WAS!

You just need to remember. Your ego is blocking the Way.

Jesus message was that you can do what he can do, that YOU are the Son of God, if only you would remember and surrender your own illusions of seperation.

Jesus was not the doer, it was the 'father' / higher Self / consciousenss within that was the doer. YOU HAVE THIS SAME FATHER WITHIN YOU.

So the question is, will you be the second coming of Christ by "letting this mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus" or will we continue to pray and wait for something outside of ourselves to come back and fix everything for us (which ain't gonna happen imo).

[beren]

Here's the trick. YOU ARE JUST AS DIVINE AS JESUS CHRIST WAS!

You just need to remember. Your ego is blocking the Way.

Jesus message was that you can do what he can do, that YOU are the Son of God, if only you would remember and surrender your own illusions of seperation.

Jesus was not the doer, it was the 'father' / higher Self / consciousenss within that was the doer. YOU HAVE THIS SAME FATHER WITHIN YOU.

So the question is, will you be the second coming of Christ by "letting this mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus" or will we continue to pray and wait for something outside of ourselves to come back and fix everything for us (which ain't gonna happen imo).



Exactly!!!

But also when Jesus was here physically he did ,beside talking great truths to us, real physical manifestations of God -father. Also we need first to remember as you said all those things and to really change as he called us to change into ones who we really are by divine gift. When we change ,THEN God will change this reality and save this planet, but only the ones who opened their eyes will have a chance on it... many are called , few ,responded ,(are chosen)... Just as Jesus did also real life miracles , he did it to show what the God father and he will do in the future...

First comes inner change and realization and blessings and love and wisdom and else from God ... then the reality comes.

[14 Chakras]

Jesus words:

When the Christ comes back, don't look for it here or there, don't look for it in the mountains, or underground, or on the spaceships, because I won't be there! That's because:

The kingdom of heaven is inside of you.

It's not about the separate being that was Jesus was or is coming back to earth and fixing stuff and rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys, that's not the second coming of Christ. That is perpetuating the age old illusion that God does not live in you, that you don't have the power, that you need something from outside of you to fix your own problems and your own planet.

The lesson we are here to collectively learn is that God does indeed reside within us, and when we realize this truly and that God resides in all things, we are reborn into our divine Being, as an individualization of the One.

So imo, we should not be expecting Jesus to come back, rather we should be expecting to embody the consciousness that Jesus embodied and Be the Christ as Jesus was the Christ. It really is about remembering, seeing through the veil. God already is inside of you. Under the darkness, you are infinite light, so it's about surrendering the darkness, taking off the mask is all we have to do here...

that's my take