To Anchor: The Crumblng Foundation

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by Carol

As for the crumbling foundation... that happened in full last December when this site went subscription. It's over, get over it. What is left are those who choose to share themselves with others and keep on learning what we can, while we can and while the internet is still viable.

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

[Carol]

KathyT... many have expressed your sentiments which are now being expressed to the choir who continue to remain and post. Unfortunately, the choir director could care less and is tone deaf.

[FIIISH]

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

This is how many are on Avalon at this time:

Currently Active Users: 220 (30 members and 190 guests)

For comparisons sake, this is how many are on Divine Cosmos right now:

Currently Active Users: 66 (9 members and 57 guests)

I guess Divine Cosmos is no longer viable?

[mudra]

Originally Posted by KathyT

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

I don't know if the forum will die but I do agree with you Kathy that paid subscriptions should be lifted .Funding for B&K is a necessity that I am sure would meet wider success by the installation of a paypal button and free donations and why not as you say advertising. Free access to this forum would create the abundance that would fullfill the expectations of many . We could all profit from this Bill&Kerry included.

Love always
mudra

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mudra

I don't know if the forum will die but I do agree with you Kathy that paid subscriptions should be lifted .Funding for B&K is a necessity that I am sure would meet wider success by the installation of a paypal button and free donations and why not as you say advertising. Free access to this forum would create the abundance that would fullfill the expectations of many . We could all profit from this Bill&Kerry included.

Love always
mudra

The character of the forum would change back - back to the pre-sub chaos. You will need a very high moderator to poster ratio - perhaps as high as 1 in 15!

There was a huge thread that ran the cyclic arguments around a few times when the announcement was made that it would go subscription.

A..

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Anchor

The character of the forum would change back - back to the pre-sub chaos. You will need a very high moderator to poster ratio - perhaps as high as 1 in 15!


A..

Anchor I was now going to wish that the massive cue that is waiting outside Avalon's gate would throw away their reluctance to pay for their subscription and join straight away .
Do I have to hold back from this ?

Love always
mudra

[Karen]

Originally Posted by KathyT

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

I have spoken to Kerry on the phone about getting rid of the subscriptions - it's NOT going to happen. Bill and Kerry are adamantly opposed to any kind of advertising. So yes, let's all get over trying to tell Bill and Kerry how to run THEIR projects. They have heard all these suggestions 1000 times over. If a person does not stand firm in their own personal integrity then what do they have?

The donate button has always been there, but did not bring in enough income. I tried suggesting and really getting behind an all out fund-raiser effort like commercial-free NPR (National Public Radio) runs. That was the first time I spoke with Kerry on the phone, and it got an emphatic and repeated veto until I changed the subject to other business to be covered.

I don't agree with all the doomsaying that this forum is going to die, and I very much object. I've watched the numbers go up and down and right now participation is increasing. No doubt winter in the Northern Hemisphere will bring more people indoors and to the computer. Anyone who asks for a free subscription can have one. karen@projectavalon.net.

Here's some stats on new registrations.
September 2008 -----3643
October 2008----------1424
November 2008---------557
December 2008---------432
January 2009-------------341
February 2009------------275
March 2009----------------371
April 2009------------------332
May 2009-------------------273
June 2009------------------235
July 2009 ------------------ 252
August 2009---------------223
September 2009 ---------325

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Karen

I don't agree with all the doomsaying that this forum is going to die, and I very much object.

Be reassured Karen,

This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
....
....
....

LOve Always
mudra

[bushycat]

Originally Posted by mudra

Be reassured Karen,

This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
....
....
....

LOve Always
mudra

Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto, etc, etc., etc.


Love Always from me, too,
Bushycat

[Kulapops]

Good luck NB if you leave, good luck if you don't! I've read a few of your posts, don't remember them explicitly, but I know you like to speak your mind and have good strong views. I'm all for doers. If doing is leaving the forum, great. If doing is coming back, what the harm?

Either way of course, it's pretty difficult to have an impact on the fate of the forum or subscribers in any other way than posting.

As Jester says,

"We are the Ground Crew"

That will always be true, whether you are here or not, you will still be one of the ground crew.

I left for a while, when the subscriptions went to pay (I was one that didn't agree with paying... but it was probably more like sourgrapes at paying paypal (!) ). But I did tune in occasionally (like Carol is doing now it seems - way to go girl!) . I can't recommend it enough. When this Swineflu raised it's head, I just had to subscribe to say my piece. I wasn't going to let $5 or Paypal get in my way...

Since then I've enjoyed a few posits on different topics.

My view on subscription then is that - Crikey anyone who 'can't afford' $5 is not being honest with themselves. Especially when you see how much these topics mean to them. I mean, are we talking five large mars bars here versus the state of the world and the universe and everything as we know it !

I decided not to pay... not because I didn't think Avalon was run right (like I could do better ? hee hee) but because there's only sooooo much time you can spend talking about this stuff... then I have to get off my butt and dooo something.

(like hoover the house and do the dishes piling up.....)

I wish you well on your journey NB... but like The Eagles sang.

You can check out any time you like.... but you can never leave

cue guitar

K