09/18/09 Webbot Cliff High with Veritas Show

[Northern Boy]

Had i know this was not released thru mel I wouldn`t have posted it I have apologized to mel . Cliff just did a show the day before with Jeff Rense i believe it is on the site somewhere don`t blame mel for protecting his work he has to eat just like you do . Bandwidth is not free and he does a quality job his shows are second to none out there and from what i have heard going to get better

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Had i know this was not released thru mel I wouldn`t have posted it I have apologized to mel . Cliff just did a show the day before with Jeff Rense i believe it is on the site somewhere don`t blame mel for protecting his work he has to eat just like you do . Bandwidth is not free and he does a quality job his shows are second to none out there and from what i have heard going to get better

No need to apologize Northern Boy. I know you and because it came from YouTube, I would have thought it was fair game. However, my issue is wit those who insist after I have already notified them of the copyright violation.

In all honesty, I would love to do this for free if I had all the money and time in the world. The reality is that I don't. How many of you have heard Kerry say that she may not have money to pay next month's rent? Do you think that's a great position to be in?

As Brook well stated, until the paradigm changes and money is not an issue, I have to do things this way. I have to remove myself from the business that supports my family and I, in order to do the show. I have to pay to have someone replace me and I have to pay for the products and services needed. Believe me, this is my passion and I think this is what I was intended to do and would more than love to do it for free, but I can't.

Cheers,

Mel

[Angel in Disguise]

I fully understand your position and wonder if there is anyway we can all brainstorm to get it out to the general 'sleeping' population and make you more profitable at the same time?!?!... I would love to help your cause, any ideas???

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

I fully understand your position and wonder if there is anyway we can all brainstorm to get it out to the general 'sleeping' population and make you more profitable at the same time?!?!... I would love to help your cause, any ideas???

I have an open door policy and welcome all ideas. That is why I offer a free subscription to anyone who can help transcribe. I'm sure brainstorming would be a good start.

Best,

Mel

[BROOK]

I'm just glad to be part of show by membership...it was great hearing how you handled that interview with Sanni Ceto....WOW....not many could have handled it that well...that could have been a great disaster...but you were sooooo good...OMG... how you did that I have no idea..but great job

[Angel in Disguise]

Hmmm. If we went viral with your radio shows via facebook etc and asked for donations, do you think you would make more? Or are people to cheap to donate for something that awakens them to what our small society already knows which you elaborate on extensively?... I find your radio show to answer a lot of questions that saves me the time in explaining to people who don't have a clue. Nonetheless we never pay attention to those that care and look out for our best interest yet we always have respect for those we do not know who validate that which those who love us have always been saying... Does what I am saying make sense?... It does in my world and when people hear things I have been saying forever from an unknown sourse it's then and only then that they jump on the bandwagon and gain so much respect for what has been revealed.

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

Hmmm. If we went viral with your radio shows via facebook etc and asked for donations, do you think you would make more? Or are people to cheap to donate for something that awakens them to what our small society already knows which you elaborate on extensively?... I find your radio show to answer a lot of questions that saves me the time in explaining to people who don't have a clue. Nonetheless we never pay attention to those that care and look out for our best interest yet we always have respect for those we do not know who validate that which those who love us have always been saying... Does what I am saying make sense?... It does in my world and when people hear things I have been saying forever from an unknown sourse it's then and only then that they jump on the bandwagon and gain so much respect for what has been revealed.

Unfortunately, we tried that. I did the show completely free for six months. I asked for donations and a few kind souls came forward. However, it was not enough to keep things going. We're already on Facebook. Believe me, I've benchmarked and the current scenario seems to be working fine within the current paradigm.

Best,

Mel

[Vidya Moksha]

Mel,
we have exchanged private mails on this. I wanted to say publicly I apologize for posting the videos, they are on you tube and I didnt read your previous posts, i just searched for the interview, found it, watched it, enjoyed it and posted the link. I guess its maybe naive to assume that people posting to the net checked the copyright issues. I shiver at the word lawyer though, its too much into the **** system most of the world subscribes to. I prefer to take a more karmic view of things. If I have erred in posting these videos I do apologise again, know the universe will sort me out for my crimes
I have now read this thread and I am just too weird to contribute anything sensible. I am the person who gave my farm away, gave all my stuff away, gave up a paid job, spent years years writing a book to freely give that away. I have no 'home' and few 'things'. I dont run a radio show and I have a great life. There is much to be said for freedom of movement. There is truth in the cliche that you get back what you give in life. I survived 6 months in India with $10 in my pocket. Looking back I had a great time, but was I worried at all? Of course, Im not so enlightened yet. I usually find the universe waits till the last minute to put you on your path, just to test the faith
Its equally true to say there has to be an exchange of energies. It is ok to charge money. Its ok not to, it will come anyway (maybe not in the form of money and maybe not from the person you are dealing with, but you will get it back, whatever is it you put out. Although this is never in your mind when you are dealing with the world)
I have been outside of all media for 6 of the last 7 years, and I will be outside of the system and all media and internet again soon, so I wont subscribe to any more things on the net. I did subscribe to PC because I learned many things of benefit to me and it was a way of saying thank you. I will stop coming in here so often as it is becoming repetitive and the negative subject matter is too draining for me. Back to my hole in a few weeks.
We dream our our future into the present.

Nice interview with cliff, the best I have heard yet. Keep up the good work.

[Thunderbird]

Hey Mel,

i want to be clear here. I am challenging your model, NOT you or your value system or your hard work.

I WANT you to be making tons of money from the work you LOVE doing. thats what i do. granted i dont make TONS of money yet, but i support a family of four, homeschool my kids, and my wife doesn't work at a job trading hours for dollars.

I LOVE your interview style and scope.

I DONT pay to be here. I came here Helping Bill and Kerry and i am a whistleblower but have not yet shared my story to anyone here. I had just finished a great year of consulting and offered my services to BIll and Kerry for pretty much nothing. They didnt like my model as it involved selling products through joint ventures. they are strictly NO SELL ANYTHING. so i said ok. but i helped them start the newsletter (which could be a HUGE profit center if they cared to do so).

I Believe (i want it to be so) that your show should be for free. It will get you more money and fans. i want people to have access to this vital info. I would be happy to share some model ideas with you about how to make that happen AND take care of your family.

I Like the cut of your jib AND i believe you are business minded and see the bottom line. so shall we see if we can find a solution that meets all your needs and provides the basic service for free?

PM if you like and we can exchange skype info and i would be happy to meet with you for free and discover some revenue streams that are right around you.

AGAIN, i really respect you, your vision, and your work. I think it is vital, and more people should be doing it. Balls to the wall you deserve respect for gettin off your a$$ and contributing to the awakening. That in and of itself earns you top accolades in my book. AND I respect your needs and agree that you should be able to make enough money to meet your needs.

I do what i want and am beholden to no one save the creator. I take clients only when im inspired to and live the life of my dreams. I AM working on a special project right now for myself that everyone will see next year. and most all of my clients I never charge for, but rather partner with so that if profits are made, i get paid. this makes it free essentially.

since i have spent years slaving away as it were in the corporate sector, and waiting tables, and fire-fighting/emt, and lifeguarding i REALLY enjoy the lifestyle i have now and have been able to BE MYSELF, which is vitally important for me.

I speak my mind, talk dirty sometimes, and generally have no class (though i turn it on when i deem it really necessary). I apologize for my rudeness and rough around the edgeness. i hope you can attribute it to my character rather than my soul and see the value i possess.

namaste homey.
-Xavier Hawk

P.S. check out my music if you'd like at xavierhawk.net
im workin on giving it out for free for download.
AGAIN- you rock. keep up the momentum. do your thing. If you want to explore some cool sht give me a shout.

[Thunderbird]

P.S. i just thought about this.... LOL

i guess i AM a freeloader!

I generally dont go to concerts, festivals, or conventions unless i am getting paid or invited as VIP.

ironically i never download pirated music, ALTA reports, or movies.
i actually DO pay for all of that. lol.

but yeah for the most part if im gonna give a place my energy i get paid i dont pay.

nature of my medicine.
-X

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

Mel,
we have exchanged private mails on this. I wanted to say publicly I apologize for posting the videos, they are on you tube and I didnt read your previous posts, i just searched for the interview, found it, watched it, enjoyed it and posted the link. I guess its maybe naive to assume that people posting to the net checked the copyright issues. I shiver at the word lawyer though, its too much into the **** system most of the world subscribes to. I prefer to take a more karmic view of things. If I have erred in posting these videos I do apologise again, know the universe will sort me out for my crimes
I have now read this thread and I am just too weird to contribute anything sensible. I am the person who gave my farm away, gave all my stuff away, gave up a paid job, spent years years writing a book to freely give that away. I have no 'home' and few 'things'. I dont run a radio show and I have a great life. There is much to be said for freedom of movement. There is truth in the cliche that you get back what you give in life. I survived 6 months in India with $10 in my pocket. Looking back I had a great time, but was I worried at all? Of course, Im not so enlightened yet. I usually find the universe waits till the last minute to put you on your path, just to test the faith
Its equally true to say there has to be an exchange of energies. It is ok to charge money. Its ok not to, it will come anyway (maybe not in the form of money and maybe not from the person you are dealing with, but you will get it back, whatever is it you put out. Although this is never in your mind when you are dealing with the world)
I have been outside of all media for 6 of the last 7 years, and I will be outside of the system and all media and internet again soon, so I wont subscribe to any more things on the net. I did subscribe to PC because I learned many things of benefit to me and it was a way of saying thank you. I will stop coming in here so often as it is becoming repetitive and the negative subject matter is too draining for me. Back to my hole in a few weeks.
We dream our our future into the present.

Nice interview with cliff, the best I have heard yet. Keep up the good work.

Vidya. Nice post. I too get a bit weirded when I watch the 3D world try to cling to it's modus operandi.

As the next few years unfold, I'm certain there will be more and more situations where those who have abandoned the old ways of greed and manipulation, will find themselves in conflict with those yet to do so.

Not saying that's the exact situation here, but I'm seeing more and more of it, and when I ask around, people who are moving up the ladder mention feeling the tension which is building from the results of the separation of viewpoints. Leaving 3D is probably a bit like a rubber band in a certain way. the more you move away, the more it stretches and builds energy potential meant to snap you back into "reality". But if you just take one more step when the tension is greatest, the rubber band snaps and you're free.

If you then come back at a later time, it just feels weird to interact with the old world and it's ways. Kind of like trying to put a straight jacket back on. When you didn't know there was the condition of "no straight jacket", it didn't seem so bad, but once you've freed yourself to any significant degree, you just can't go back to being comfortable in it.

With regard to this specific incident of Mel interviewing Clif, and the results being made freely available even though Mel's intention is to restrict access to those who pay for it, I'll offer my opinions for perspectives sake.

Nobody is wrong. There are just different perspectives. Mel does a good interview. He speaks clearly and deliberately, he thinks through his questions and researches what would be good questions, and even I believe, likely answers from the guest so he can prepare follow up questions. His audio is of good quality. He maintains a good flow, without interruptions. His site is attractive and obviously has taken lots of work to create, with functional add ons, like the flash player, etc. Mel is correct in claiming his copyright, if he chooses to do so. I'm not sure whether he requires guests to relinquish THEIR rights to repost interviews of theirs with Mel elsewhere.

The other perspective, which will always be at odds with the Old paradigm think of "what's mine is mine", and I'll need due consideration if you would like to share what's mine. Knowledge can never be otherwise than free for all. A specific recording of an example of that knowledge can be owned, but not the knowledge contained. You can own an mp3, or pdf, but not the knowledge contained. People who object to restrictions of the sort Mel imposes, probably object to the restriction of knowledge, and could care less really about the ownership of a recording. There is no question of Clif High's knowledge and it's value. But once the knowledge escapes the attempt to control it's egress, It's like the proverbial cat out of the bag.

Mel has the right to do what he does, and to charge money for his hard work, and excellent product. There is still enough old paradigm viability left for it even to continue to be a going concern for a while. And Mel is correct in saying that anyone who doesn't want to pay for his work, can forego listening to it.

Personally, I find the business model repugnant. I see the providing of a teaser, and then ending the free portion with a self stated "cliff hanger" to be manipulative. That model will change or die. It can't be otherwise. But each has their own choice. Mel has the choice to use this model, and retain any rights to his product, and those who object have the right to step around it and continue on their way.

I find the offer to others to do their own shows kind of specious. Not the least of which reason is that whistleblowing of the "I've got a secret" type is dead on arrival now, and actually serves the PTB more than those who are attracted like they would be a car accident. Alex Collier's talk in LA this weekend gives a good summary of why that is.

I don't lump Clif High into that category, because he is painting a picture of the new world these days, and simply uses his predictive linguistics work to identify the land mines and cow patties along the way to the new world. And to borrow one from Kerry, "I must say" that Mel's interview with Clif was very well put together and extremely informative. Well done Mel.

[franciejones]

Lawyers are expensive I imagine

[swordsmith]

Just curious, did Clif get paid for the interview? Does Mel own his side of the interview (ie the questions) and Clif's answers as well? Are both inputs Mel's intellectual property? If Clif does not get paid for the interview I guess it could be seen as being an advertisement for his work....yet Clif's work made me listen to Mel,( whom I had not done until now) and Mel would not have a show without Clif either.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from the above , just looking at the"I'll scartch your back..." loop but it does indeed make me more interested in what Thunderbird has to offer. I am intrigued, it's good to hear you having a life of abundance on your own terms. It certainly affords one more generosity.

I think redice creations does a good job, they have long and in depth public access interviews and if you are a member you get more info but not of the cliffhanger type, it's just more in depth. Henrik's interview style is also very informed and unintrusive.I think he has influenced a few current interviewers.
Also Conscious Media Network seems to be fine with their system, those that want to/can afford to pay for the site and yet it is open to anyone. It seems to have found a balance that way.

It just seems kind of untrusting and a scarcity based mental construct to have to start talking lawyers .

[franciejones]

Oops. double post

[waitinginthewings]

Even in a free world (ie new paradigm) there is an exchange of "something"
We enjoy the benefits of Mel's hard work, quality of production etc., the monies he has to spend to make it happen. So how then can we exchange with him in return for him offering us the interviews.

Most of us are still trapped in 3D whether we like it or not. That means "money" is the method of exchange. In my opinion, until something changes with the networks, I can't see another way atm to do business. Believe me I'm just as eager as the rest of you to get off the money grind, but I also know that we are not all progressing at the same speed.

Perhaps a little patience & love is needed to support each other while a complete transition takes place.

Just my opinion

[waitinginthewings]

Mel: Recently I have been feeling jaded from the "whistleblowers" so called testimonies, mixed with disinfo. Its the same old....blah....blah. If it leaves the listener confused and uncertain as to whats the truth, then whats the point in listening to them anymore.

So, I think most of us know enough now to move forward & lets start turning the tide to a more positive approach.

So Mel.....I am asking you to consider interviewing some people who have already started the new paradigm......whether it be new communities, new sources of energy....whatever it is. I just know there are many unsung heroes (groundcrew) out there who need a opportunity to share their work with the world & to give hope to all. So, imo. now is the time to start a new journey.

What do you think Mel.

Thank you for your hard work.

[manticore]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Mel: Recently I have been feeling jaded from the "whistleblowers" so called testimonies, mixed with disinfo. Its the same old....blah....blah. If it leaves the listener confused and uncertain as to whats the truth, then whats the point in listening to them anymore.

So, I think most of us know enough now to move forward & lets start turning the tide to a more positive approach.

So Mel.....I am asking you to consider interviewing some people who have already started the new paradigm......whether it be new communities, new sources of energy....whatever it is. I just know there are many unsung heroes (groundcrew) out there who need a opportunity to share their work with the world & to give hope to all. So, imo. now is the time to start a new journey.

What do you think Mel.

Thank you for your hard work.

I know exactly what you mean. One has to be very careful with disinformation.

Actually, what you propose I have already started. It has nothing to do with whistleblowers, but with people who are not that high profile but who have great knowledge and wisdom. Take Pane "Astralwalker" Andov as an example. He has the most popular thread on this forum. No one wanted to give him the opportunity to be interviewed and I did. It is a 4-hour show and it is still one of our most popular ones (still holds the time record).

Cheers,

Mel

[Debi5]

I think Mel is one of the better interviewers.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i enjoy the veritas show , i stumbled on it on google video so i get to listen to interveiws that are many months old but the information is timeless. i have no bank account so will have to wait for cliff to do his next radio interview in october or whenever it is..

perhaps time is short for him (webbot) if they start censoring the net ect. i understand he only may have till around the end of theyear.. anyway ill try and get a friend to do the trnasaction for a few months subscription..

i like the format of veritas radio..

[manticore]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

i enjoy the veritas show , i stumbled on it on google video so i get to listen to interveiws that are many months old but the information is timeless. i have no bank account so will have to wait for cliff to do his next radio interview in october or whenever it is..

perhaps time is short for him (webbot) if they start censoring the net ect. i understand he only may have till around the end of theyear.. anyway ill try and get a friend to do the trnasaction for a few months subscription..

i like the format of veritas radio..

Thanks for your understanding pineal-pilot-in merkabah. By the way, I love your avatar and username.

Yes, let's all write down important IP addresses (just like we write telephone numbers today) in the event someone pulls the plug on the internet (Senate Bill S773 wants to do just that).

Cheers,

Mel

[manticore]

Originally Posted by Debi5

I think Mel is one of the better interviewers.

Thank you Debi5!

All the best,

Mel

[Sarahmay]

This was a great interview with Clif, and well worth subscribing for. Thanks, Mel.

[manticore]

Thanks sarahmay.

All the best,

Mel

[Tango]

Welll, Mel Fabregas, Your a hell of a salesmen...

I give You my word; I'll NEVER, Never ever listen to anything You ever

put out again... But, You've inspired Me... I'm going to go over to RMN Radio

Right Now and give them 100.00... N'know why, cause Raye doesn't DEMAND.

Come to think of it... I'm going to give George, a 100.00 too...

You keep 'Paying it Forward' buddy.

Have a great show in the future...

Verry trooly,

Tango

[manticore]

Hello Tango,

Are you paying $5 per month on this forum or are you in for free because you contribute in other ways? I ask because I also have a FREE SUBSCRIPTION offer for those who do something for my movement too. It's called reciprocity. Here's the laughable part. You disagree because I charge $5 a month, when you are here paying $5 a month to argue your point. Why are you not upset at Project Camelot for charging? They need to survive! That's why. And people who are here on this forum understand it. So, aren't you contradicting yourself? No one is forcing you to be here (paying) nor forcing you to listen to my show (paying). You have options: Pay or contribute with value. Now, that's a fair arrangements in today's paradigm.

Oh, and don't forget that RMN and others survive on their commercial sponsorships. Without commercials, donations don't go far, as expenses come back every month. You should know that.

Happy trails buddy!

Mel

P.S. I could post many e-mails like the one below, but I won't. One is enough to convey the message. It's refreshing to see most people truly get it!

Mel,

I sat up till 12 last night listening to the Cliff High interview. I have heard them all and this was one of*his best ones ever. Why? Because you LET THE MAN TALK. Most interviewers can't resist jumping in and breaking the rhythm of their guest. I learned a lot and was also excited to hear you ask questions that I myself have been dying to ask the man. I cannot get over how many times this genius has been interviewed and he patiently answers the most mind numbing questions you can imagine from the worst interviewers I have ever heard. I am a carpenter by trade and also an herbalist and if I can tell someone sucks then there is a problem. You don't suck.
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Don't let people here upset you. You have every right to charge for your time, it's time spent away from your family and other activities you could be doing, but instead you are bringing these shows to people you will never meet and helping put information out there so we can train ourselves to distinguish between disinfo and information we can use. I personally appreciate it and have subscribed.
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Thanks