We are not one!

Swanny · 08-31-2009, 08:39 AM

krystal there are some horrible people on this planet that have no respect for anything or anyone else, do you really believe that if those people stop eating meat they will suddenly stop being evil? Can you say that all the people in the vid you just posted are meat eaters? Maybe some are veggies?
And do you think that people that eat meat are evil?

krystal · 08-31-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

krystal there are some horrible people on this planet that have no respect for anything or anyone else, do you really believe that if those people stop eating meat they will suddenly stop being evil? Can you say that all the people in the vid you just posted are meat eaters? Maybe some are veggies?
And do you think that people that eat meat are evil?

I truly believe that when we stop eating meat we have a deeper compassion for all living beings and eventually it becomes impossible for us to act in a way which would harm another being... It's like a great awakening, a deep sense of being at one with all other beings.... I purposely chose the title of this thread being the opposite of how we feel when we realize that all beings are worth saving no exceptions because we are really ONE! and it's not good to harm part of who we really are, with the utmost love and compassion for everyone.

Swanny · 08-31-2009, 08:53 AM

I feel exactly the same but I do eat meat.
Eating meat doesn't mean I disrespect other animals, I thank them for the food they have provided me and am happy for the life they got to live.
You think every soul that visits this plane chooses to only live a life free of pain? We choose to live lives of good and bad to experience all sides of everything.

krystal · 08-31-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

I feel exactly the same but I do eat meat.
Eating meat doesn't mean I disrespect other animals, I thank them for the food they have provided me and am happy for the life they got to live.
You think every soul that visits this plane chooses to only live a life free of pain? We choose to live lives of good and bad to experience all sides of everything.

I doubt it very much you feel the same as someone who doesn't buy their food from a morgue or uses their body as a cemetery that cannot be possible....

Do some research on Voodoo and witchcraft etc.... why do you think they sacrifice animals, use eggs and chickens in their rituals to attract positive power????? It doesn't take much intelligence to figure those simple things out... From a totally different angle, carrying death within you and hatred can only attract evil not good and cause fear in your lives.

Malynda · 08-31-2009, 09:08 AM

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this has just turned into a pi$$ing contest...

After seeing the comment below, I think you nailed it, dagon. I had such high hopes I was going to learn something new. There's still hope I suppose.

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Originally Posted by krystal

I doubt it very much you feel the same as someone who doesn't buy their food from a morgue or uses their body as a cemetery that cannot be possible....

Do some research on Voodoo and witchcraft etc.... why do you think they sacrifice animals, use eggs and chickens in their rituals to attract positive power????? It doesn't take much intelligence to figure those simple things out... From a totally different angle, carrying death within you and hatred can only attract evil not good and cause fear in your lives.

Not all witches sacrifice animals. I can only speak on witchcraft because I have researched it well. And it does no good to stereotype a whole group of people. I still don't see why you are all for eating plants but seem to regard them as less than animals. I think this whole planet has been created equal, heck the universe for that matter.

dagon · 08-31-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by krystal

I doubt it very much you feel the same as someone who doesn't buy their food from a morgue or uses their body as a cemetery that cannot be possible....

Do some research on Voodoo and witchcraft etc.... why do you think they sacrifice animals, use eggs and chickens in their rituals to attract positive power????? It doesn't take much intelligence to figure those simple things out... From a totally different angle, carrying death within you and hatred can only attract evil not good and cause fear in your lives.

I use masturbation in my voodoo and warlock rituals. the energy release is much more exciting. save an animal I say,

dagon · 08-31-2009, 09:13 AM

sorry about that .. I may have just killed the thread...

Malynda · 08-31-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dagon

sorry about that .. I may have just killed the thread...

Naw I'm just laughing my a** off right now after that.

krystal · 08-31-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dagon

I use masturbation in my voodoo and warlock rituals. the energy release is much more exciting. save an animal I say,

Yes, now you are really showing your level, so do not compare yourself with me or other Noble Beings!

Malynda · 08-31-2009, 09:16 AM

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Yes, now you are really showing your level, so do not compare yourself with me or other Noble Beings!

Can you tell me who all these Noble Beings are? What you believe constitutes a Noble Being as you see it please?

krystal · 08-31-2009, 09:25 AM

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Can you tell me who all these Noble Beings are? What you believe constitutes a Noble Being as you see it please?

Yes, sure "Noble Beings" are those who live a Noble Life with love and respect for all living beings those who have an awake and aware conscious of love and kindness for every living being including an insect as All Lives are Precious... those who respect their body as the temple of God or Higher power whatever one wants to call it.

Malynda · 08-31-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by krystal

Yes, sure "Noble Beings" are those who live a Noble Life with love and respect for all living beings those who have an awake and aware conscious of love and kindness for every living being including an insect as All Lives are Precious... those who respect their body as the temple of God or Higher power whatever one wants to call it.

Thank you. So basically the only difference between you and I is that I eat meat (maybe once a week) and have not yet started to grow my own food so therefore I am not a "Noble Being" living a "Noble Life"?

Swanny · 08-31-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Malynda

Thank you. So basically the only difference between you and I is that I eat meat (maybe once a week) and have not yet started to grow my own food so therefore I am not a "Noble Being" living a "Noble Life"?

Yea sorry Malynda but you are evil

Malynda · 08-31-2009, 09:30 AM

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Yea sorry Malynda but you are evil

I'll just take my evil ball and go home. Thanks guys and gals for letting me know the devil lives in my heart and soul.

Northern Boy · 09-10-2009, 11:22 PM

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t is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer and die. ~Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2418

Those who eat meat break the Five Constant Virtues.

1. Killing animals to satisfy our taste is inhumane.

2. Killing animals, causing separation in their family, in order to feed our relatives are unrighteous.

3. Making befoul food offering from animal meat to the deities is disrespectful.

4. Praising the eating of animals as if it is God‟s gift so as to justify the killing of animals is unwise.

5. Lure and trick animals into the snare is untruthful. Worldly people must keep the five constant virtues; breaking these intentionally is to break the moral principles.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat.

~ Genesis, Holy Bible[/b][/color]

If the catholic church really cared for the animals then they put more into them then humanity. They are largely responsible more more deaths on this earth then all the wars put together . If you observe the native american indian he eat flesh its about nature they never killed an anmial for fun they did it for food and shelter Skins were used as shelter and clothing Bones were fashioned into tools and the meat eaten. The asked for permission of the creator to kill before they did it. When they cut a tree down they would ask the tree first. The only took what they needed . When is the last time some one had supper with the POPE I bet you he is eating meat
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Karen · 09-10-2009, 11:55 PM

Do we really want to be all "one"? Is this a "New Age" trap? Is this the "hivemind" or the "borg". A trick? They are full of them that's for sure.

We left the oneness of "God" to travel out and experience for the Creator.

Well, maybe this is the time of the "in breath" of God, or maybe it's a trick.

I dunno. I am most wary of "movements" that have a lot of energy, money and personalities behind them.

I was just going to start a thread with this question when this thread appeared.

Many Blessings and be very careful out there,
Karen

Christo888 · 09-11-2009, 12:05 AM

Something really strange about the Mayan's... they were meat eaters and participated in ritualistic blood sacrifice!!!!!!

So if they had this special ability to design a calendar that would predict the end of days... who were they practicing this blood ritual too???????

And why would vegetarians believe in 2012?

swordsmith · 09-11-2009, 08:18 AM

so would it be better to sit next to Hitler at the symphony ( vegetarian) or Donna Eden, meat eater?
In fact Donna Eden wouldn't be alive without meat.
She is an energy healer of some repute and radiates love and compassion, maybe she's just not a noble being

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/deden.htm

Thank god we are NOT all one and I totally agree with you Karen about watching out for the new age agenda.

Karen · 09-11-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by swordsmith

so would it be better to sit next to Hitler at the symphony ( vegetarian) or Donna Eden, meat eater?
In fact Donna Eden wouldn't be alive without meat.
She is an energy healer of some repute and radiates love and compassion, maybe she's just not a noble being

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/deden.htm

Thank god we are NOT all one and I totally agree with you Karen about watching out for the new age agenda.

EDIT: Never mind - I gave in and watched it. Thank you so much. I needed this. The downward spiral in my body has been quite depressing. I can think of dozens of people to share this with. I studied energy medicine years ago, but never really used it. Donna was allergic to everything except meat and milk products. The animal FAT is very important. This feeds the nerves. She was missing 3 enzymes to digest plant food. She was sick with many things, tuberculosis, multiple sclerosis, breast cancer, and more. The doctors said she was terminal. Best day of her life. She soon discovered the energy flow in her body. The spleen meridian (metabolize food) was not working and triple warmer (fight or flight) was on overdrive. She healed herself and is now vibrant, radiant, smiling and laughing - and teaching others. Heal autism, heal learning problems, heal Alzheimers, heal strokes, heal auto immune diseases. Cure cancer! Learn to live in the sea of electromagnetic and microwave pollution and toxins < that's one of the biggies for me.

You can learn it in a 3 hour class, or a 5 day class, or on her DVDs and can see lots on youtube. And she confirms - as far a diet, everyone is different - listen to your body! http://innersource.net

Oringal post.
Can you summarize her story about meat-eating? I have spent so much time listening to interviews lately - I'm swimming in swirling info and behind on important 3D tasks.

I really don't believe that line that everyone can exist just fine as vegan. You don't have to eat flesh - milk and eggs provide several important nutrients not found in vegetation.

Some people do very well as vegan - and I think it's a frequency matter - and most people just aren't there yet. People nearly kill themselves by not listening to their bodies. Maybe you only need animal foods once a month - just listen. For sure most of us can increase plant intake and see good benefit. Vegan is fantastic as a cleansing diet for many, but long term, it's a disaster.

Swanny · 09-11-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen

Do we really want to be all "one"? Is this a "New Age" trap? Is this the "hivemind" or the "borg". A trick? They are full of them that's for sure.

We left the oneness of "God" to travel out and experience for the Creator.

Well, maybe this is the time of the "in breath" of God, or maybe it's a trick.

I dunno. I am most wary of "movements" that have a lot of energy, money and personalities behind them.

I was just going to start a thread with this question when this thread appeared.

Many Blessings and be very careful out there,
Karen

I don't want to be one with everyone, I like being an individual

Karen · 09-11-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Swanny

I don't want to be one with everyone, I like being an individual

And you do a VERY good job at it Swanny!

swordsmith · 09-11-2009, 04:10 PM

You are most welcome Karen and that's a really good summary of the Donna Eden interview. Also, like you, I have some real problems with the emf stuff, which is a drag when researching on the net.
The two things I have heard of that seem to protect from this are MEMON http://www.memon.eu/
and Ray-guard, though I know next to nothing on the Ray- guard .
A friend of mine who has been seriously ill from mercury poisoning for the past 16 years of his life has been doing intensive healing modalities which are finally beginning to have some effect while using the MEMON as a whole house emf protector. It is a device being used/endorsed by Dr Deitrich Klinghardt ,a well respected neurologist dealing with persisitent illness, autism, MS , ahlzheimers, merc.poisoning etc. Shame its damned expensive.
I like that Donna Eden said we just have to adapt, but some things are really an extra strain. The wicked thing is, all these cell phones /towers /electronic devices could operate on frequencies that actually promoted health.

In its own way this thread has been really useful.

14 Chakras · 09-11-2009, 05:24 PM

Since this thread is about eating meat vs. being a vegetarian (Even though it's got a very different kind of title), I have started a new thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16407

to discuss Oneness vs. Borg mind sameness - I would make the point that they really are polar opposites.

Consider your true individuality, your divine individuality, is not based on the illusion of separation, rather it is based on who you are in Oneness with the infinite rather than fighting to maintain the illusion that you are separate from it.

Feel free to follow up on that thread with a discussion of Oneness, individuality and sameness.

krystal · 10-19-2009, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Since this thread is about eating meat vs. being a vegetarian (Even though it's got a very different kind of title), I have started a new thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16407

to discuss Oneness vs. Borg mind sameness - I would make the point that they really are polar opposites.

Consider your true individuality, your divine individuality, is not based on the illusion of separation, rather it is based on who you are in Oneness with the infinite rather than fighting to maintain the illusion that you are separate from it.

Feel free to follow up on that thread with a discussion of Oneness, individuality and sameness.

Thank you for you most inspiring words, I totally agree.

swordsmith · 08-31-2009, 09:35 AM

hey dagon, you didn't kill an animal or the thread even if you did choke the monkey.
I am getting the luls on the" noble being " dia(rea) tribe. and really there is no place for soya,except maybe fermented,( hmmm, that prolly means its got some animals growing on it) even if it is GMO free, I'm sure even meat is better for you .
Human caused global warming? Most noble beings know that is a crock. Just another thing to make us feel bad. Planets further from the sun than earth are also heating up, we must be REALLY bad to be able to do that....

I was a vegetarian for 20 years. I'm not anymore, it's called a choice thing, we still do have one.
Vegans tend to come to parties and annoy the other humans by complaining there is yogurt in the chocolate cake. More for us...

08-31-2009, 08:39 AM	#1
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: We are not one! krystal there are some horrible people on this planet that have no respect for anything or anyone else, do you really believe that if those people stop eating meat they will suddenly stop being evil? Can you say that all the people in the vid you just posted are meat eaters? Maybe some are veggies? And do you think that people that eat meat are evil?

08-31-2009, 08:53 AM	#3
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: We are not one! I feel exactly the same but I do eat meat. Eating meat doesn't mean I disrespect other animals, I thank them for the food they have provided me and am happy for the life they got to live. You think every soul that visits this plane chooses to only live a life free of pain? We choose to live lives of good and bad to experience all sides of everything.

08-31-2009, 09:13 AM	#7
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: We are not one! sorry about that .. I may have just killed the thread...

09-10-2009, 11:55 PM	#16
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: We are not one! Do we really want to be all "one"? Is this a "New Age" trap? Is this the "hivemind" or the "borg". A trick? They are full of them that's for sure. We left the oneness of "God" to travel out and experience for the Creator. Well, maybe this is the time of the "in breath" of God, or maybe it's a trick. I dunno. I am most wary of "movements" that have a lot of energy, money and personalities behind them. I was just going to start a thread with this question when this thread appeared. Many Blessings and be very careful out there, Karen

09-11-2009, 12:05 AM	#17
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! Something really strange about the Mayan's... they were meat eaters and participated in ritualistic blood sacrifice!!!!!! So if they had this special ability to design a calendar that would predict the end of days... who were they practicing this blood ritual too??????? And why would vegetarians believe in 2012?

09-11-2009, 08:18 AM	#18
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: We are not one! so would it be better to sit next to Hitler at the symphony ( vegetarian) or Donna Eden, meat eater? In fact Donna Eden wouldn't be alive without meat. She is an energy healer of some repute and radiates love and compassion, maybe she's just not a noble being http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/deden.htm Thank god we are NOT all one and I totally agree with you Karen about watching out for the new age agenda.

09-11-2009, 04:10 PM	#22
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: We are not one! You are most welcome Karen and that's a really good summary of the Donna Eden interview. Also, like you, I have some real problems with the emf stuff, which is a drag when researching on the net. The two things I have heard of that seem to protect from this are MEMON http://www.memon.eu/ and Ray-guard, though I know next to nothing on the Ray- guard . A friend of mine who has been seriously ill from mercury poisoning for the past 16 years of his life has been doing intensive healing modalities which are finally beginning to have some effect while using the MEMON as a whole house emf protector. It is a device being used/endorsed by Dr Deitrich Klinghardt ,a well respected neurologist dealing with persisitent illness, autism, MS , ahlzheimers, merc.poisoning etc. Shame its damned expensive. I like that Donna Eden said we just have to adapt, but some things are really an extra strain. The wicked thing is, all these cell phones /towers /electronic devices could operate on frequencies that actually promoted health. In its own way this thread has been really useful.

09-11-2009, 05:24 PM	#23
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: We are not one! Since this thread is about eating meat vs. being a vegetarian (Even though it's got a very different kind of title), I have started a new thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16407 to discuss Oneness vs. Borg mind sameness - I would make the point that they really are polar opposites. Consider your true individuality, your divine individuality, is not based on the illusion of separation, rather it is based on who you are in Oneness with the infinite rather than fighting to maintain the illusion that you are separate from it. Feel free to follow up on that thread with a discussion of Oneness, individuality and sameness.

08-31-2009, 09:35 AM	#25
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: We are not one! hey dagon, you didn't kill an animal or the thread even if you did choke the monkey. I am getting the luls on the" noble being " dia(rea) tribe. and really there is no place for soya,except maybe fermented,( hmmm, that prolly means its got some animals growing on it) even if it is GMO free, I'm sure even meat is better for you . Human caused global warming? Most noble beings know that is a crock. Just another thing to make us feel bad. Planets further from the sun than earth are also heating up, we must be REALLY bad to be able to do that.... I was a vegetarian for 20 years. I'm not anymore, it's called a choice thing, we still do have one. Vegans tend to come to parties and annoy the other humans by complaining there is yogurt in the chocolate cake. More for us...