We are not one!

[krystal]

Originally Posted by Malynda

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I am currently working on curbing my meat habit. I am far from there but have really cut down on eating meat of any sort. One thing, and I think someone else on the forum mentioned it somewhere, I have always wondered is why it's ok to eat plants but not animals? I'm thinking this is a flesh thing or consciousness thing but isn't our idea of flesh relative and don't plants have consciousness? I can, at this point, only really see two things to eat on this planet - meat and veggies. I really have always wondered this and just can't find or hear a good answer within myself. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Thanks for posting this krystal.

You are half way there and it's wonderful. If you do not eat any meat for a period of at least 3 months you won't be able to tolerate the bacterial smells afterwards. Plants are mainly water and yes there is consciousness in everything but when you cut a branch off a plant it grows a few more and this does not happen in the animal kingdom.

The point I am making here is that there is great karmic debt in the killing of "living beings", animals have souls whilst plants have not yet evolved to that degree therefore the karma is not so great.

I am sure others see my point here..... how can we be trusted as a civilized society when we are still acting like in the dark ages.... killing animals by the billions and destroying our planet in the meantime.

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

You are half way there and it's wonderful. If you do not eat any meat for a period of at least 3 months you won't be able to tolerate the bacterial smells afterwards. Plants are mainly water and yes there is consciousness in everything but when you cut a branch off a plant it grows a few more and this does not happen in the animal kingdom.

The point I am making here is that there is great karmic debt in the killing of "living beings", animals have souls whilst plants have not yet evolved to that degree therefore the karma is not so great.

I am sure others see my point here..... how can we be trusted as a civilized society when we are still acting like in the dark ages.... killing animals by the billions and destroying our planet in the meantime.

Thank you so much for responding, krystal. The explanation about a plant growing another branch makes a lot of sense to me. Forgive me for asking more and more questions but I am trying to understand and you seem to know a lot about this. I don't understand how we know that a plant is not evolved enough to have a soul. I think my frame of reference is very narrow in this area and I would like to understand more. I always thought that everything that comes from source, god, whatever has a soul and that if you don't have a soul, you're not so very "good". Do you have any insight into this? I'm not opposed to only eating plants by any means but I just like to understand the world around me. I am trying not to just do things because they are "good". Thanks again for helping me to understand.

[krystal]

Quoted from [Malynda I don't understand how we know that a plant is not evolved enough to have a soul. I think my frame of reference is very narrow in this area and I would like to understand more. I always thought that everything that comes from source, god, whatever has a soul and that if you don't have a soul, you're not so very "good".]

You are most welcome Mylinda, I cannot claim to know everything about this subject but I have been researching it for a long time. I think that most of us know it is not right to eat the flesh of other beings and deep inside we all long to be Noble Beings but to answer your question.... we all have within us that which resonates in everything that exists which is "the spirit" or "vibration" which is I believe to be the Universal Force or God Force whichever we choose to believe, however there is also those that have "conscious souls" which means that they are more aware of what and who they are for instance an animal is more aware of itself than a plant wouldn't you say as they feel fear and love. Animals also have blood which runs through their veins. Cows, pigs, goats etc know when they are going to be killed and they often die in fear and not in love. Personally I've come to the conclusion that it's not good for me karmically to participate in the killing of animals and using my body as a "cemetery" for dead animals.

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

an animal is more aware of itself than a plant wouldn't you say as they feel fear and love.

This is where I get stuck. I once read about a study in which a plant was burned with a match. Using some sort of electrodes and a monitoring system attached to the plant, it was learned that the plant showed some sort of reaction like pain. Each time the person entered the room with matches, the plant reacted the same way as it did when it was lit on fire. The plant only calmed down once the matches were completely removed from the room.

I agree that killing for the sake of killing is wrong and the way we obtain our meat is most often just plain cruel and unusual. I still am attached to the idea, if those are the right words, that plants have as much life, love, soul, awareness as every other thing, person animal on this planet. I am definitely missing out on something and I'm sure it has something to do with not being taught properly who I am for life. I really appreciate your views and your help in understanding this as well as your patience.

[krystal]

Originally Posted by Malynda

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]This is where I get stuck. I once read about a study in which a plant was burned with a match. Using some sort of electrodes and a monitoring system attached to the plant, it was learned that the plant showed some sort of reaction like pain. Each time the person entered the room with matches, the plant reacted the same way as it did when it was lit on fire. The plant only calmed down once the matches were completely removed from the room.

Malynda you are welcome. Plants have feelings too it's just the intensity is different whilst plants would be an instinct rather than the fear which an animal would portray at the time of death, whilst we do not need to kill the entire plant to eat some parts of it, it's necessary to kill an entire animal... well you get what I mean. The ideal would really to be fruitarian or breatharian but well it's always best to start with the coarser energies first don't you agree?

As a lot of us here understand the laws of the universe of "Cause & Effect" they we also understand that there has to be a price to pay for the slaughter of our fellow beings.

Have you noticed that even in the animal kingdom those animals that are veggos generally are non aggressive and more peaceful and in a harmonious state?

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by krystal

Malynda you are welcome. Plants have feelings too it's just the intensity is different whilst plants would be an instinct rather than the fear which an animal would portray at the time of death, whilst we do not need to kill the entire plant to eat some parts of it, it's necessary to kill an entire animal... well you get what I mean. The ideal would really to be fruitarian or breatharian but well it's always best to start with the coarser energies first don't you agree?

As a lot of us here understand the laws of the universe of "Cause & Effect" they we also understand that there has to be a price to pay for the slaughter of our fellow beings.

Have you noticed that even in the animal kingdom those animals that are veggos generally are non aggressive and more peaceful and in a harmonious state?

All very good points. I think I'm reading some tone into your posts that perhaps doesn't lie with you but with me. Forgive me if I do not find the right words and please understand that I mean no disrespect and no ill will. That being said, as you can see from the exchange we have been having that it may be hard to convert one who currently eats meat and the carnivore might have a ton of questions. I am not seeing clear but answers here and that's probably me or just how it is. I am also feeling like you are removing yourself from most everyone else on the planet with the use of words like "As a lot of us here understand". My interpretation of that is that somehow vegetarians or you are better than than rest of us. That's probably not your intent but that is what I am getting so I'm a bit stuck at this point. I apologize for that. I truly appreciate you taking the time to help me understand. I look forward to hearing more from you and other vegetarians.