Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored?

THE eXchanger · 08-28-2009, 05:22 PM

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tone3jaguar · 08-28-2009, 06:03 PM

The entire internet is infiltrated. That does not mean that the Forum Mods are though. I have not experienced any censorship on this forum at all. This is the only forum where I have not experienced that.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 08-28-2009, 06:52 PM

do i smell paranoia? i left the 'he said,she said' thing a long time back. if they want to come and kill us all for what we know then its a bit late. they already have tabs on us all.. thats what it boils down to isnt it?

metaw3 · 08-28-2009, 08:01 PM

tone3jaguar, have you looked back at all your posts? How do you know they didn't get censored? I thought too that data integrity was fine here until yesterday I decided to reply to a District 9 movie thread started beginning of July. I remebered the thread and knew how to find ti back. The thread had vanished. I was able to get an early cached version on Google. That's it. Then I started paying attention and found another anomaly about data integrity.

It's much simpler than paranoia. It's anger that my valuable time is wasted, laughed at, and my work deleted. As far as I know everybody here is writing for free, and even paying to do it. Here is 3 posts of mine that got deleted:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=11

I'm angry.

Infiltrate as much as you want but don't you dare delete my legitimate posts, otherwise I'm going to move my focus to where it doesn't go into a blackhole. I won't start archiving locally or on another server my posts here just in case they get deleted. This is ridiculous and irrespectful to assume that people won't get angry if you delete their posts.
When I post on the web, whether it's my own server or not, I'm using the web as a database and archiving utility for my work. If Avalon cannot ensure integrity of my data input, I'm gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_integrity

Karen · 08-28-2009, 08:36 PM

No we do not censor or delete threads or posts unless it's some kind of vile personal attack. Last night I cleaned up an unfortunate misunderstanding on the bye, bye whistleblower thread - which happened because of a personal attack that I did not just delete the moment I saw it.

I'm just getting online for the day, and trying to figure out what the problem is that caused these accusations to be made.

For one thing, when you do a search, always do advanced search, as the first level search is the lamest thing I've ever seen - you come up with nothing for something you know is there.

I'll get a cup of tea and work on this ...

EDIT ADDITION: The deletion work I did last night - all parties were notified of my action.

metaw3 · 08-28-2009, 09:02 PM

I said I'm a web programmer. I will code you a PHP/MySQL forum if you want one. Don't you think I know the difference between advanced search and first level search? Don't insult my intelligence. Look at my post. Follow the links to the cached version on Google. Search your database for the thread deleted. A thread doesn't get deleted that easy on a vBulletin. Anyone reading this, create an admin demo for a vBulletin and try deleting a thread:
http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

metaw3 · 08-28-2009, 09:23 PM

All rogue2 posts have been deleted on Avalon:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...safe=off&hl=en
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1763

It seems that all threads started by rogue2 have vanished as well, with all their replies. rogue2 started the thread about District 9 that is missing. So what happened with rogue2?

Karen · 08-28-2009, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

All rogue2 posts have been deleted on Avalon:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...safe=off&hl=en
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1763

It seems that all threads started by rogue2 have vanished as well, with all their replies. rogue2 started the thread about District 9 that is missing. So what happened with rogue2?

OK, I just found this rogue2 situation. Some X moderators have had tantrum on the way out the door and deleted all their own posts and threads. Kathleen did that and I see that C77 deleted the rogue2 posts as well as his own. I'll see what I can find out about it. Maybe rogue2 asked him to delete them.

We have very few moderators left at this time. Moderators can see every deleted msg space holder and investigate what was in the message - of course you know that, just saying it for the benefit of those that don't.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

I said I'm a web programmer. I will code you a PHP/MySQL forum if you want one. Don't you think I know the difference between advanced search and first level search? Don't insult my intelligence. Look at my post. Follow the links to the cached version on Google. Search your database for the thread deleted. A thread doesn't get deleted that easy on a vBulletin. Anyone reading this, create an admin demo for a vBulletin and try deleting a thread:
http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

Gawd, I said I just got online and would start researching it. Sorry for not making the connection to your programmer IQ and the use of search function, with my just waking up brain.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

All I see so far is X mods that had a tantrum on the way out the door. I'll keep looking and consult with the other mods later when they show up.

Northern Boy · 08-28-2009, 10:25 PM

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

Karen · 08-28-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

Henry Deacon wanted all his stuff deleted. A lot of drama has been following after Henry Deacon - probably around half the high drama on this forum, including this thread.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

Something happened when I wasn't moderator here and these witnesses were given moderator status and one of them accidentally or on purpose nuked that whole section. So the forum settings were changed so that nothing is hard deleted (poof, gone forever with one stroke) but goes into an area where it can be recovered and returned to the public forum. So we fixed that problem. Next?

TRANCOSO · 08-28-2009, 10:53 PM

There's an expression that says 'Devide & Conquer'.
I rest my case.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

All I see so far is X mods that had a tantrum on the way out the door. I'll keep looking and consult with the other mods later when they show up.

Yes, I have confirmed now that C77 deleted this thread.

Our guidelines say:
All posts become property of Project Camelot/Avalon.

I'll consult with the other moderators about reinstating posts that were deleted by X-moderators

Karen · 08-28-2009, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

For one thing, when you do a search, always do advanced search, as the first level search is the lamest thing I've ever seen - you come up with nothing for something you know is there.

This is not even the NORMAL difference between first level search and advanced search.
The first level search appears to be defective. Read the red above.

tone3jaguar · 08-28-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

tone3jaguar, have you looked back at all your posts? How do you know they didn't get censored? I thought too that data integrity was fine here until yesterday I decided to reply to a District 9 movie thread started beginning of July. I remebered the thread and knew how to find ti back. The thread had vanished. I was able to get an early cached version on Google. That's it. Then I started paying attention and found another anomaly about data integrity.

It's much simpler than paranoia. It's anger that my valuable time is wasted, laughed at, and my work deleted. As far as I know everybody here is writing for free, and even paying to do it. Here is 3 posts of mine that got deleted:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=11

I'm angry.

Infiltrate as much as you want but don't you dare delete my legitimate posts, otherwise I'm going to move my focus to where it doesn't go into a blackhole. I won't start archiving locally or on another server my posts here just in case they get deleted. This is ridiculous and irrespectful to assume that people won't get angry if you delete their posts.
When I post on the web, whether it's my own server or not, I'm using the web as a database and archiving utility for my work. If Avalon cannot ensure integrity of my data input, I'm gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_integrity

If "they" where going to hack in secretly and delete posts, then why in the world would they waste there time with a post about a movie. I can see the PTB getting worried if someone posted the plans for how to make a free energy device or something. A post about a movie? Not likely.

I just got back from watching that movie 5 min ago and while it was edgy, it was completely symbolic and non-threatening to the ptb.

Unified Serenity · 08-28-2009, 10:35 PM

I have no doubt that this site is watched. How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

I am sure that with their access to our every purchase via ip identifier, debit cards, credit cards, UPC, every bit of info ever obtained on us basically that they can go into any site online and delete things without system mods or admins being aware. Most of us never go back to what we posted in the past to check on it. They could just take few sentences out. Do you remember every brilliant thought you posted in response to some thread? Of course not, and I am sure the web is scrubbed regularly.

I have researched many things online and gone back to google to dig up a site again sometimes on the same day and *POOF* the site is gone. Some sites don't come up for many pages when they did come up on the first page. Suddenly they are gone or buried so far down the list it is unlikely you will find them.

Now, the Senate wants to give the President authority to shut down the internet in America if there is an "emergency". How many of us are complacent and not getting good contact info to have some communication outside of our towns to know what is going on if the net is down. Oh, and he can shut down communications as well, so goodbye phones.

They want us to be shut off and able to manage on a local basis. No group info, no intel, feeling cut off and alone. Panic will set in for many and once that happens people can't think and they are manageable.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

I have no doubt that this site is watched. How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

We know because on his way out the door X-moderator C77 deleted all his postings and at some time those of rogue2. I don't think the moderating team knew rogue2 posts were deleted, but we know that now, and will see what we can find out about that - could take a few days.

Karen · 08-28-2009, 10:49 PM

Oh and it hasn't just been p'd off moderators who deleted their posts on the way out the door, but quite a few members have done the same thing.

metaw3 · 08-29-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

If "they" where going to hack in secretly and delete posts, then why in the world would they waste there time with a post about a movie. I can see the PTB getting worried if someone posted the plans for how to make a free energy device or something. A post about a movie? Not likely.

I just got back from watching that movie 5 min ago and while it was edgy, it was completely symbolic and non-threatening to the ptb.

I know:

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

At this moment I have no technical explanation for the disappearance of data, and I don't know what makes this data eligible to censorship more than any other data.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

Exactly. I had a good point in that thread about timeline for mind-programming vs. false flag. I wanted to develop on this after watching the movie and now I lost my original thought. Or maybe not:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

So the forum settings were changed so that nothing is hard deleted (poof, gone forever with one stroke) but goes into an area where it can be recovered and returned to the public forum. So we fixed that problem. Next?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

I am sure that with their access to our every purchase via ip identifier, debit cards, credit cards, UPC, every bit of info ever obtained on us basically that they can go into any site online and delete things without system mods or admins being aware.

It's compartmentalized. The agents watching these forums probably don't have the clearances to use this technology. And the ones who do probably don't give a damn about what is being said here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

I have my opinion, and some evidence, but I won't give it away yet.

Obviously I got triggered.

Sorry Karen for that.

Moderation on a forum is like government: the smaller it is, the better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

I would have appreciated that approach much more than waking up to a public firestorm of a topic that needed to be quickly doused with a few buckets of water.

I think it is constructive to do it in the open. There may be no censorship, but mods deleting threads to spite is not better. Everyone should know about it.

Karen · 08-29-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metaw3

Obviously I got triggered.

Sorry Karen for that.

OK, apology accepted. Thank you.

Unified Serenity · 08-28-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

We know because on his way out the door X-moderator C77 deleted all his postings plus those of rogue2. I don't think the moderating team knew rogue2 posts were deleted, but we know that now, and will see what we can find out about that - could take a few days.

I think you misunderstand me, Karen. I know you can see which mods delete stuff etc.. What I am saying is that the ptw can probably go in a back door and delete stuff too, and you won't be the wiser. If you know to look for a specific thread and it is gone, then of course you know someone did something, but there is very little chance that you or any mod can or will go through the past posts ( thousands) and know a word was changed, sentences deleted, or posts deleted from a thread, or a whole thread dropped. You only become aware IF you are looking and know what was there prior to investigating.

Anchor · 08-30-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

What I am saying is that the ptw can probably go in a back door and delete stuff too, and you won't be the wiser.

That is very unlikely.

A..

KathyT · 08-29-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Now, the Senate wants to give the President authority to shut down the internet in America if there is an "emergency". How many of us are complacent and not getting good contact info to have some communication outside of our towns to know what is going on if the net is down. Oh, and he can shut down communications as well, so goodbye phones.

If the Senate/Pres has the power to shut down the internet, this is so wrong it is evil.

But how would all of our banks, ebay, Google, and tons of business get by if the Internet were shut down? What about all the banking/bill paying everyone does on line?

I hope all of big business and lawyers fight this President 'authority' with everything they got.

08-28-2009, 05:22 PM	#1
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? xxxx Last edited by THE eXchanger; 09-14-2009 at 02:27 PM.

08-28-2009, 06:03 PM	#2
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? The entire internet is infiltrated. That does not mean that the Forum Mods are though. I have not experienced any censorship on this forum at all. This is the only forum where I have not experienced that.

08-28-2009, 06:52 PM	#3
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? do i smell paranoia? i left the 'he said,she said' thing a long time back. if they want to come and kill us all for what we know then its a bit late. they already have tabs on us all.. thats what it boils down to isnt it?

08-28-2009, 08:01 PM	#4
metaw3 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 431	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? tone3jaguar, have you looked back at all your posts? How do you know they didn't get censored? I thought too that data integrity was fine here until yesterday I decided to reply to a District 9 movie thread started beginning of July. I remebered the thread and knew how to find ti back. The thread had vanished. I was able to get an early cached version on Google. That's it. Then I started paying attention and found another anomaly about data integrity. It's much simpler than paranoia. It's anger that my valuable time is wasted, laughed at, and my work deleted. As far as I know everybody here is writing for free, and even paying to do it. Here is 3 posts of mine that got deleted: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=11 I'm angry. Infiltrate as much as you want but don't you dare delete my legitimate posts, otherwise I'm going to move my focus to where it doesn't go into a blackhole. I won't start archiving locally or on another server my posts here just in case they get deleted. This is ridiculous and irrespectful to assume that people won't get angry if you delete their posts. When I post on the web, whether it's my own server or not, I'm using the web as a database and archiving utility for my work. If Avalon cannot ensure integrity of my data input, I'm gone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_integrity

08-28-2009, 08:36 PM	#5
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? No we do not censor or delete threads or posts unless it's some kind of vile personal attack. Last night I cleaned up an unfortunate misunderstanding on the bye, bye whistleblower thread - which happened because of a personal attack that I did not just delete the moment I saw it. I'm just getting online for the day, and trying to figure out what the problem is that caused these accusations to be made. For one thing, when you do a search, always do advanced search, as the first level search is the lamest thing I've ever seen - you come up with nothing for something you know is there. I'll get a cup of tea and work on this ... EDIT ADDITION: The deletion work I did last night - all parties were notified of my action. Last edited by Karen; 08-28-2009 at 08:40 PM.

08-28-2009, 09:02 PM	#6
metaw3 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 431	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? I said I'm a web programmer. I will code you a PHP/MySQL forum if you want one. Don't you think I know the difference between advanced search and first level search? Don't insult my intelligence. Look at my post. Follow the links to the cached version on Google. Search your database for the thread deleted. A thread doesn't get deleted that easy on a vBulletin. Anyone reading this, create an admin demo for a vBulletin and try deleting a thread: http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

08-28-2009, 09:23 PM	#7
metaw3 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 431	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? All rogue2 posts have been deleted on Avalon: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...safe=off&hl=en http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1763 It seems that all threads started by rogue2 have vanished as well, with all their replies. rogue2 started the thread about District 9 that is missing. So what happened with rogue2?

08-28-2009, 10:25 PM	#11
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

08-28-2009, 10:53 PM	#14
TRANCOSO Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 964	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? There's an expression that says 'Devide & Conquer'. I rest my case.

08-28-2009, 10:35 PM	#18
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? I have no doubt that this site is watched. How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed? I am sure that with their access to our every purchase via ip identifier, debit cards, credit cards, UPC, every bit of info ever obtained on us basically that they can go into any site online and delete things without system mods or admins being aware. Most of us never go back to what we posted in the past to check on it. They could just take few sentences out. Do you remember every brilliant thought you posted in response to some thread? Of course not, and I am sure the web is scrubbed regularly. I have researched many things online and gone back to google to dig up a site again sometimes on the same day and POOF the site is gone. Some sites don't come up for many pages when they did come up on the first page. Suddenly they are gone or buried so far down the list it is unlikely you will find them. Now, the Senate wants to give the President authority to shut down the internet in America if there is an "emergency". How many of us are complacent and not getting good contact info to have some communication outside of our towns to know what is going on if the net is down. Oh, and he can shut down communications as well, so goodbye phones. They want us to be shut off and able to manage on a local basis. No group info, no intel, feeling cut off and alone. Panic will set in for many and once that happens people can't think and they are manageable.

08-28-2009, 10:49 PM	#20
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored? Oh and it hasn't just been p'd off moderators who deleted their posts on the way out the door, but quite a few members have done the same thing. Last edited by Karen; 08-29-2009 at 12:43 AM.