Barack Obama hoists the white flag over Stalinist health care proposals

mntruthseeker · 08-20-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarahmay

The original post was offensive. "President Pantywaist"? C'mon, if you can't discuss something without namecalling, then you don't have a very good argument.

And it is amazing how many Canadians and others who have nationalized health care are weighing in about what the US should do. Over 50 million Americans are without ANY health insurance, and that is completely immoral for a nation of our stature.

I want to be able to buy into a health plan with no pre-existing conditions that doesn't cost a ridiculous amount. The current system does not provide it (it could, but corporate greed prevents it). I currently have a very good health plan through my employer, but if I decide to become self employed, I am f****d.

The arguments against it are fear based rhetoric, nothing more.

I will answer this but then I'm done. I am an American and I am proud that other people in other Countries care about us. To me that is humongous in our war against NWO. What are you thinking? I thank god, our creator that they do not comdemn us for the wars that we have started that is without warrant.

ok, health insurance...............what they want to shove down our throats is garbage. Pre existing conditions are only for the people that DO not have insurance within a certain time frame. I have two insurances at this time and they are very good. But I pay for it. Most states will cover people for a small fee (25.00) per month. If you value your life and your childs its affordable. Most people will spend more than that on a carton of cigerettes or booze.

Obama's healthcare bill was a death sentence. If you think the whole world isn't sitting back watching then you are sadly mistakened. I want the world to watch. I want the world to stand up for us. Like, I said, it makes me proud that we still matter to the rest of the world.

Thank you fellow Canadians, South Americans, Chinese, Korean, Africans..............thanks to all of you for caring.

I read your articles and I know in my heart ............you are watching and caring

Sarahmay · 08-20-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Ok, health insurance...............what they want to shove down our throats is garbage. Pre existing conditions are only for the people that DO not have insurance within a certain time frame. I have two insurances at this time and they are very good. But I pay for it. Most states will cover people for a small fee (25.00) per month. If you value your life and your childs its affordable. Most people will spend more than that on a carton of cigerettes or booze.

Obama's healthcare bill was a death sentence.

Um, you have to be very poor to qualify for that type of insurance.

And the president doesn't write bills, congress does.

mntruthseeker · 08-20-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Um, you have to be very poor to qualify for that type of insurance.

And the president doesn't write bills, congress does.

So your point is ? I know he didnt write the bill, ask my husband, he will tell you I was not born yesterday.

You needn't worry about Obama, I am sure he will take very good care of himself and his family. He would be so flattered to see how well you defend his actions. But let us defend our point of view and take care of our self.

Wrong, My daughter signs people up for that insurance all the time. In Minnesota its called Minnesotacare. You are not getting anything for nothing. The people that get it are the ones that are in between jobs. Not for the ones that just decide not to work and collect whatever they can.

BTW............the information came from a well known senator, I highly doubt he fabricated the information

Sarahmay · 08-20-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Wrong, My daughter signs people up for that insurance all the time. In Minnesota its called Minnesotacare. You are not getting anything for nothing. The people that get it are the ones that are in between jobs. Not for the ones that just decide not to work and collect whatever they can.

That is not available in my state, and definitely not in the state that I am moving to. You must be in one of the welfare states

mntruthseeker · 08-20-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sarahmay

that is not available in my state, and definitely not in the state that i am moving to. You must be in one of the welfare states

pathetic

Unified Serenity · 08-20-2009, 09:21 PM

Florida used to have this program. We do have a program for children, but not adults.

The 50 million uninsured touted by many is one of those statistics that must be looked at carefully. Does it include those who CHOOSE not to have insurance and who can pay for it? Yes it does. There are many young people who choose not to pay as little as $100.00 per month for a fairly comprehensive individual insurance plan.

The following data is from NCPA

"Although it is common to think of the uninsured as having low incomes, many families who lack insurance are solidly middle class. And the largest increase in the number of uninsured in recent years has occurred among higher-income families:

* About one in seven uninsured persons lives in a family with an income between $50,000 and $75,000, and almost one in six earns more than $75,000.
* Further, between 1993 and 1999, the bulk of the increase in the number of uninsured was among the households earning more than $50,000.
* By contrast, in households earning less than $50,000 the number of uninsured decreased by about 5 percent."

These are people who willingly choose to live in $1200.00 apartments, $500.00 car payments, $100.00 cable tv, $100.00 cell phones, and fun money to go out every weekend drinking and having a good time. They are healthy and qualify for any plan, but do not want to pay for insurance since they feel they don't need it and if they get sick can pay $150.00 for a doctor and get a prescription for antibiotics, thus saving money. Then they get older and have a health issue and suddenly do not qualify for the insurance or if they qualify are charge a great deal more for the same plan.

There needs to be a system where competition exists to make the hospitals and doctors charge reasonable prices. As it is, most people cannot shop around when they are very ill or in an emergency. Those on insurance don't care what the real costs are because they will pay their deductible and co-pay regardless of the final bill. The bill they see from their insurance company may say as mine did $90,000.00 for various surgery and hospital treatment, when in reality the company only paid approximately $25,000.00. That $90,000.00 is what I would have had to pay had I NOT had insurance.

It's a shell game. I recommend everyone go to Hospital Victims and see what the reality is with these "non-profit" hospitals. Then pick your state and and find your hospital on the list. Most are grossly overcharging in lab, radiology, etc.. Here is what my local hospital overcharges:

Capital Regional Medical Center (Tallahassee, FL)
charges 493% times its costs.
That is 422% times what Johns Hopkins charges!

under anscillary charges:

Anesthesiology

Mark-Up 3,896%

Costs $362,275

Charges $14,113,974

Look at that mark-up! This is for Anesthesiology! Something you need in an emergency. It cost the hospital $362,275 and yet they billed $14,113,974!!!
This is the sort of **** that is ruining the health care system. Radiology Associates has a monopoly on this service and overcharges for it.

Here is one more example from this hospital:

Laboratory

Mark-Up 1,181%

Costs $3,456,067

Charges $40,800,994

Lab work cost the hospital about three and a half million and yet they billed almost forty-one million!!! There are ways to fight this abuse, especially if you are uninsured.

Read on the site about how to defend yourself. They will even review your bills and help you. The site says:

"Know Your Rights

Plan to Fight to Protect Your Assets:

The courts say hospitals can collect only what is reasonable. Yes, all patients are required to sign a commitment to pay whatever is charged for treatment. But the courts have consistently ruled that hospital charges must be REASONABLE.

What's a reasonable charge?

That depends on the procedure, any complications, and in what area of the country you are hospitalized. What Medicare pays is a benchmark. Insurance companies usually pay 5% to 10 % more than medicare, but not 3 to 4 times more! We can help you find out what is reasonable.

Don't let your credit be destroyed!

It's important for you to take action. Write the hospital and credit agencies. Collection agencies, working on behalf of hospitals, have ruined the credit of many uninsured families in attempting to collect unreasonable bills. Writing a simple letter can protect you and your credit. We've posted a letter that you should fill out and send to the hospital, collection agency, and national credit bureaus. Keep a copy for yourself."

This organization is fantastic, and more should avail themselves of it's services and information!

Phtha · 08-20-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarahmay

And the president doesn't write bills, congress does.

Your right the president does not write bills. Just to expand on this point, the president does nothing aside from follow orders. He does not write his own speeches, he just reads pre-written words from a teleprompter. The president has no ideas of his own, his health care bill and all other bills are also pre-written by other people. The president has no power what so ever, he is simply a figure head, nothing more, nothing less, and his job is to create obamanoids who will believe whatever pre-written words come out of his mouth.
And for those who say Obama is an enlightened being, is this the way an enlightened being would act? Is this they way one shows respect to his wife and kids? Nothing but lower chakras are directing this guy.

Swanny ur not allowed to comment.

Anchor · 08-20-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phtha

Nothing but lower chakras are directing this guy.

I'm sure if I had camera's pointed at me all the time like he does, I would be caught checking out some lady curves from time to time

One admires beauty for what it is - one is also conditioned by sexual polarity.

What would you have of him?

A..

Phtha · 08-20-2009, 10:57 PM

That polarity and strong attraction we feel towards the opposite sex can be amplified to every thing in existence. I see that same beauty in every plant and animal, every rock and every insect, and indeed every word, sound, smell, touch, and taste.

To answer you question:
That awareness of love for all life is what I would have of someone whom I would even consider following.

I don't allow myself to be fooled by the media and Obama's speech writers into believing he is anything even close to a savior however.

All you have to do is decode Barack Hussien Obama's name to find out the truth of what he is suppose to be and who he really works for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_SAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_Armored_Brigade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SP-21_Barak

Isreal

But you need to have eyes to see.

I love Obama just like I loved Bush, for giving us this experience in what I think is a wonderful game, but I don't get fooled by them, there is a big difference.

I would suggest, rather then asking what you would have of him, that you quit looking outside yourself for your savior.

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Originally Posted by Anchor

I'm sure if I had camera's pointed at me all the time like he does, I would be caught checking out some lady curves from time to time

One admires beauty for what it is - one is also conditioned by sexual polarity.

What would you have of him?

A..

Anchor · 08-20-2009, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phtha

I would suggest, rather then asking what you would have of him, that you quit looking outside yourself for your savior.

That is good advice, but completely wasted on me basically I agree with you 100%

I know what I want of Obama.

He has his part on the team to play, I and confident he is performing to the best of his abilities and to the limits of the light available to him. I am confident that he is working in a way that be not be clearly seen through the spin-media or will be felt in the shorter term.

This will continue to rattle many cages.

A..

Phtha · 08-21-2009, 01:48 AM

Your views don't rattle nearly as many cages as those who point out that he is not what we are being told. The opposition of Obama are the ones that are truly rattling cages. No one even heard of this man a year ago, and now everyone thinks he is some light warrior.

The Government/Mindcontrol has a way of working their hollywood though. So I sympathize and ultimately enjoy it all. We are all here to experience different aspects of this game. But there is of course, an ultimate Truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

This will continue to rattle many cages.

A..

08-20-2009, 09:21 PM	#6
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Barack Obama hoists the white flag over Stalinist health care proposals Florida used to have this program. We do have a program for children, but not adults. The 50 million uninsured touted by many is one of those statistics that must be looked at carefully. Does it include those who CHOOSE not to have insurance and who can pay for it? Yes it does. There are many young people who choose not to pay as little as $100.00 per month for a fairly comprehensive individual insurance plan. The following data is from NCPA "Although it is common to think of the uninsured as having low incomes, many families who lack insurance are solidly middle class. And the largest increase in the number of uninsured in recent years has occurred among higher-income families: * About one in seven uninsured persons lives in a family with an income between $50,000 and $75,000, and almost one in six earns more than $75,000. * Further, between 1993 and 1999, the bulk of the increase in the number of uninsured was among the households earning more than $50,000. * By contrast, in households earning less than $50,000 the number of uninsured decreased by about 5 percent." These are people who willingly choose to live in $1200.00 apartments, $500.00 car payments, $100.00 cable tv, $100.00 cell phones, and fun money to go out every weekend drinking and having a good time. They are healthy and qualify for any plan, but do not want to pay for insurance since they feel they don't need it and if they get sick can pay $150.00 for a doctor and get a prescription for antibiotics, thus saving money. Then they get older and have a health issue and suddenly do not qualify for the insurance or if they qualify are charge a great deal more for the same plan. There needs to be a system where competition exists to make the hospitals and doctors charge reasonable prices. As it is, most people cannot shop around when they are very ill or in an emergency. Those on insurance don't care what the real costs are because they will pay their deductible and co-pay regardless of the final bill. The bill they see from their insurance company may say as mine did $90,000.00 for various surgery and hospital treatment, when in reality the company only paid approximately $25,000.00. That $90,000.00 is what I would have had to pay had I NOT had insurance. It's a shell game. I recommend everyone go to Hospital Victims and see what the reality is with these "non-profit" hospitals. Then pick your state and and find your hospital on the list. Most are grossly overcharging in lab, radiology, etc.. Here is what my local hospital overcharges: Capital Regional Medical Center (Tallahassee, FL) charges 493% times its costs. That is 422% times what Johns Hopkins charges! under anscillary charges: Anesthesiology Mark-Up 3,896% Costs $362,275 Charges $14,113,974 Look at that mark-up! This is for Anesthesiology! Something you need in an emergency. It cost the hospital $362,275 and yet they billed $14,113,974!!! This is the sort of ** that is ruining the health care system. Radiology Associates has a monopoly on this service and overcharges for it. Here is one more example from this hospital: Laboratory Mark-Up 1,181% Costs $3,456,067 Charges $40,800,994 Lab work cost the hospital about three and a half million and yet they billed almost forty-one million!!! There are ways to fight this abuse, especially if you are uninsured. Read on the site about how to defend yourself*. They will even review your bills and help you. The site says: "Know Your Rights Plan to Fight to Protect Your Assets: The courts say hospitals can collect only what is reasonable. Yes, all patients are required to sign a commitment to pay whatever is charged for treatment. But the courts have consistently ruled that hospital charges must be REASONABLE. What's a reasonable charge? That depends on the procedure, any complications, and in what area of the country you are hospitalized. What Medicare pays is a benchmark. Insurance companies usually pay 5% to 10 % more than medicare, but not 3 to 4 times more! We can help you find out what is reasonable. Don't let your credit be destroyed! It's important for you to take action. Write the hospital and credit agencies. Collection agencies, working on behalf of hospitals, have ruined the credit of many uninsured families in attempting to collect unreasonable bills. Writing a simple letter can protect you and your credit. We've posted a letter that you should fill out and send to the hospital, collection agency, and national credit bureaus. Keep a copy for yourself." This organization is fantastic, and more should avail themselves of it's services and information! Last edited by Unified Serenity; 08-20-2009 at 09:23 PM.*