Divide and Conquer

Karen · 08-05-2009, 09:50 PM

Why are some of us sometimes falling for all the little tricks to keep us divided?

Unified Serenity · 08-05-2009, 10:47 PM

Ego

Jack · 08-05-2009, 10:59 PM

Is this in general or refering to this site?

Phtha · 08-05-2009, 11:01 PM

Great point to bring up, we can't be conquered without first being divided.

Let's see here, we have the Alex Jones camp vs the Rense crew.

We have Project Camelot vs Sinclair and now apparently Eagles Disobey.

We have the Wilcock/Hoagland camp vs anyone who thinks Obama is not a savior.

We have the Tsarion/Maxwell vs the Awakened Christians ect..

There is much more back talking going on between the ones mentioned above as well, and this isn't even touching on half of it, including the battles that have been taking place on this forum as of late, which I assume is what this post was mainly about.

Hey you there! We are all on the same side when you get to the bottom of it (dis-info agents not included.. sorry). Imagine if all these heavy weights in the alternative scene put aside their differences and started to work together? Look out I say!

Karen · 08-05-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack

Is this in general or refering to this site?

First of all this site, especially of late.

People cop an attitude about something and leave.

And yes, the bigger whole enchilada also.

Yes, we create our reality - what we focus on expands ...

And Project Camelot is about whistleblowing about the bad and depressing news. The trick there as explained at the last Camelot conference by Kerry, is do not stay in the fear, move on into action.

I think it is critical that a section of us work on spreading the whistleblower messages for instance the latest about forced vaccination. In just a few weeks the kids will be back in school and they will be lined up for these extremely damaging injections. Mostly they do not kill outright, they just cause a lifetime of miserable symptoms with no explanation of the cause.

Don't we have room for both whistleblowing activations and positive thought campaigns?

mudra · 08-05-2009, 11:39 PM

To See

To see, to really see,
you must take off your head
and put it well aside, friends.

Open the eyes of your heart instead.
Open the ears of your soul
and ride on the river of light
that glows along: a constant caterpillar
leading you back home
to where you came from and have forgotten.

Your eyes see not into the nature of things.
They see the diver, but not the dive,
they see the winding smoke, but not the fire burning inside,
they see only the road before them, and not the moon sailing beside.
Rather you gouge them out than stay blind
to true vision which resides only in the chest,
beating, and pounding.
Why do you think the heart beats?
To call your attention, so wandering,
back to it.

Come home then, come home.
You can ride the big stream of heart.

Let the spirit rise out of you like steam,
like a snake uncoling, like a dreamer stepping into the dream.
The flowers are watered then with your tears,
the wounds are healed with your lips,
and pain is found out in everyones' hearts
and purged away to the lake, the sea, the ocean,
where it drowns in the cleansing waters.

Wash your ego from your self,
and step out of your skin
which is battle-worn and bruised from abuse.
Come swim in the golden waters of this pond,
naked, wearing only your spirit.

It's warm here like luminous oil massaging you.
There are morning doves and orchids at night
and in the day, there is rest and the stars.

The trees sing you lullabies
in harmony with the breeze
and the moon sometimes eclipses the sun.
You always have playmates--
ones who cry and laugh at once,
reveling in the irony, the paradox of the universe.
They work to stop suffering,
but their pain and their joy become one here
--pain a vine winding around the tree of joy,
and all explode together in green
where branches touch the sky.

We are one in the heart..we are two in the mind

Loving kindness
mudra

pyrangello · 08-06-2009, 01:06 AM

Mudra, the vibration level we should all be in , your always the one with the door wide open looking at nothing but light. Your always appreciated and a good balance to a reality check.thank you!

Karen, Oh I agree there are many forces at work to create division here it's up to Team Avalon to pull it togther, agree to disagree if you wish but to continue to keep the ship sailing forward no matter what. I watched the thread about all the soap opera stuff , mainly watching the #'s of readers of the thread, 3000 in 2 days , C mon were all better than this, and certainley much more educated.

What all of you that post on this site really need to understand is you are all role models for those who looking for what all of us stand for. Staying the course isn't that hard, staying out of the human vortex is. Focus , Light, Energy, and continue the direction that those who are looking for answers will find because of all of you. thats the avalon vision and all of you are the role models for those to follow. United we stand , divided we fall. I'm on board for the postive and constructive, how about you.

Anchor · 08-06-2009, 02:24 AM

3rd density is all about polarity.

Leveraging these challenges against us is a cinch for those that would see us fail to evolve.

Transcending this is all part of the process of evolution to a density of expression that is not polarized in the same way (STS vs STO).

A..

orthodoxymoron · 08-06-2009, 05:19 AM

I am trying to be on everyone's side...so in a sense...I am on no one's side. I'm not even on my own side...at least half of the time. The exodus really concerns me. Disagreement should not lead to leaving so quickly. Do we mistake the pain which arises from dealing with difficult material...to be pain inflicted by people commenting in this forum? We are mostly average people(I think)...attempting to deal with material which has mostly been unavailable to the public until recently. A lot of this stuff has probably been debated for decades behind closed doors by professors, politicians, Jesuits, theologians, executives, reptilians, greys, etc. If you take a close look at the material on YouTube, Google Video, various websites and books...disclosure is everywhere. The information and implications are enormous and overwhelming. It is a supreme challenge to become informed without becoming bitter and angry...or going insane. My guess is that the various factions are monitoring sites such as this one...to see how we are reacting or responding to the new information. This is a test. This is only a test.

tone3jaguar · 08-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pyrangello

Karen, Oh I agree there are many forces at work to create division here it's up to Team Avalon to pull it togther, agree to disagree if you wish but to continue to keep the ship sailing forward no matter what. I watched the thread about all the soap opera stuff , mainly watching the #'s of readers of the thread, 3000 in 2 days , C mon were all better than this, and certainley much more educated.

Standing up for truth and justice is Soap Opera? Please explain

Carol · 08-06-2009, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

3rd density is all about polarity.

Leveraging these challenges against us is a cinch for those that would see us fail to evolve.

Transcending this is all part of the process of evolution to a density of expression that is not polarized in the same way (STS vs STO).

A..

agreed Anchor.. also, the closer we get to 2012 the more intense the experience of light and dark becomes. Individuals are being pushed into making a choice as to what path they choose to walk on.

day · 08-06-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

agreed Anchor.. also, the closer we get to 2012 the more intense the experience of light and dark becomes. Individuals are being pushed into making a choice as to what path they choose to walk on.

that is what i feel Carol...always enjoy your posts

Jnana · 08-06-2009, 04:07 PM

I think disagreement is to be expected. People who are awakening come from so many different backgrounds and face such a mess of conflicting information that we inevitably will end up with different points of view. Challenging another point of view can be good if it's done with kindness, respect, and attention to what your own justification is for feeling as you do.

This is serious stuff. People are making major life decisions based on the information they find. Some people may even think they are helping to save lives by persuading others to their point of view. I think it's to be expected that some people will become a bit overwrought from time to time. Kindness in responses is appropriate even when somebody goes off on a tirade.

Plain text on a screen can be difficult to interpret emotionally. What the poster thinks as a simple statement of fact may trigger an extreme emotional response in someone else. I've had this happen to me. All attempts at clarification failed. What can you do?

It is unfortunate when someone with valuable input decides to leave, but that's their decision to make. Who knows, it may give them time to accomplish something valuable in real life that they weren't getting done because of all the time spent on this forum!

The lie of division is pervasive in our culture. It's not that surprising that even people who are well aware of it fall back into the trap from time to time. We're not perfect. All we can do is keep trying to be the best we can be.

THE eXchanger · 08-06-2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jnana

I think disagreement is to be expected. People who are awakening come from so many different backgrounds and face such a mess of conflicting information that we inevitably will end up with different points of view. Challenging another point of view can be good if it's done with kindness, respect, and attention to what your own justification is for feeling as you do.

This is serious stuff. People are making major life decisions based on the information they find. Some people may even think they are helping to save lives by persuading others to their point of view. I think it's to be expected that some people will become a bit overwrought from time to time. Kindness in responses is appropriate even when somebody goes off on a tirade.

Plain text on a screen can be difficult to interpret emotionally. What the poster thinks as a simple statement of fact may trigger an extreme emotional response in someone else. I've had this happen to me. All attempts at clarification failed. What can you do?

It is unfortunate when someone with valuable input decides to leave, but that's their decision to make. Who knows, it may give them time to accomplish something valuable in real life that they weren't getting done because of all the time spent on this forum!

The lie of division is pervasive in our culture. It's not that surprising that even people who are well aware of it fall back into the trap from time to time. We're not perfect. All we can do is keep trying to be the best we can be.

This is very well stated --

it is really true - that just words (do NOT eXpress emotions)

and, all of this - is very real

everyone here, has a different set of missions/purposes/and, tasks

sometimes, souls land on earth - come way ahead of their time

and, sometimes, souls land on earth - right on time

We are all here, to find,
what parts of the puzzle, we can put back together,
and, do it, in ways, that help everyone

i can certainly relate to the statement...

"This is serious stuff.

People are making major life decisions

based on the information they find"

very good points, are being made, in this thread

thank you, for your sharings

Starlah · 08-07-2009, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karen

Why are some of us sometimes falling for all the little tricks to keep us divided?

__________________________________________

Has anyone noticed that we are involved in a physical as well as a spiritual War? I certainly have...and the attacks on my Being are taking a toll both in my personal life and on a global scale...although I am strong and will persevere. I know how to protect my Health despite suffering from a immune disorder.
If you don't have Health you have nothing. We must take care of our Self if we are to overcome the next few years.
Here in British Columbia the province is being ravaged by wildfires. I'm literally overcome by the fumes/pollution since relocating recently to the Mainland.
Clarity of vision/truth has always been my goal externally and internally although at the moment British Columbia's climate has not been cooperating.
__________________________________________________ _______________
When the going gets tough, the tough get going.......................(Anon)

08-05-2009, 09:50 PM	#1
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Divide and Conquer Why are some of us sometimes falling for all the little tricks to keep us divided?

08-05-2009, 10:47 PM	#2
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Divide and Conquer Ego

08-05-2009, 10:59 PM	#3
Jack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 454	Re: Divide and Conquer Is this in general or refering to this site?

08-05-2009, 11:01 PM	#4
Phtha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 947	Re: Divide and Conquer Great point to bring up, we can't be conquered without first being divided. Let's see here, we have the Alex Jones camp vs the Rense crew. We have Project Camelot vs Sinclair and now apparently Eagles Disobey. We have the Wilcock/Hoagland camp vs anyone who thinks Obama is not a savior. We have the Tsarion/Maxwell vs the Awakened Christians ect.. There is much more back talking going on between the ones mentioned above as well, and this isn't even touching on half of it, including the battles that have been taking place on this forum as of late, which I assume is what this post was mainly about. Hey you there! We are all on the same side when you get to the bottom of it (dis-info agents not included.. sorry). Imagine if all these heavy weights in the alternative scene put aside their differences and started to work together? Look out I say!

08-05-2009, 11:39 PM	#6
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: Divide and Conquer To See To see, to really see, you must take off your head and put it well aside, friends. Open the eyes of your heart instead. Open the ears of your soul and ride on the river of light that glows along: a constant caterpillar leading you back home to where you came from and have forgotten. Your eyes see not into the nature of things. They see the diver, but not the dive, they see the winding smoke, but not the fire burning inside, they see only the road before them, and not the moon sailing beside. Rather you gouge them out than stay blind to true vision which resides only in the chest, beating, and pounding. Why do you think the heart beats? To call your attention, so wandering, back to it. Come home then, come home. You can ride the big stream of heart. Let the spirit rise out of you like steam, like a snake uncoling, like a dreamer stepping into the dream. The flowers are watered then with your tears, the wounds are healed with your lips, and pain is found out in everyones' hearts and purged away to the lake, the sea, the ocean, where it drowns in the cleansing waters. Wash your ego from your self, and step out of your skin which is battle-worn and bruised from abuse. Come swim in the golden waters of this pond, naked, wearing only your spirit. It's warm here like luminous oil massaging you. There are morning doves and orchids at night and in the day, there is rest and the stars. The trees sing you lullabies in harmony with the breeze and the moon sometimes eclipses the sun. You always have playmates-- ones who cry and laugh at once, reveling in the irony, the paradox of the universe. They work to stop suffering, but their pain and their joy become one here --pain a vine winding around the tree of joy, and all explode together in green where branches touch the sky. We are one in the heart..we are two in the mind Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 08-05-2009 at 11:42 PM.

08-06-2009, 01:06 AM	#7
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Divide and Conquer Mudra, the vibration level we should all be in , your always the one with the door wide open looking at nothing but light. Your always appreciated and a good balance to a reality check.thank you! Karen, Oh I agree there are many forces at work to create division here it's up to Team Avalon to pull it togther, agree to disagree if you wish but to continue to keep the ship sailing forward no matter what. I watched the thread about all the soap opera stuff , mainly watching the #'s of readers of the thread, 3000 in 2 days , C mon were all better than this, and certainley much more educated. What all of you that post on this site really need to understand is you are all role models for those who looking for what all of us stand for. Staying the course isn't that hard, staying out of the human vortex is. Focus , Light, Energy, and continue the direction that those who are looking for answers will find because of all of you. thats the avalon vision and all of you are the role models for those to follow. United we stand , divided we fall. I'm on board for the postive and constructive, how about you.

08-06-2009, 02:24 AM	#8
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Divide and Conquer 3rd density is all about polarity. Leveraging these challenges against us is a cinch for those that would see us fail to evolve. Transcending this is all part of the process of evolution to a density of expression that is not polarized in the same way (STS vs STO). A..

08-06-2009, 05:19 AM	#9
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Divide and Conquer I am trying to be on everyone's side...so in a sense...I am on no one's side. I'm not even on my own side...at least half of the time. The exodus really concerns me. Disagreement should not lead to leaving so quickly. Do we mistake the pain which arises from dealing with difficult material...to be pain inflicted by people commenting in this forum? We are mostly average people(I think)...attempting to deal with material which has mostly been unavailable to the public until recently. A lot of this stuff has probably been debated for decades behind closed doors by professors, politicians, Jesuits, theologians, executives, reptilians, greys, etc. If you take a close look at the material on YouTube, Google Video, various websites and books...disclosure is everywhere. The information and implications are enormous and overwhelming. It is a supreme challenge to become informed without becoming bitter and angry...or going insane. My guess is that the various factions are monitoring sites such as this one...to see how we are reacting or responding to the new information. This is a test. This is only a test.

08-06-2009, 04:07 PM	#13
Jnana Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 653	Re: Divide and Conquer I think disagreement is to be expected. People who are awakening come from so many different backgrounds and face such a mess of conflicting information that we inevitably will end up with different points of view. Challenging another point of view can be good if it's done with kindness, respect, and attention to what your own justification is for feeling as you do. This is serious stuff. People are making major life decisions based on the information they find. Some people may even think they are helping to save lives by persuading others to their point of view. I think it's to be expected that some people will become a bit overwrought from time to time. Kindness in responses is appropriate even when somebody goes off on a tirade. Plain text on a screen can be difficult to interpret emotionally. What the poster thinks as a simple statement of fact may trigger an extreme emotional response in someone else. I've had this happen to me. All attempts at clarification failed. What can you do? It is unfortunate when someone with valuable input decides to leave, but that's their decision to make. Who knows, it may give them time to accomplish something valuable in real life that they weren't getting done because of all the time spent on this forum! The lie of division is pervasive in our culture. It's not that surprising that even people who are well aware of it fall back into the trap from time to time. We're not perfect. All we can do is keep trying to be the best we can be.