Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?

[TtC]

The thing about "pure democracy" is that it is a population dependent concept. I will only work with a certain amount of people. History has shown us that it breaks down at about three hundred people as does "pure anarchy" (a society without government, not the lawlessness/evil thing that a lot of people think of).

Pure democracy, in my mind, would mean that you vote on every single decision. If you have too many people in such a system, it may take you three days to decide what to have for lunch. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't think most people would sit around the entire day deciding what to do. The way we currently live, we vote someone into "power" and they are "supposed" to act in our best interest. They usually don't unless we complain a lot and then it is usually just a small compromise to make the masses be quiet. The issue is, there were never checks and balances put in place to curb the power. Canada's system was adopted from the already corrupt British and so was the United States', partially.

If I had to choose something that was semi-acceptable, I would pick the Swiss system. They have a plebiscite on nearly all major decisions within each Canton. That means all who wish to vote go out and vote. I'm not sure if such a system is manipulated, I am just saying that in theory it seems better than most.

Within small groups, pure democracy can work wonders provided no one argues. I have been told of situations where people argue about something and then while some are still arguing, another group just does what was being argued about. The arguing takes up time and energy and solves nothing. There needs to be agreements at the beginning to minimize or eliminate arguing, otherwise things can get very out-of-hand.

After three hundred people is a different matter.

The piece Artvision is alluding to is HERE if anyone wishes to read it.

[artvision]

Originally Posted by TtC

The thing about "pure democracy" is that it is a population dependent concept. I will only work with a certain amount of people. History has shown us that it breaks down at about three hundred people as does "pure anarchy" (a society without government, not the lawlessness/evil thing that a lot of people think of).

Pure democracy, in my mind, would mean that you vote on every single decision. If you have too many people in such a system, it may take you three days to decide what to have for lunch. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't think most people would sit around the entire day deciding what to do.
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After three hundred people is a different matter.

The piece Artvision is alluding to is HERE if anyone wishes to read it.

TtC, you have perfectly right, with the amount of people have to decide what to do, which way to go. Also sorry for forgetting mention the link when I was referring to your site.

As I never thought of a radiant zone of more than 20, max 30 families (meaning not more than 60-100 people), though the mundane jobs could be handled by some voted by majority as "RESPONSIBLE".

STOREKEEPER, G.I. JOE, DOC, INTEL GUY, FATHER OF THE LAND, HANDY MAN, CHEF, MASTER CRAFTSMAN, etc

These persons will coordinate the specific activities, but all the important, life/death decisions, will be taken by the democratic vote of majority.

The community leader must to exults the energy of leadership, he/she must be the most trusted and knowledgeable and his/her decision will be at own responsability when the situation require fast action.

[Myplanet2]

You can not "break" into the new, while residing in the old.

Multidimensionality is not easy to grasp until you experience it, at which point you cease attempting to grasp it.

Old paradigm thinking is "if this, then that". "first you this, then you that". That's linear 3D paradigm. The very same one which spawned "Top Down" organization. It has no imagination. It has no creativity. It has no spontaneity. It's "thought through". "figured out".

It's OLD, OLD, OLD. It's done. It's gone to meet it's maker. It is no more. It's shuffled off it's mortal coil. The fat lady sang up a storm.

You can't "organize" a radiant zone. If you are trying to do so, the joke is on you. Organized Radiant Zone is an oxymoron.

Let's plan this thing out, and watch nobody show up.

Undoubtedly, the results of such attempts will be better than, an improvement over, efforts to simply survive with "My Stuff and People" intact. That's just homo sapiens fear talking.

The lions share of the work involved in this evolution into 4th and 5th density, is all about letting go. It's in examining, honestly, what serves. And what serves not. Letting go of all the "trained in" ways of perceiving. We are waiting to burst forth from a cocoon of our own manufacture, one hard lesson, one regretted mistake, one will imposed, one submission to a "knows best", one sacrifice, at a time.

we are evolving into a reality where control and personal power are obsolete, and in a way that is obvious to all. Where we are headed, no few, control any many. It's not necessary, because we all know one another's hearts and minds.

If you stop now and take stock of what you perceived about others some few short years ago, and what you perceive now, you'll see how far along this path we've already come.

Organized Radiant Zones? As opposed to real Radiant Zones? That's like the difference between watching a life in a movie, and living one.

[artvision]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

You can not "break" into the new, while residing in the old.

Multidimensionality is not easy to grasp until you experience it, at which point you cease attempting to grasp it.

Old paradigm thinking is "if this, then that". "first you this, then you that". That's linear 3D paradigm. The very same one which spawned "Top Down" organization. It has no imagination. It has no creativity. It has no spontaneity. It's "thought through". "figured out".

It's OLD, OLD, OLD. It's done. It's gone to meet it's maker. It is no more. It's shuffled off it's mortal coil. The fat lady sang up a storm.

You can't "organize" a radiant zone. If you are trying to do so, the joke is on you. Organized Radiant Zone is an oxymoron.

Let's plan this thing out, and watch nobody show up.

Undoubtedly, the results of such attempts will be better than, an improvement over, efforts to simply survive with "My Stuff and People" intact. That's just homo sapiens fear talking.

The lions share of the work involved in this evolution into 4th and 5th density, is all about letting go. It's in examining, honestly, what serves. And what serves not. Letting go of all the "trained in" ways of perceiving. We are waiting to burst forth from a cocoon of our own manufacture, one hard lesson, one regretted mistake, one will imposed, one submission to a "knows best", one sacrifice, at a time.

we are evolving into a reality where control and personal power are obsolete, and in a way that is obvious to all. Where we are headed, no few, control any many. It's not necessary, because we all know one another's hearts and minds.

If you stop now and take stock of what you perceived about others some few short years ago, and what you perceive now, you'll see how far along this path we've already come.

Organized Radiant Zones? As opposed to real Radiant Zones? That's like the difference between watching a life in a movie, and living one.

Dear Myplanet2,

Your words cannot go without touching a truthful and sensitive heart. I cannot argue with you in any of the senses, meaning nor agree nor dissenting as long a human being, that I know (or me), never experienced a dimensional shift or never been there in the new to come, or which maybe existing now in a parallel universe or in the Thought of the Universe. Because our being is not grasping yet this high knowledges, we are still chained in the old Paradigm.

What need to contradict you (see this 3D human desire of contradicting, which is raised by non knowing priori what will be), at least as concept level is that nothing in Universe cannot happened in an instant. In advanced physics and electronics, there is not existing in reality the Signal Puls, which should be vertical perfectly in the graphs. In reality these cannot be accomplished because the speed of variation cannot be infinite. At least in the nature we can grasp and quantize. But then I heard reading esoteric sources stories that even people when dead, there is not instant. There is still a period of 3 days time when the so called "soul" is like the software that handled the hardware of the body, is first leaving the hands, then the feet, then hearth and concentrate in spinal cord and then it leaves the material body.

Judging so, by this and also by scientific issues, we can say dead, not-so-dead and completely dead.

This why, I think the conscience shift must be gradually, not suddenly (cannot variate in time=0, perfectly), because that would lead to some enormous instabilities and troubles and against physics to an infinite amount of energy. Even the wormholes are consuming extraordinary high amount of energy, can be calculated by the size of the hole, but still is finite!

Remaining the concept of shifting in other dimension if can be counted instanly in the first universe system of reference-referential system of universe from where we left, may only then could be instant, I don't know, but that is just a technicality, that God will easily sort it out. Whatever I'm say is that I believe that we need a period of preparations then is happening the shift, and those unable will not make it. Who knows or who can illustrate this things, or better who can pass you though that things?

I am highly appreciated your words, excuse my lack of: ability, knowledge, living experience of such things, for what will come.

I give a more profound though of what you said. So are you stating that we should modify ourselves on our inside, then became as a radiant Zone, not physically construct one, because that part will be taken care by God, if we ARE as he wishes us to be?
That's meaning we should work on our thoughts, on our feelings, on our consciens, to do and emanate positivity and don't worry, the rest is taken care? You should want us to leave the old mentality of Oh may God, what I'm going to do? I need to do this retreat, I do need store this provisions, so and so. That are you stating, MyPlanet2?

Hope I wasn't so confusing, but also for me these things not very clear.

[Myplanet2]

Artvision. I see your heart. You are so far along already.

There is nothing coming. It's already here. the shift has been taking place for several years already, and it'll be all over by the end of 2012.

The idea of instantaneous depends on the existence of linear time. Since linear time does not exist in fact, and since we must create the view that it does constantly, we need simply choose to view differently.

In multidimensional reality, there is only now. and everything which we try to stretch out into the past and future, including all the infinite variations we constantly shift between, exist now. Everything is now, and we simply choose our participation.

We are creative. The universe supports our creation. We choose what to have manifest, and the universe provides it.

But most of our creative aspects exist outside of time, so if we try to analyze from within this "placed Viewpoint", it seems not to be so. We say I want riches manifested, or I want peace. Since the concept "now" is irrelevant unless seen in context of "then", that peace and riches could manifest any-when.

Multi dimensional ideas don't translate into tri dimensional paradigm.

Mind doesn't lead to multidimensional existence, heart does.

And science is making the leap too, in a way. Listen to Kerry's interview with Ananda Bosman.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/...amelot_09.html

[Oliver]

Thanks to the Myplanet2 and Maletzky`s approach we now entered a paradox, and this is very good: from one side it shows that this discussion is profound, and from the other one shows how all of the manifestations of the 3D reality have their own paradoxes in it’s very essence; the “truth” becomes multileveled and even impossible to reach as “one for all”, cognitive insights cross themselves, breaking each other, everything is relativised.
These are the borders of 3D, it is limited, we all get to this point, day by day. Paradoxes show us these limitations, and push us toward higher reality. Paradoxes are blessed.
Yes, there is no possibility to create a perfect radiant zone or community in terms of 3D. Yes, it is very valuable right to think that that RZ will not be needed…or allowed. And yes, I am not sure should I personally participate to some RZ or community. I believe that some kind of organized life can be taken only as a TRANSITIONAL model. I proposed one draft, and used the term anarchy, among all. Anarchy means higher level of conscious among the members of society, so they must not be governed in purpose to behave socially acceptable. Conscious is the first word for every kind of anarchistic approach (but also it is a kind of rule “to have no rules”, which is a paradox par exellance). Thus, anarchy is on the very border of 3D reality with higher forms of life organization that are not known to us, and anarchy substantially makes the leadership and ownership – two basic manifestations of the ego in this reality - worthless. Egoism, personal and collective (national or corporative, for example) is destroying this planet. Every evil has the egoism as its source. Anarchy means destroying the ego, smashing it!
At the end, it is simply - there is something named CHOICE. Or FREE WILL. They are multidimensional and because of that, together with consciousness and love, are most valuable gift that life form can have. People can choose how and with whom they will leave, how they will prepare themselves…for the unknown!

Respect

[Myplanet2]

And speaking of paradox, I began to learn of 3d limitations not by "progressing" from here to there. (very 3D view) But by catching Multi D pointers from those who've restored their multidimensionality or never locked their awareness of it away in the first place.

When they speak, it is timeless. The Ground crew handbooks have that quality. open them anywhere, and you'll read something relevant to right now.

When these higher dimensional entities (often collectives) talk about what reality is like for them, and how it differs from what we experience, and especially in the case of those beings who, like us, took the dive down into 3D, foregoing in the process all knowledge and memory of who they are and what their capabilities are, and then working their way back home, as we are in the process of doing, and also describing the journey they took on the way back to their multidimensional home, The oneness of infinite love and compassion, then we can gleen clues about where we're headed, and we are able to shift back into the multi dimensional. They describe how things are, just beyond what we currently permit ourselves to see. If we then take the cue and look for ourselves, we shift, and see differently from there on.

The paradox for me, was that I couldn't get the idea of linear until I saw multi again. I made the leap and worked backwards from there. Backwards time, if you will.

And then it got interesting. I'm now looking over the blockages I placed in 3D, which impede my awareness in mulit D. So far, I've discovered that I was completely and happily deluding myself as to what the various significances of this and other lives have been. I can now see the higher aspect of myselves hands in there, stirring the pot, dropping challenges in my way, providing synchronistic lessons with conundrum qualities, permitting me to encounter events where I was hurt, joyful, and anything else on the multi dimensional chalk board.

And further paradox, is that I see when looking from my higher aspect consciousness, that I know all these lessons fully, yet in my 3D aspect, the lessons continue in full 3D density. Would my higher aspect Know what it knows outside of time, and be able to guide me as it does, if I was not learning it here and now in 3D?

Paradox indeed.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

There is nothing coming. It's already here. the shift has been taking place for several years already, and it'll be all over by the end of 2012.

We are creative. The universe supports our creation. We choose what to have manifest, and the universe provides it.

MY RADIENT ZONE IS GAIA!

THE WHOLE PLANET EARTH NEEDS TO HEAL!

NOT JUST A SELECT FEW! ALL OF EVERYONE!


HIDE OUT IN THE OPEN!!!
PEACE JT