Carbon

Northboy · 09-13-2008, 10:16 PM

Its interesting how the paradigms at play in the world are turning public opinion against carbon. Carbon emmissions (used to be called "soot"), carbon taxes, etc.

The truth is that sustainable economies and planet stewardship go hand in hand if carbon based industries are sought. Carbon is renewable.
So, carbon food (ie. bioproducts) carbon composites for construction of goods (kevlar, graphite, etc.), activated carbon for water filtration, carbon for fuel (bio mass and charcoal).

Heck, you could build a whole sustainable society around carbon based goods....

But the powers to be steer us away from thinking about carbon, making us value hydro-carbon...

Makes a person go Hmmmmmmmmm....

Northboy · 09-15-2008, 10:58 PM

Bump.

There is a hidden message behind this....

doodah · 09-16-2008, 01:10 AM

You may not like my interpretation of the hidden message, but here it is:

Petrocarbon - petroleum - oil - has come to dominate this entire planet in a very short period of time, just about 60 years. Also in that 60 years, this entire planet has become poisoned in just about every way you can think of. The research will show that our children are now being born already poisoned, with up to 200 completely alien, unnatural, manmade toxins in their blood, most of them petroleum derivatives. This is so unnatural that I don't know why it hasn't sent people into a rage.

The hidden message is that the people in charge of this planet are killing this planet. The reason they are doing that is that the "people" are not human. Everything that has happened in the past 60 years has been meant to disrupt all the natural cycles of this planet. This is being done because some-body or some-thing wants this planet, and they are taking it.

Everything connected with petro-carbons - petroleum - oil is poisonous to Native Earth Life. That's you and me and all the animals and plants. Research will show that almost everything made from oil is harmful to this planet and its lifeforms in some way. People don't seem to know that less than 1/2 of the oil that we use is fuel; the rest is used by industry - petro-chemicals - every one of them harmful to Native Earth Life. [As a side-note, just before oil took over, it was coal, another carbon, that was the basis of industrial chemicals.]

This is SO outside any natural system, and it has been deliberate. We've known about these harmful effects for over 50 years, yet no one seems to be able to get these "people" to stop doing these harmful things.

The research to be done to link all this up is enormous. There are many very weird biological disruptions going on on this planet. My hypothesis is that they ALL link back to petroleum and petroleum derivatives.

Just one example: plastics. Made from oil. Outgas harmful substances, research just now surfacing about this. Baby bottles. Bisphenol A - petroleum derivative. Pesticides - neurotoxins - petroleum derivative. Changing sex characteristics in fish - endocrine system disruptors - petroleum derivatives.

Plastic is a substance TOTALLY ALIEN to this planet. By alien I mean that the set of circumstances necessary for the making of plastic is so complex that it cannot occur naturally, but can only happen in a laboratory. By contrast, for instance, glass CAN occur naturally if temperatures are high enough and there is sand around. Kevlar is a petro-chemical product. The new superstrong polymers are produced from oil. They are plastics.

If you threw away everything in your house that is either made of plastic or has plastic components, what would you have left? Almost nothing. Plastics - OIL - has taken over our lives, replacing natural substances like wood, natural fibers, glass, ceramics, metal. Most of your car is made of plastics - OIL.

ETs gave the Germans technology as early as the 20s. Then came Roswell. Then came the oil giants taking over the Earth, squelching all other forms of alternative energy that were cleaner and less harmful, and developing more and more industrial processes derived from oil. This harmful train has been barreling down the tracks for 60 years, despite how destructive it has been to this planet. This has never made sense, to kill the very planet that sustains our own lives.

Who is in charge here? That's the message!

doodah · 09-16-2008, 06:13 PM

But the good news is -- and this is another one of those things that requires that people become educated about this issue and wake up -- that we Native Earth Humans can fight back. It's interesting that they actually need us in our role as consumers. This system of oil dependence exists because we have been brainwashed into the love affair with the automobile, and the convenience and so-called cheapness of plastics. If consumers don't buy these things ... as is happening now, thank goodness, because of the high price of oil ... then this whole system collapses.

We have power. It's the power to say no and to follow that up with action, which means to not buy anything made of plastic, or anything with petroleum derivatives in it. Which means we won't be buying very much of anything, since almost everything seems to be made from oil.

Northboy · 09-16-2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doodah

You may not like my interpretation of the hidden message, but here it is:

Petrocarbon - petroleum - oil - has come to dominate this entire planet in a very short period of time, just about 60 years. Also in that 60 years, this entire planet has become poisoned in just about every way you can think of. The research will show that our children are now being born already poisoned, with up to 200 completely alien, unnatural, manmade toxins in their blood, most of them petroleum derivatives. This is so unnatural that I don't know why it hasn't sent people into a rage.

The hidden message is that the people in charge of this planet are killing this planet. The reason they are doing that is that the "people" are not human. Everything that has happened in the past 60 years has been meant to disrupt all the natural cycles of this planet. This is being done because some-body or some-thing wants this planet, and they are taking it.

Everything connected with petro-carbons - petroleum - oil is poisonous to Native Earth Life. That's you and me and all the animals and plants. Research will show that almost everything made from oil is harmful to this planet and its lifeforms in some way. People don't seem to know that less than 1/2 of the oil that we use is fuel; the rest is used by industry - petro-chemicals - every one of them harmful to Native Earth Life. [As a side-note, just before oil took over, it was coal, another carbon, that was the basis of industrial chemicals.]

This is SO outside any natural system, and it has been deliberate. We've known about these harmful effects for over 50 years, yet no one seems to be able to get these "people" to stop doing these harmful things.

The research to be done to link all this up is enormous. There are many very weird biological disruptions going on on this planet. My hypothesis is that they ALL link back to petroleum and petroleum derivatives.

Just one example: plastics. Made from oil. Outgas harmful substances, research just now surfacing about this. Baby bottles. Bisphenol A - petroleum derivative. Pesticides - neurotoxins - petroleum derivative. Changing sex characteristics in fish - endocrine system disruptors - petroleum derivatives.

Plastic is a substance TOTALLY ALIEN to this planet. By alien I mean that the set of circumstances necessary for the making of plastic is so complex that it cannot occur naturally, but can only happen in a laboratory. By contrast, for instance, glass CAN occur naturally if temperatures are high enough and there is sand around. Kevlar is a petro-chemical product. The new superstrong polymers are produced from oil. They are plastics.

If you threw away everything in your house that is either made of plastic or has plastic components, what would you have left? Almost nothing. Plastics - OIL - has taken over our lives, replacing natural substances like wood, natural fibers, glass, ceramics, metal. Most of your car is made of plastics - OIL.

ETs gave the Germans technology as early as the 20s. Then came Roswell. Then came the oil giants taking over the Earth, squelching all other forms of alternative energy that were cleaner and less harmful, and developing more and more industrial processes derived from oil. This harmful train has been barreling down the tracks for 60 years, despite how destructive it has been to this planet. This has never made sense, to kill the very planet that sustains our own lives.

Who is in charge here? That's the message!

I don't have any problem with your interpretation. Oil is after all hydro carbon.

The carbon I speak of is organic carbon such as charcoal.

My point was that we need to get off oil.

doodah · 09-16-2008, 08:08 PM

Yes, exactly, I got that from your post, and agree 100%. Every time I hear one more politician talk about offshore drilling, or our need to become independent of foreign oil, I realize how far we are from making the changes that need to be made. They are all still inside the oil box. We've got to get outside of it.

So, yes, please, put forward alternative ideas about how carbon can work for us and not against us!

Northboy · 09-16-2008, 10:50 PM

First, don't worry about the automobile right now.

1. move goods around the country - bio powered steam technology?

2. shipping on rivers - off deisel- bio powered steam again

3. Heating - wood pellet heating as a transition to ???? But wood pellets right now and for the next few years.

4. Activated charcoal for water filtration- plant cost approx. $ 8 million for 300 tons/day production - product currently valued at $ 1800 / ton. Plant payback = 3 years.

5. carbon textile composite production - product value target $ 6363./ ton ($7/kg)

6.Centralized heat and power production from wood and organic waste.- target production cost for green system .16/kwh. This is higher than hydro and coal, but the power production can be mixed on the grid to yield an overall average rate around .09/kwh for retail consumption.

Willow - medicine plant and small container making material

Balsam bark - boiled in a tea for respiratory ailments (it works)- this to me is also "carbon."

After all, carbon is a building block of life.

09-13-2008, 10:16 PM	#1
Northboy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vanderhoof, BC Posts: 73	Carbon Its interesting how the paradigms at play in the world are turning public opinion against carbon. Carbon emmissions (used to be called "soot"), carbon taxes, etc. The truth is that sustainable economies and planet stewardship go hand in hand if carbon based industries are sought. Carbon is renewable. So, carbon food (ie. bioproducts) carbon composites for construction of goods (kevlar, graphite, etc.), activated carbon for water filtration, carbon for fuel (bio mass and charcoal). Heck, you could build a whole sustainable society around carbon based goods.... But the powers to be steer us away from thinking about carbon, making us value hydro-carbon... Makes a person go Hmmmmmmmmm....

09-15-2008, 10:58 PM	#2
Northboy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vanderhoof, BC Posts: 73	Re: Carbon Bump. There is a hidden message behind this....

09-16-2008, 01:10 AM	#3
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: Carbon You may not like my interpretation of the hidden message, but here it is: Petrocarbon - petroleum - oil - has come to dominate this entire planet in a very short period of time, just about 60 years. Also in that 60 years, this entire planet has become poisoned in just about every way you can think of. The research will show that our children are now being born already poisoned, with up to 200 completely alien, unnatural, manmade toxins in their blood, most of them petroleum derivatives. This is so unnatural that I don't know why it hasn't sent people into a rage. The hidden message is that the people in charge of this planet are killing this planet. The reason they are doing that is that the "people" are not human. Everything that has happened in the past 60 years has been meant to disrupt all the natural cycles of this planet. This is being done because some-body or some-thing wants this planet, and they are taking it. Everything connected with petro-carbons - petroleum - oil is poisonous to Native Earth Life. That's you and me and all the animals and plants. Research will show that almost everything made from oil is harmful to this planet and its lifeforms in some way. People don't seem to know that less than 1/2 of the oil that we use is fuel; the rest is used by industry - petro-chemicals - every one of them harmful to Native Earth Life. [As a side-note, just before oil took over, it was coal, another carbon, that was the basis of industrial chemicals.] This is SO outside any natural system, and it has been deliberate. We've known about these harmful effects for over 50 years, yet no one seems to be able to get these "people" to stop doing these harmful things. The research to be done to link all this up is enormous. There are many very weird biological disruptions going on on this planet. My hypothesis is that they ALL link back to petroleum and petroleum derivatives. Just one example: plastics. Made from oil. Outgas harmful substances, research just now surfacing about this. Baby bottles. Bisphenol A - petroleum derivative. Pesticides - neurotoxins - petroleum derivative. Changing sex characteristics in fish - endocrine system disruptors - petroleum derivatives. Plastic is a substance TOTALLY ALIEN to this planet. By alien I mean that the set of circumstances necessary for the making of plastic is so complex that it cannot occur naturally, but can only happen in a laboratory. By contrast, for instance, glass CAN occur naturally if temperatures are high enough and there is sand around. Kevlar is a petro-chemical product. The new superstrong polymers are produced from oil. They are plastics. If you threw away everything in your house that is either made of plastic or has plastic components, what would you have left? Almost nothing. Plastics - OIL - has taken over our lives, replacing natural substances like wood, natural fibers, glass, ceramics, metal. Most of your car is made of plastics - OIL. ETs gave the Germans technology as early as the 20s. Then came Roswell. Then came the oil giants taking over the Earth, squelching all other forms of alternative energy that were cleaner and less harmful, and developing more and more industrial processes derived from oil. This harmful train has been barreling down the tracks for 60 years, despite how destructive it has been to this planet. This has never made sense, to kill the very planet that sustains our own lives. Who is in charge here? That's the message! Last edited by doodah; 09-16-2008 at 02:06 AM.

09-16-2008, 06:13 PM	#4
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: Carbon But the good news is -- and this is another one of those things that requires that people become educated about this issue and wake up -- that we Native Earth Humans can fight back. It's interesting that they actually need us in our role as consumers. This system of oil dependence exists because we have been brainwashed into the love affair with the automobile, and the convenience and so-called cheapness of plastics. If consumers don't buy these things ... as is happening now, thank goodness, because of the high price of oil ... then this whole system collapses. We have power. It's the power to say no and to follow that up with action, which means to not buy anything made of plastic, or anything with petroleum derivatives in it. Which means we won't be buying very much of anything, since almost everything seems to be made from oil. Last edited by doodah; 09-16-2008 at 06:16 PM.

09-16-2008, 08:08 PM	#6
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: Carbon Yes, exactly, I got that from your post, and agree 100%. Every time I hear one more politician talk about offshore drilling, or our need to become independent of foreign oil, I realize how far we are from making the changes that need to be made. They are all still inside the oil box. We've got to get outside of it. So, yes, please, put forward alternative ideas about how carbon can work for us and not against us!

09-16-2008, 10:50 PM	#7
Northboy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vanderhoof, BC Posts: 73	Re: Carbon First, don't worry about the automobile right now. 1. move goods around the country - bio powered steam technology? 2. shipping on rivers - off deisel- bio powered steam again 3. Heating - wood pellet heating as a transition to ???? But wood pellets right now and for the next few years. 4. Activated charcoal for water filtration- plant cost approx. $ 8 million for 300 tons/day production - product currently valued at $ 1800 / ton. Plant payback = 3 years. 5. carbon textile composite production - product value target $ 6363./ ton ($7/kg) 6.Centralized heat and power production from wood and organic waste.- target production cost for green system .16/kwh. This is higher than hydro and coal, but the power production can be mixed on the grid to yield an overall average rate around .09/kwh for retail consumption. Willow - medicine plant and small container making material Balsam bark - boiled in a tea for respiratory ailments (it works)- this to me is also "carbon." After all, carbon is a building block of life.