Ivan "Evon" Stein 2012 Presentation!

[Jnana]

Who are some scientists that can be trusted to provide information surrounding possible natural disasters associated with 2012?

I don't think I can answer that question. First of all, I don't buy into the 2012 mythology. It's just a date that will come and go. I do feel very strongly that we are in a period of transition, but it's a good thing, not something to fear. It's already started and will continue past 2012. Just my view based on my experiences. Pretty much all fear-invoking scenarios associated with 2012 have been devised to make people afraid in a lame attempt to interfere with this consciousness raising process.

For the most part, established science and 2012 just don't mix. Very few geologists give a hoot about the interpretation of the Mayan calendar that says 2012 is significant. Very few Mayan scholars buy that interpretation, which is essentially the work of one man. Science works by consensus. In claiming a scientific basis for 2012 predictions, Stein is just making stuff up, but invoking the word "science" to give his presentation on air of credibility to people that don't notice how many horribly wrong things he says (e.g.: carbon dating of rocks, the bicycle wheel fan analogy for the galaxy, and how fossil formation works, just for starters).

People with scientific training can and do find themselves interested in the spiritual side of the universe. I consider myself reasonably scientifically literate, which is why it really rubs me the wrong way when some says "scientific" and then spews a bunch of nonsense that proves their ignorance of the science they are invoking. That being said, I also know that much of established science is dogma, and there's a whole bunch missing from it. That's still no reason for presenting BS as "science".

Anyone can tell you that eventually San Francisco is going to experience another big earthquake eventually. It's difficult for geologists to say when with much accuracy because there are so many unknown quantities. We know there are coronal mass ejections from the sun, but saying for certain that a big one will come our way on a certain date isn't possible using conventional science. If you are looking to conventional science for predictions, just remember how accurate long term weather forecasts usually are.

Preparing for a certain amount of trouble is probably a good idea. Things could get messy as TPTW try desperately to hang on to control. Worrying about specifically what is going to happen where and when is probably a waste of time. Get in touch with your intuition and follow it. As Obiwan said, "trust your feelings".

[Jnana]

My take is that Ivan's initial work was based on a study of historical evidence for the possibility of a pole shift.

In the video I watched, Stein talks about historical evidence for magnetic pole shifts, and then talks about the effects of a geographic pole shift. I don't know whether this was deliberate deception or if the guy is simply unintelligent, but the two are very different.

The evidence of magnetic pole shifts can be found in the sea floor, and was used as evidence in establishing the theory of plate tectonics. The Atlantic sea floor spreads outward from the mid-atlantic ridge, and as the magma cools it retains the magnetic field that was present at that time. Magnetic pole shifts happen on average about every 250,000 years. So, there have been hundreds of magnetic pole shifts since the age of dinosaurs.

Evidence for geographic pole shifts is much more ambiguous. Because of continental drift, the continents have drifted around in relationship to the rotational axis of the earth, but this is not a catastrophic thing.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Jnana

I don't think I can answer that question. First of all, I don't buy into the 2012 mythology...

Is there a 26,000 year cycle that ends in 2012 at which time the earth, the sun, and the galactic center will align, causing unusual things to happen close in time to that year?

Originally Posted by Jnana

For the most part, established science and 2012 just don't mix...

Don't you think we all should constantly remind ourselves that we grew up being taught science in school and by the mainstream media, and that our own thinking about what is good science is shaped by this?

[Jnana]

Is there a 26,000 year cycle that ends in 2012 at which time the earth, the sun, and the galactic center will align, causing unusual things to happen close in time to that year?

My opinon: No. Crossing the galactic equator will have exactly the same effect as crossing the earth's equator in a ship: none (well, maybe there's a party). First of all, our solar system won't be aligned with the galactic equator at that time. In fact, it's darned near impossible to tell where that would be given that the galaxy is made of stars spread out across hundreds of thousand of light years, and they're all moving. Second of all, given the speeds and distances involved, one day, one year, or even one decade makes precious little difference in our alignment with the galactic equator. Third, the vertical period of motion as our solar system orbits the galaxy is not perfectly consistent as it depends on the gravitational attraction of all the neighboring stars which are also in motion.

Don't you think we all should constantly remind ourselves that we grew up being taught science in school and by the mainstream media, and that our own thinking about what is good science is shaped by this?

Certainly. The foundation of good science is honesty, especially when your observations don't match your theory. The way science is funded these days, especially in areas like health and medicine, contributes to bad science. Scientific dogma, especially in physics, can lead to such observations being ignored (e.g., electrogravitics and magnetogravitics). Having seen UFOs and experienced telepathy has definitely changed my view on scientific dogma.

That doesn't mean someone has the right to misrepresent what established science has to say and claim that they've just given you a scientific explanation, or to say wind coming off of bicycle wheels explains energy coming out of the galactic center in such a narrow beam that we will encounter it on a particular day.

Looking to conventional earth science for an explanation of a spiritual transformation will never give you the answers you seek. It's not astronomical effects, geological effects, or any other sort of physical effects that are the source of the awakening that's going on. Nap time is over.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Jnana

My opinon: No...

Thanks for forthright answers!