Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception?

Metaphor · 05-26-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

Phtha is banned!!!? What's going on here? Why?

What???

I thought we were having a civilised discussion?
I cannot see any reason for that in any of the posts above. Is there something going on in another thread we have missed? Or what? Could someone please clarify ASAP?

Karen · 05-26-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Metaphor

What???

I thought we were having a civilised discussion?
I cannot see any reason for that in any of the posts above. Is there something going on in another thread we have missed? Or what? Could someone please clarify ASAP?

Phtha resigned from the researcher team (he posted this to the forum) and due to a "back room" incident has a temporary ban until our only admin Gareth shows up to help. It has nothing to do with this thread. Please once again, I must ask your indulgence to remain calm and give us a day or two to sort it out - we are all volunteers in numerous time zones and there is sweet little instant resolution on any matter.

Ravens and Doves · 02-06-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Metaphor

What???

I thought we were having a civilised discussion?
I cannot see any reason for that in any of the posts above. Is there something going on in another thread we have missed? Or what? Could someone please clarify ASAP?

I was driving down the 101 freeway today and seeing a cop car in my rear-view, I had to change over to the "Avalonites Only" lane.

After merging to the left, I saw the car in front of me had a bumper sticker that read: "STOP ARGUMENTIVE VEGETARIAN THREADS - EAT YOURSELF"

Paul

morguana · 02-06-2010, 10:58 AM

i have read this thread, and dont believe for a minute that vegetarianism is linked to any illuminati deception, but an interesting hypothosis no less.

i do not eat meat/fish, our folks tried us with various meat products when we were toddlers, both my sister and i refused. so have been a veggy from the word go, however my children do eat white meat and fish, it is their choice so i am happy to cook meat for them. i am not squimish when it comes to killing and preping animals for consumption.......just do not like the texture of it in my mouth. i agree many veggy folk have some deficancy in nutients, but as long as one eats a well rounded and balenced diet then the over all health benifits of being a veggy is extreamly positive. i never worry about my weight, dont even own scales, and always listen to what my body is needing in tearms of nutients, manage to fight bugs using plants, herbs and spices. the only thing i find is that we eat a huge amount of food everyday, have to eat every couple of hours or so, but its healthy, organic, balenced and homemade.

m x

Sideshow Shaman · 02-06-2010, 05:50 PM

Yeah this subject is the ultimate agitation on most any site on the net. Generates an argument whenever it comes up... So, whatever, here are a couple thoughts,

It seems funny that people would point to deficiencies as a reason to eat meat. Because most the meat eaters I see look deficient as well.

Notice that there are two type of "diets", exclusionary and inclusionary. Focusing on the first is often required for people to leave behind unhealthy habits. Focusing conversations on exclusion can tend towards arguing though. Focusing on the inclusionary diets is more informative. For instance I am interested in eating foods high in RNA (which can be done with or without meat).

"There is no energy crisis, food crisis or environmental crisis.
There is only a crisis of ignorance." --- R. Buckminster Fuller

To be relevant, "There is no nutritional crisis. There is only a crisis of ignorance."

Earthian · 02-06-2010, 06:12 PM

Here is a poem that was one of a couple of things that made me quit eating pigs and cows although the poem is about consuming horses. I still have to learn to be complete vegetarian since I do eat chicken once in a while and fish.

The Last Breath - Alexandra Dolbenev
My owner loved me right to death,
He said he would until my last breath,
So why am I driven far away?
Did I do something wrong? Why can’t I stay,
The truck is crowded with many of me,
They don’t look too happy, I thought we were free?
I can smell the stench of fatality,
The men say, “But hey, this is reality,”
What are they doing, where are we going?
Will there be trees and winds a blowing?
The horses ears are back in fright,
They try to escape, a horrid sight,
Their hoofs get caught inside the wall,
Their legs break off, their blood will fall,
Please Oh what is going on?
Will I reach another dawn?
The truck drives up with many dead,
Where they await,
To be shocked in the head,
HELP! HELP! Doesn’t anybody care,
I thought somebody loved me, they would shoo away the scare!
AHHH…they shocked me,
I can’t move or even see,
The men stare cruelly into my eyes,
“It won’t hurt,”
These are all lies,
A rope pulls me upside down,
In these chains I am bound,
Why do they do this, what have I done wrong?
Why can’t I live, any long?
My last breath,
Before my death,
I remember the good times in the pasture,
This all happened, no more then last year,
She said she loved me, no matter how old,
I can never believe what I was told,
“You’ll soon be free, there is no pain,”
They don’t know it, they can’t feel it, they’re insane,
Want me for food?
Will I taste good?
I hope you choke on my meat,
And feel the pain of my last heart beat,
Why do they eat us, why not themselves?
I bet you they know that we’re going through hell,
So next time you eat us or kill us, look at the skies,
Our families are lost, because of the lies,
Can’t you see them or feel their cries?
How does it feel to be lost from your dears,
Does it bring memories does it bring tears?
The life of a horse, is worthwhile the life,
To finish it up oh why is there strife?
Don’t let it happen, and I’ll tell you how,
Sign a petition and help us NOW!

Kra · 02-06-2010, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earthian

The Last Breath - Alexandra Dolbenev
My owner loved me right to death,
He said he would until my last breath,
So why am I driven far away?
Did I do something wrong? Why can’t I stay,[mod snip of long quote in post above]

I can't believe people thought even for a sec that animals exist to be eaten. The illuminati are not trying to convince us to eat vegtables, if it were so... we wouldn't have all those comercials on TV about meat based food. This is not the conspiracy. They want us to eat meat... and one of the reasons is that it lowers our vibrational frequency.

bashi · 02-06-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kra

They want us to eat meat... and one of the reasons is that it lowers our vibrational frequency.

I think its a clever Psy-Ops to prevent people listening to their hearts.
I heard a lot of BS for being a veg. They said " you will not be able to get childen, because it affects the sperm." These guys are nuts! Look at billions of veg Indians.
But some are very clever: If you think you can escape a kind of TPTB brainwashing by intentionally eating meet, then welcome.

Oh, yes. You are sheeple...

.

02-06-2010, 10:58 AM	#4
morguana Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: sussex, uk Posts: 1,137	Re: Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception? i have read this thread, and dont believe for a minute that vegetarianism is linked to any illuminati deception, but an interesting hypothosis no less. i do not eat meat/fish, our folks tried us with various meat products when we were toddlers, both my sister and i refused. so have been a veggy from the word go, however my children do eat white meat and fish, it is their choice so i am happy to cook meat for them. i am not squimish when it comes to killing and preping animals for consumption.......just do not like the texture of it in my mouth. i agree many veggy folk have some deficancy in nutients, but as long as one eats a well rounded and balenced diet then the over all health benifits of being a veggy is extreamly positive. i never worry about my weight, dont even own scales, and always listen to what my body is needing in tearms of nutients, manage to fight bugs using plants, herbs and spices. the only thing i find is that we eat a huge amount of food everyday, have to eat every couple of hours or so, but its healthy, organic, balenced and homemade. m x __________________ better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace the way is not in the sky, the way is in the heart forum guidlines Avalon Chat

02-06-2010, 05:50 PM	#5
Sideshow Shaman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Manasota FL Posts: 114	Re: Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception? Yeah this subject is the ultimate agitation on most any site on the net. Generates an argument whenever it comes up... So, whatever, here are a couple thoughts, It seems funny that people would point to deficiencies as a reason to eat meat. Because most the meat eaters I see look deficient as well. Notice that there are two type of "diets", exclusionary and inclusionary. Focusing on the first is often required for people to leave behind unhealthy habits. Focusing conversations on exclusion can tend towards arguing though. Focusing on the inclusionary diets is more informative. For instance I am interested in eating foods high in RNA (which can be done with or without meat). "There is no energy crisis, food crisis or environmental crisis. There is only a crisis of ignorance." --- R. Buckminster Fuller To be relevant, "There is no nutritional crisis. There is only a crisis of ignorance." Last edited by Sideshow Shaman; 02-06-2010 at 08:51 PM.

02-06-2010, 06:12 PM	#6
Earthian Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: canada Posts: 54	Re: Is Vegan/Vegetarian an Illuminati Deception? Here is a poem that was one of a couple of things that made me quit eating pigs and cows although the poem is about consuming horses. I still have to learn to be complete vegetarian since I do eat chicken once in a while and fish. The Last Breath - Alexandra Dolbenev My owner loved me right to death, He said he would until my last breath, So why am I driven far away? Did I do something wrong? Why can’t I stay, The truck is crowded with many of me, They don’t look too happy, I thought we were free? I can smell the stench of fatality, The men say, “But hey, this is reality,” What are they doing, where are we going? Will there be trees and winds a blowing? The horses ears are back in fright, They try to escape, a horrid sight, Their hoofs get caught inside the wall, Their legs break off, their blood will fall, Please Oh what is going on? Will I reach another dawn? The truck drives up with many dead, Where they await, To be shocked in the head, HELP! HELP! Doesn’t anybody care, I thought somebody loved me, they would shoo away the scare! AHHH…they shocked me, I can’t move or even see, The men stare cruelly into my eyes, “It won’t hurt,” These are all lies, A rope pulls me upside down, In these chains I am bound, Why do they do this, what have I done wrong? Why can’t I live, any long? My last breath, Before my death, I remember the good times in the pasture, This all happened, no more then last year, She said she loved me, no matter how old, I can never believe what I was told, “You’ll soon be free, there is no pain,” They don’t know it, they can’t feel it, they’re insane, Want me for food? Will I taste good? I hope you choke on my meat, And feel the pain of my last heart beat, Why do they eat us, why not themselves? I bet you they know that we’re going through hell, So next time you eat us or kill us, look at the skies, Our families are lost, because of the lies, Can’t you see them or feel their cries? How does it feel to be lost from your dears, Does it bring memories does it bring tears? The life of a horse, is worthwhile the life, To finish it up oh why is there strife? Don’t let it happen, and I’ll tell you how, Sign a petition and help us NOW!