Illuminati Reveal Crazy Apocalyptic Agenda:hidden hand dissection.

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Phtha

My opinion, Theres lots of positive stuff to take from both the hidden hand posts and the Ra materials.
I'm sure we have all heard the saying: "There is nothing to fear besides fear itself". I'm still grasping the depth of this profound concept, but I am sure it is true.

Reality really is nothing but vibration. Hitler and the Nazis proved it in the past, and many others throughout history right up to the US army, are able to make mass amounts of people commit atrocities, simply by creating strong vibrations of thought and feelings in the ether that ensnarl those that do not understand the mind, or that identify themselves with their minds. Usually its done with strong fear vibrations. I'm sure many of the Nazi soldiers would never have guessed that they could do some of the things that did before they were caught up in the vibrations created by Hitler and co.

It's the same thing with hidden_hand, the illuminati and others, they are all ensarled with thought vibrations and unable to see beyond.

There is limitless possibilities for all of us, as long as we keep our inner self sovereign from attacks. I truly believe that nothing can harm the sovereign mind, body, and spirit. So really there is nothing to fear if you don't allow yourself to experience fear.
And hidden_hand was right, all the iniquity we see today is because of ourselves. Sure the illuminati or whoever else created the evil vibrations in our ether, which we recieve, but we are the ones who are doing the evil for them. We have the power to simply say "no thanks."

thanks milk and honey, ....yes, i think the RA material and Wilcock, and wingmakers' material is just to mislead all of us in accepting the "good" of what the illuminati want to do w us.... very slick indeed, but i just don't buy it...to justify pure evil!

it's time to just ignore, not to pay ANY attention to THEM and be NON-COMPLIANT.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by dolphin

thanks milk and honey, ....yes, i think the RA material and Wilcock, and wingmakers' material is just to mislead all of us in accepting the "good" of what the illuminati want to do w us.... very slick indeed, but i just don't buy it...to justify pure evil!

it's time to just ignore, not to pay ANY attention to THEM and be NON-COMPLIANT.

Did you by any chance read the Ra material - or any part of it in fact? If you did, then which part of it do you have an issue with? Which part of it tells you to accept things and be compliant?

Compliance is exactly what the HH material doesn't recommend. Nor does Mr Wilcock or anything written in the Law of One.

Your advice to ignore things sounds more like the spectre of the illuminati that you are projecting on the material you referred to. This sends me very mixed messages.

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[NeoEmc2]

Originally Posted by Steve_G

A lot of good responses in this thread.

Just to be clear, I am not attacking the Ra material in any way, only the way in which Hidden Hand has attempted to use it to justify the attrocities the Illuminati have perpetrated throughout known history.

The best way to sell a lie is to hide it within truth, and that's what I feel is happening here.

I wonder if Hidden Hand actually believes what he's saying or whether he's operating from a script. I tend to think he genuinely believes it, but all that indicates to me is just how effective brainwashing from birth can be.

Moreover, I think the Illuminati NEED to believe it: the desperate belief they are working for the greater good is the only psychological defense they have against the human consequence of their actions. A lot of people have stated that the elite don't have the same qualities of empathy and compassion that the rest of us have but I don't believe that; I believe deep down they are fully aware of what they have become and are acreaming in horror.

They need our love and compassion, even as we stand against them.

I agree with this.

I think anyone who believes in the hidden hand stuff needs to rethink it because it is actually meant to confuse you. Hidden hand has gotten the Law of One material and twisted it around to make you believe their nonsense. If you really want to be blown away by some amazing information just read the Law of One. You will be astounded by the awesome information Ra provides that is NEVER negative in any way and no once in the entire series of five books is there any mention of hidden hand.

Hidden hand is a trickster and you are all falling for it. Educate yourself better with the Ra material and you will be in a better place of understanding.

Peace

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by NeoEmc2

I agree with this.

I think anyone who believes in the hidden hand stuff needs to rethink it because it is actually meant to confuse you. Hidden hand has gotten the Law of One material and twisted it around to make you believe their nonsense. If you really want to be blown away by some amazing information just read the Law of One. You will be astounded by the awesome information Ra provides that is NEVER negative in any way and no once in the entire series of five books is there any mention of hidden hand.

Hidden hand is a trickster and you are all falling for it. Educate yourself better with the Ra material and you will be in a better place of understanding.

Peace

Hi Neo - which part is HH twisting around? I must be missing it. Appears to correlate near precisely. The Law is One. All paths lead to Oneness. Negatively polarized entities of higher densities assist the negative harvest while higher density Positively polarized entities assist the positive harvest. Polarization is the name of the game. The benefit of polarization is catalyst. The greater the polarization or catalyst, the greater the choices available for individuals and the greater the spiritual learning/development (which is the whole point). Provision of negative catalyst is equal to positive catalyst in this system (with regard to benefit, necessity and value of service) and the negative path is just as valid as the positive path for returning to oneness (although certainly not the path that works for most of us... myself included).

There are a lot of attackers in this thread. I would caution you all to be careful, for it is obvious you are passing judgment on something you do not understand. That's ego choosing sides due to perception of threat, which is a fear reaction. Fear is the mind killer (so says Frank Herbert) and shuts down your energy centers. Love and wisdom come from understanding. Therefore it is important to make a patient effort to understand and see the love in everything - for there is only love. It's the divine plan.

Peace.

P.S. Let me add this link from LLResearch, which is session #67/Book 3 Law of One which may assist in understanding some of these concepts of polarization and service: LINK HERE

[Carol]

I did listen to David channeling the RA material and all I have to say is that it is no different then many others who channeled, including myself many years ago, and I don't trust any of it.

If he were to say this is being channeled from my higher consciousness, then yes. But to attribute it to another disembodied entity and to turn over ones consciousness to something else is just plain dangerous. Even Raylyn of Rumer Mill News thought she was channeling in higher beings messages for years only to discover later she had been a victim of miltiary mind control experiments.

Channeling may start out okay - but there are deeper questions which must be addressed and those pertain to individual soverignty and the role human consciousness must play in its own spiritual development. Another question that pops to mind is ego... and how many channelers are just channeling unconscious material from an ego driven desire to be special. Is that information to be trusted?

Perhaps because I'm ancient and have seen this for so many years close up and personal my opinion may not fit with others here. However, if someone tells me channeling is involved - my interest just turns off.

[Jonathon]

Actually Carol, Ra IS David's higher self. He has mentioned this many times.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Jonathon

Actually Carol, Ra IS David's higher self. He has mentioned this many times.

Well to be precise, a individial part of the overall social memory complex at any rate.

You'd might be surprised at how many of Ra there are on the planet right now

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[Phtha]

Well we are on the subject of the Ra materials, this is one quote that caught my eye right of the bat, from the first session:

'Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.'

The law of one is great and I have high respect for it, but I am of light and love, they just feel to right, at least here on this 3rd D. And light and love seems to be the only feelings I project that are able to take my awareness away to other spaces at times. I wonder who are these beings of Love and Light that Ra mentioned that are not of, any guesses?

BTw for those interested, I'm uploading all the Ra materials in audio on my youtube channel. Have a listen if you like.

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Well to be precise, a individial part of the overall social memory complex at any rate.

You'd might be surprised at how many of Ra there are on the planet right now

A..

Quite right Anchor - thanks for clarifying.

Ptha - so interesting that you are converting the Law of One to audio. I just thought about doing that today myself! Now I don't have to!

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Carol

I did listen to David channeling the RA material and all I have to say is that it is no different then many others who channeled, including myself many years ago, and I don't trust any of it.

If he were to say this is being channeled from my higher consciousness, then yes. But to attribute it to another disembodied entity and to turn over ones consciousness to something else is just plain dangerous. Even Raylyn of Rumer Mill News thought she was channeling in higher beings messages for years only to discover later she had been a victim of miltiary mind control experiments.

Channeling may start out okay - but there are deeper questions which must be addressed and those pertain to individual soverignty and the role human consciousness must play in its own spiritual development. Another question that pops to mind is ego... and how many channelers are just channeling unconscious material from an ego driven desire to be special. Is that information to be trusted?

Perhaps because I'm ancient and have seen this for so many years close up and personal my opinion may not fit with others here. However, if someone tells me channeling is involved - my interest just turns off.

carol, i couldn't agree w you more...great points. for one, i don't believe as wilcock says he's the reincarnation of cayce...so if he's misleading people on such a HUGE statement, then i can't give any credence to the law of one or him channeling RA...he's misguided, and some ego issues are involved. as carol put it, i don't trust his claims.

[Jonathon]

Originally Posted by dolphin

carol, i couldn't agree w you more...great points. for one, i don't believe as wilcock says he's the reincarnation of cayce...so if he's misleading people on such a HUGE statement, then i can't give any credence to the law of one or him channeling RA...he's misguided, and some ego issues are involved. as carol put it, i don't trust his claims.

Hi Dolphin!

You don't believe that he is the reincarnation of Cayce, but you do not know for sure. You also don't know that he is misleading, misguided or whether he has ego issues, for these are attached to the affirmative of the 1st statement. His work and the Law of One material stand on their own merits and do not require anyone's particular belief to be of great value. Really a lot of fantastic work that you are putting a wall around due to some assumption that you have made that could very well be wrong. If that's OK with you, then of course it is your choice, however I would urge you to open your mind and explore it. You won't regret it.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." Siddhartha Guatama (The Buddha)

[NeoEmc2]

Originally Posted by Jonathon

Hi Neo - which part is HH twisting around?I must be missing it. Appears to correlate near precisely. The Law is One.

The entire part about "lucifer" being the one who has been controlling us, causing harm, etc etc. in order to provide catalyst for spiritual growth and eventually lead us to ascension. None of that is mentioned in the law of one material, NONE OF IT. If you have read it you would agree.

There is no "lucifer" or devil or whatever you want to call it. We are all one and therefore this battle in duality has been with ourselves, not some entity called lucifer. Lucifer sounds a lot like bible-speak to me.

All paths lead to Oneness. Negatively polarized entities of higher densities assist the negative harvest while higher density Positively polarized entities assist the positive harvest. Polarization is the name of the game. The benefit of polarization is catalyst. The greater the polarization or catalyst, the greater the choices available for individuals and the greater the spiritual learning/development (which is the whole point). Provision of negative catalyst is equal to positive catalyst in this system (with regard to benefit, necessity and value of service) and the negative path is just as valid as the positive path for returning to oneness (although certainly not the path that works for most of us... myself included).

This part above I definitely agree with you on. Well said.

The thing that bothers me about this message is the part about a "crazy apocalyptic agenda and harvest of souls" and the Illuminati being behind the whole thing. YES there will be harvest of souls, but this is happening regardless of whether you are service to self or others. The illuminati is NOT behind this. This is happening to the entire planet because it's moving from third density to fourth and there is no stopping it. The Illuminati has no control over that.

For the love of all that is good people, read the law of one material and educate yourself so you can understand what this post is actually about and what it's not.